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Evan Stahl or evansnakes

Seriously?

Yes, you sent me $500, on Oct 8, the date of Tinley Park. I mentioned that, so how is that lying?

Unfortuatly, I see you're just as immature as you used to be. Otherwise why would it be necessary for the condescension (my name isn't Donnie) and bring up my personal life? Classy as always. I guess we know why you carry a gun.

While I hesitate wasting any more of my time with you, I'll refute the rest of your nonsense later.
 
you got exactly what you asked for, you came onto a public venue for all to see and insulted my character, my business and everything else about me. You personally attacked me. I will always defend myself when attacked and that was the root of the entire gun deal in the first place.

It can also be verified with the police that I have never owned a 9mm and that I have undergone extensive training and classes on how to use hand guns in order to obtain my permits and satisy any requirements with the police in nearly 40 states of this country including MO.

You posted bs about the gun story at the st louis show that you heard third hand. You were not there. So now you pay the piper. In your post if you read your own spew it says that I was "supposed to pay you the other $500 before tinley" but you then go onto say that I never gave you anything. So I posted proof of your lies and showed everyone reading this thread what kind of person you are now that you have backe dinto the truth on hal a dozen lies or so. How about you admit that you got paid to build my website and you did not do it out of friendship. You solicited me to build a site for me, that is how we met. You charged me for it. I paid you. How about posting the truth.
 
It would be interesting to know your side of this gun issue Evan.
 
I cant say very much because I am filing a suite partially concerning that incident, that is the only reason that you have not heard more about it. I was alone, 9 hours from home, my life was threatened loudly and clearly by a person with a group of people with him in a public place and I made sure to inform them that I had a gun and would use it to defend myself. Donovan was not there, the public was not there. you are letting donovan change the subject Joe. he was not there
 
I dont usually post here nut I have to defend a friend. Snakepunk is one of the most honest people I know. Have known his dad for 40 years. His Trust is what got him into this problem. He trusted Mr Stahl, being a business man and part of the snake community, would keep his word. And paid dearly for it. When asked about payment Mr Stahl accused him of giving him several empty deli cups and a bunch of sick and kinked corn snakes. Well... I can testify to that, I was the one that inspected and packed every one of those snakes. Every cup hav a very active and healthy corn snake in it. Ive not been in the hobby as long as a lot of you but i can tell the difference between a sick, kinked snake and a healthy one. I can also spot a crooked business man And to add to this, several snakes were mine. So I lost money, too. You can trust everything snakepunk has said here is the truth. He would not do anything here or anywhere else to tear down the hobby.
 
"I can testify to that, I was the one that inspected and packed every one of those snakes. Every cup hav a very active and healthy corn snake in it."

there is just ONE HUGE problem with your statement, I showed don the empty cups and kinked snakes when he handed me the bag, at the show. So the snakes were handed to me, I stood right there at the table accross from him going through and looking at them and showed him your empty cups and kinked spines. He was embarrased and apologized, as I posted earlier he blamed it on you saying you helped pack them and that it was your fault. But it does not matter he has admitted to that and apologized for it he just never took anything off his total price for it.
 
Another problem... There was no bag. It was a huge box. Remember? I packed it. I stick with my story. No missing, sick or kinked snakes.
 
I cant say very much because I am filing a suite partially concerning that incident, that is the only reason that you have not heard more about it. I was alone, 9 hours from home, my life was threatened loudly and clearly by a person with a group of people with him in a public place and I made sure to inform them that I had a gun and would use it to defend myself. Donovan was not there, the public was not there. you are letting donovan change the subject Joe. he was not there

Donovan, this sounds like a reasonable scenario to what transpired with the gun.

I do have to say, Donovan, your version is very different from Evan's. Already you have been caught in several mistruths. ie no garters & $500 payment. I suppose you weren't counting on Evan to be able to defend himself here, as he was previously banned.
 
I suppose you weren't counting on Evan to be able to defend himself here, as he was previously banned.

Not taking sides in this discussion, but to provide some factual background, I actually rescinded Evan's ban, and quite a few others, back on 10-23-2011.
 
Not taking sides in this discussion, but to provide some factual background, I actually rescinded Evan's ban, and quite a few others, back on 10-23-2011.

I noticed you had said you had rescinded the ban a while back, but Donovan didn't know that when he made his post about Evan. That is what I meant by my comment. I didn't mean to imply anything else.
 
I cant say very much because I am filing a suite partially concerning that incident, that is the only reason that you have not heard more about it. I was alone, 9 hours from home, my life was threatened loudly and clearly by a person with a group of people with him in a public place and I made sure to inform them that I had a gun and would use it to defend myself. Donovan was not there, the public was not there. you are letting donovan change the subject Joe. he was not there

Not letting Donavon change subject at all. Just wanted to hear your side since it was brought up. Thanks for explaining. ;)
 
I will make a few points regarding some of Evan’s latest obfuscations and then I’m done. This is an absolute waste of my precious time that could be applied towards much more productive things. There is no use trying to explain things to someone who is irrational. If someone else has any questions for me, I’ll try my best to answer them in a timely manner.

I do believe I still have the files for evansbugs.com on my macbook. It was similar to his current site, but with a red color scheme and a tarantula logo. I was also working on a third site where he was going to rent out his animals as props for horror movies. Just because he never had me upload them, doesn’t mean they weren’t created.

We also never met by me asking him if I could build a website for him (I’ve never even finished my own). That occurred much later. We had met after both of us vending in St. Louis and started talking about the band Rancid having played in the city the night before. We have similar taste in music, so we became friends.

It was Evan who contacted me wanting to buy corns and nothing was mentioned about “net 30 days”. Maybe this is a common practice, but I was unaware of it at the time. Also, why didn’t he want me taking my animals back after I found out different? “They’re just cornsnakes” after all. And if I acted liked a child, what about his public hissy fit where started breaking things. He also gave me no money that day, which is why I “failed to mention it”.

As Rommie testified, there was no bag involved at the Indianapolis show in question. I keep very detailed records of each and every animals genetics, and label their cups accordingly. Most of my corns came from Rich Z, so I’m discovering hidden hets and producing odd ball stuff every year.

Perhaps Evan means the bag at Tinley the year before, when we put 100 normals in a bag for a buyer from Petco/Petsmart. That was almost a year prior to this Indianapolis show. He is confusing events. I distinctly remember that because right before I left, I sat for 4 hours straight, popping all those hatchlings (and many more) only to have them later mixed.

While I don’t deny Evan has the right to personally value ball pythons more than corns, I happen to feel quite the opposite, as do many others. He knows this. Why else would he want them?

I don’t remember ever saying there were no checkered garters. I was planning on returning them to him. They’re cool snakes, but not exactly hard to come by. I had enough corn projects to keep me busy. It is worth noting he has well over-inflated the garters market value, but then again they aren’t cornsnakes, so they must be worth a little.

Yes, we had talked about making arrangements to get me paid, but that’s all it was, just talk. My animals weren’t doing poorly, but I did skip breeding this year. I just moved into a 5 bedroom place with 2 baths and a basement in another town over an hour away from where I work, so I’ve been busy. As far me being “unemployed and lazy”, I’m typing this out from my office where I’m the art director for large graphic design company. I will not discuss my personal life here or anywhere online, as attacks about that are just about as low as you can go, and he went there.

“Extortion or coercion by threats”. Wouldn’t threatening to sue Rich, Patrick, and/or myself fall under that description? At the very least, the personal threats about us meeting at show? Well, I guess I don’t have to worry about in St. Louis now.

Does Mr. Stahl really want to be known for being the guy who, if someone reports a negative experience with him, will sue you? He may have been around a little longer than me, but even I know that any business which operates with that type of strategy won’t last very long. He’ll quickly go from flipping snakes to flipping burgers. Talk about shooting himself in the foot, which brings me to my next topic.


I have witnessed first hand his carelessness with firearms. I’m guessing in his training he missed the lesson about not treating them like a toy. So given that fact in addition to his obnoxious personality, short temper, and his shady business dealing with myself, I certainly find the claim of him being in danger from others somewhat reasonable.

I swear that man has missed his true calling. With his ability to change the subject, shift blame, and outright lie, his talents could have made him much more money had he gone in to politics instead of herpetoculture.

Whether or not anyone chooses to believe me is totally up to them. I’ve laid it all out the best of my ability. My goal isn’t to hurt Evan’s business. He can do that all on his own.
 
Very eloquent, Donovan.

Both parties bring up good points.

It would seem that Evan, thinks the debt is paid as you have the garters ... if you aren't satisfied weigh that, you will have to work something out with him on that issue.

As I don't know either one of you, I cannot comment on anyones character or honesty. There is too much going on in this failed business / friendship that has gone awry to comment.

You know the saying ... there is always three sides to any arguement ... your side, his side and the truth.
Which could be a combination of both sides. There is too many players in different aspects of this dispute, which muddies the water.

The one thing that both parties agree on is the snakes. While I don't know the value of corns or garters, this may be a wash as long as Donovan is in possession of the garter snakes.
 
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