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Evan Stahl or evansnakes

It was definitely wrong for Evan to send out a substitute without notifying you, and as I said, I don't agree with that. Also, mites are inexusable. I would want some type of remedy to this situation.

That's where the problem lies. You came here angry and unhinged with no intention of seeking any type of compensation or remedy. You did so prior to contacting Evan. When Evan offered a possible solution you refused....your sole purpose here is revenge because you feel you have been wronged. You lose serious credibility points with me for that.

Also, there is no way for any of us to know how old your animal is next to the one you just received. I would suggest taking a pic of the bee on a scale so that readers can see exactly how small she is. I'll also be the first "idiot" (as you so eloquently put it) to ask for pics of mites on the actual snake and not just in the tub. Mites have been known to hitch-hike in bags of bedding. Did you use the same bedding for your new animal as you have been using for the rest of your collection, or was it a new bag?

Sorry for the doubt, but the vindictive nature of your posts requires that such questions be asked.



1ST off, i never called you an idiot, and im sorry you interpreted it that way, thats not what i meant.

2ND NO, i have used the same bedding for YEARS, never changed it once, and i filled her tub with the bad ive been using for my others. they are all clean of mites, never had any.

and as for putting her on a scale, i dont have a grams scale so unless i take a comparrison pic of a few of my snakes and her and something that you all know the size of like a dollar bill? and as for mites on her we picked a bunch off put some on paper and soaked her in warm water until we could get to the store today, we found some in the tub which is where you said about the bedding, and i covered that, so its not the bedding, before we spary her down and everything else ill try and take a pic of some on her but my camera is not of the expensive kind and to zoom in that far with out it getting blurry is quite difficult, but i will try.

and as for the last im not here for revenge, far from it, im not that type of person, and neway im sure my one little statemnet isnt gunna drive him out of business .. i just wanted to let other people to know how it ended and to ask questions when buying no matter what, i know i definitely want to know the exact snake im getting and her exact health conditions before i throw down money.
 
There is really not much he can do as far as the mites other than paypal you the $25 for a can of Prevent-a-mite. As far as the amount of feedings and her age, if she is over 2 months it is very possible that she has had 12 meals being feed every 5 days. I have a cinny het pied male around 2 months old and maybe 10 meals of the top of my head and he is under 100 grams, comparing her to your other snake is useless as all snakes will grow at different rates regardless of how well they feed. I have 2 adult females both born march of '08 from 2 different breeders and they both feed on the same day consistantly from day 1 and 1 is around 1700 grams and the other just about 1000 just to use as an example on how differently snakes can put on weight and both have been vet checked and are both 100% healthy. I would treat for mites immediatly and keep the bee and your other female in a seperate room from the rest of your collection as mites can travel 12' per an hour and reproduce very quickly in high numbers and it will not take long to infest your entire collection. Just as a precautionary measure I would clean and spray all tubs and enclosures with PAM (prevent-a-mite) just to be safe and replace all substrate.

Hope you get her cleared up of the mites and she thrives for you.

Jeff Wyatt


i know all snakes grow differntly, i know that. but i was just using an example. thank you for say youhope she thrives tho, i appreciate it, and i hope she does too, and as for p-a-m, im going to grab some now.
 
1ST off, i never called you an idiot, and im sorry you interpreted it that way, thats not what i meant.
That was a reference to your prior generalization here:

now for all you idiots who are gunna say oh well maybe its your snakes that gave her mites, ugh no. none of my snakes ever had any kind of bugs near them, and how would that be possible when she wasnt near any of my other snakes?
As for how that would be possible, see the bold area below. It is possible.
2ND NO, i have used the same bedding for YEARS, never changed it once, and i filled her tub with the bad ive been using for my others. they are all clean of mites, never had any.


and as for putting her on a scale, i dont have a grams scale so unless i take a comparrison pic of a few of my snakes and her and something that you all know the size of like a dollar bill? and as for mites on her we picked a bunch off put some on paper and soaked her in warm water until we could get to the store today, we found some in the tub which is where you said about the bedding, and i covered that, so its not the bedding, before we spary her down and everything else ill try and take a pic of some on her but my camera is not of the expensive kind and to zoom in that far with out it getting blurry is quite difficult, but i will try.
To get a decent close up shot, use the macro (flower) setting most cameras have. Make sure you don't use the zoom lens, but, rather get up close with the camera on this setting. It's worked well for me. Also, photographing her next to a bill would be a good size reference.

and as for the last im not here for revenge, far from it, im not that type of person, and neway im sure my one little statemnet isnt gunna drive him out of business .. i just wanted to let other people to know how it ended and to ask questions when buying no matter what, i know i definitely want to know the exact snake im getting and her exact health conditions before i throw down money.
I disagree. You didn't offer an account of your experience.....least of all after you had given him a chance to make things right. You came here with guns blazing because you were pi$$ed. That's just the way it is. There are more tactful ways of letting the public know of poor business practices.

In any case, best wishes for your new bee. Make sure to read and follow the directions on the P.A.M.....it can be harmful if snakes are exposed to it before it is fully dry. Good luck.
 
thank you, i do agree i came here guns blazing because yes i was mad i paid for a snake that isnt what we agreed upon, but thats that, ya know whatever, theres nothing i can do, however i am still extremely mad that shes so small, i took her to a guy whom his father and he have been breeding for 30 years and there usually the only ones i go to, but i wanted a bee and they would have bees until next year, i didnt want to wait and thats my problem, but as soon as he saw her he said shes a hatchling, like we suspected and i understand they all grow at different rates, but if she was 2 months old she'd be bigger, but if she was two months old and didnt eat then theres no way she ate over a dozen times, we had to force feed her because she wouldnt take a meal, there was nothing in her stomach. we sparyed her tub with the pam and waited 20 mintues for it to dry shes in there now and hopefully everything works out and shes okay, but i do apologize for coming here guns blazing you have to understand i was extremely pi$$ed at being lied to, being shipped the wrong snake, being lied to again, and having her be so small and coming with mites. and i didnt mean you persay an idiot you have to understand the type of people i mean, i didnt mean someone who asked to see a pic of the mites, i meant someone who once i posted a pic of the mites saying something like 'oh well it could just be pencil marks on paper' ... something like that, it wasnt intended the way i made it seem, i have a tendency to do that as you can see, but its not what i meant, ill upload the other comparison shots of her with a bill and a 2 & 3 mth. old.
 
I don't think it's Evan who is the bad guy here...

Should I post a copy of the threatening email you sent to Evan? Or did you just forget to mention that part?

There's much more to this than Ashley is sharing.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how someone "unknown" is allowed to come on here and publicly bad-mouth a guy (who has been in this business professionally for over 20 years) that isn't even allowed to post his defense!
 
With all due respect, Donovan, (and, as the starter of this thread, I am hardly "against" Evan), Evan has been banned from this site. Posting things on his behalf would be a bad idea.
 
"a bad idea"?

With all due respect, Donovan, (and, as the starter of this thread, I am hardly "against" Evan), Evan has been banned from this site. Posting things on his behalf would be a bad idea.
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First of all, why is posting things on Evan's behalf "a bad idea"? Evan didn't ask me to come to his defense. But as a good friend of his, and as someone who knows that there is much more to this story than has been mentioned, I thought it was necessary.

Second, I hardy consider it fair for someone to tell lies about another person on a website where the other person isn't allowed to respond.

And finally, the "reason" Evan is banned is just childish. He and Rich had a disagreement, so Rich banned him.
 
And finally, the "reason" Evan is banned is just childish. He and Rich had a disagreement, so Rich banned him.

Calling it a "disagreement" really doesn't do the situation justice, I think..

Actually the thread that caused Evan to get banned is here -> http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128806

You can make your own decision about whether or not the banning was justified or not. But it's all there for anyone interested in that sort of reading material.
 
Should I post a copy of the threatening email you sent to Evan? Or did you just forget to mention that part?

There's much more to this than Ashley is sharing.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how someone "unknown" is allowed to come on here and publicly bad-mouth a guy (who has been in this business professionally for over 20 years) that isn't even allowed to post his defense!

first ff, i never said a threatening word to evan, i was asleep when all of that was said, my friend danny is the one who said all of that, and none of it was a threat, he went halves with her with the snake so he has a right to pissed too. No one is going against evan, all im saying is everythign that happened between evan and I, not danny and evan, go ahead and post it, it has nothing to do with me, if i said any of those things to evan i wouldnt be on hear saying $hit if i was threatening him. and you have no idea wtf your talking about, did you get a hatchling bee who is super skinny with mites? who was supposed to be a brighter completely different snake? no. i didnt think so. so once again, NO ONE is going against evan, most of the ppl on here have had good deals with him, so i dont know where you got that from.
 
and 2nd where the hell do you get off saying im lieing, im sorry but i would hope someone would have something better to do with their time than come to a forum and make up lies about something of this nature let alone anything. he was to sell me something he didnt and misrepresentated the snake he was selling me? how is that right? he got my money and i got something that was NOT discussed until after i received the animal, he didnt even bother to tell me he was sending a different snake, i dont care who you are (not you), you dont send someone a snake that isnt the one that was paid for, and yes he did offer to have me send her back and refund my money, but after danny and him went back and forth immaturely arguing, why would i send her back? and if she came to me as the condition she is in, im gunna keep her and give her a great life, not send her back when she came to me like this. ive had to soak the poor thing multiple times and spray her tub with provent-a-mite and its just ridiculous, it should have never been this way. i understand your his friend, but how the hell are you gunna come on here and tell me im a liar? you can see in the pic he sent me and the pic i took its a completely different snake, i mean i took pics of her next to a bill and you can see her size, he stated she was fed over a dozen meals? theres no way! she is to tiny, multiple people who deal with pythons and even my breeder says she looks a tiny bit older than a fresh hatching, not over 2 months old as evan told me. so before you come in here and call me a liar get your facts straight because i didnt lie about one single thing i said, what need would i have to do that? what kind of gratifacation would i get from lieing about him? as i said previously, one person isnt gunna drive him oughta business which is not what i intented in the 1st place, all i wanted was people to know to be careful when ordering, and not just from him anyone, evan b!tched b/c i asked questions? well wtf? im sorry but if im ordering off someone i dont know and sending them almost 600 dollars, i wanna know what im getting. & again as far as threatening, ill post the emails here myself, you can tell the difference between the way i talk and the way danny talks, i emailed evan once after i got the snake and that was it, i was aggravated and sick and layed down to take a nap. im sure youll find that oh so convienent but i dont care its the honest to god truth, if i mouthed off to evan id own up to it, im not that type of person who talks but cant walk.


and as for who wanted to see her next to the bill ill upload that with in a few minutes.
 
hope these links work.

shes on a 6 qt. tub top and my 1.0 pastel & 0.1 normal are on a 16 qt. tub top also comparred with a dollar bill, my female is just a bit over 2 mths. and my pastel is almost 4 mths.

that right there is an example of how they all grow differntly, but unless you dont feed a hatchling will it then look like that if its 2 mth.s old, i KNOW they all grow at very different rates but all my babies that have hatched and all ive seen from my breeder and all ive bought, ive never seen one like this, and if she has had over a dozen meals, she should take a meal easily and be a bit bigger than she is, but no, she is small and we had to force feed her just so she had something in her stomach, and i dont like having to do that. i dont care about how she isnt the one i paid for, shes a sweetie & just awesome, i am happy i have her because i know i can give her a great happy life, if she thrives and is alright. im the type of person who loves my snakes more than anything, i cant have kids so im the type of person who finds comfort in animals, especially snakes, because stupid ppl that are afraid of snakes and the people that say dumb thins along the lines of "oh snakes are slimy & theyre mean and they can't love" things like that are so unbelievebly true its funny! my snakes give me kisses on the nose all the time and are very affectionate, i dont know where i was going with tihs but what im trying to say is as long as she thrives she'll have an amazing life with us, and i love my animals because i consider them my children since i cant have a baby. I wouldnt come on here and post these things unless i was sincere about it, i wouldnt lie because what would someone possibley gain form doing so?

let me know if the links dont work?

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/z0mbiie1386/022.jpg?t=1284089411

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af335/z0mbiie1386/020.jpg?t=1284089411
 
Just have to point out.. you just got this snake in.. not saying Evan wasn't wrong for misrepresenting her.. that's definately not the same snake but.. I must ask.. what's up with your quarantine procedure? If I just get an animal in.. I check it over.. take pictures of it ALONE and not let it near any of the rest of my collection for well over 2 months at least!

I can understand completely your frustration. Evan did offer a full refund.. he made a mistake.. Everyone does every once in awhile. Perhaps he sent off the one that was meant for you on accident. He can't be here to defend himself and it does sound like there is more to this story.
 
Just have to point out.. you just got this snake in.. not saying Evan wasn't wrong for misrepresenting her.. that's definately not the same snake but.. I must ask.. what's up with your quarantine procedure? If I just get an animal in.. I check it over.. take pictures of it ALONE and not let it near any of the rest of my collection for well over 2 months at least!

I can understand completely your frustration. Evan did offer a full refund.. he made a mistake.. Everyone does every once in awhile. Perhaps he sent off the one that was meant for you on accident. He can't be here to defend himself and it does sound like there is more to this story.

well if it were that way id agree but he said it in an email i can send to if you'd like that he sold my snake and thought id appreciate this one, those were his exact words, and as for him not being able to defend himself, i said it previously, i DID NOT know he was banned from this site, i just joined. i didnt know. and as for the quarentine, yea my bad whatever i needed a comparison shot, and it was before the mites, i had her check by my vet that day and she had no infections or anything so i put her a few inches from my female a took a shot, i did not know she had mites at the time, the comparison with my pastel and my normal female were taken after she was treated for the mites, and yea it was my bad for that, i can agree to that and know i was in the wrong and not thinking. and if you think there is more to the story than why dont you ask me? you want to see the emails where he said he sold my snake and thought id appreciate this one? i posted the pic of the one i was promised and its obvious this one isnt that one, but whatever that doesnt matter now that i found the mites and saw how tiny she was, all i cared about was getting rid of the few mites she had and getting a meal in her belly to assure she'd be okay. and im not trying to sound b!tchy but you can think what you want about my so-called story, but its the truth, why in the world would i lie? thats ridiculous. i said it before and ill say it again, i wanted people to know how bad my expirience with evan turned out even thought it was fine in the beginning. and how when i tried to buy the new 0.1 bee he had just got in about two weeks before i sent my final payment he said she was sold, but after i referred my cousin alyssa to him he told her he had that bee and she could have that bee and a spider for $660 shipped. that was unnecessary. all he had to do was tell me no, or something. not lie. i mean idont care if people think im lieing because again thats ridiculous i have no reason to lie about this, i posted some emails evan sent while fighting with the other person who paid with me danny, if you want to see all ask, i have nothing to hide, i never fought with evan myself, after i received the bee i sent him 1 email and that was that, and then everything started between danny and evan with was un-called for as well it should have just been left where it was and that should have been that, but obviously it wasnt. there was no need for him to reply to evan and argue that way, but it happened. theres nothing i can do about that, i havent spoke to evan since the last email i sent after i received her. and as again for quarentine people have different time lengths and different measures taken, and as i said i had her check that morning after the fight between dan & evan and i had my breeder look at her too, i took the pics of her next to my female after, but that was before we spotted the mites. i should have went about it very differently and there is no excuse for that, and as for the bill comparrison, i kept them seperated due to the mites, i already knew she was disease free, im waiting for a few more results that had to be sent out but he cleared her of anything that could be transfered by air, parasite wise though im waiting on the results. but again i should have gone about things differently and i cant take that back. but as far as all of this goes, evan should have asked me before sending a different snake and there is no excuses for that, and as for things missing from my story? in ALL of my posts i never lied, unless i misinterpreted my words by mistake, i am dyslexic, so plz let me know if i did. but for the lies, give me one good reason why i would lie about all of this? because to me that seems ridiculous, and that is not directed at solely you Catherine, to anyone, not just the people speaking in this thread. i apologize to everyone, coming in here guns ablaze, but you have to understand i was beyond mad that she was so small and not what evan had promised, especially when i found the mites! and i completely understand i should have calmed down a bit before i posted my original post, i understand that. but as far as all of this, as long as she is okay and thrives, ill be the happiest person, especially for her sake, because she is adorable and a major sweetheart, this whole deal was just a deal gone wrong, it happens everyday and i should not have bought off of him, or maybe did more precise research, idk, its my bad.
 
Sorry.. I guess I missed the E-mail where he stated that he thought you would appreciate this one... My bad. As far as everything else.. You might want to consider using punctuation and seperating your paragraphs because It's really hard to read the way you are writing right now.

It's a shame that Evan did this.. He has some awesome animals and I'm sorry you got stuck in the mud on this one. Good Luck and hope it all goes well for you.
 
thank you, and if i offended you in any way with the words please dont take it that this goes for everyone, i will remember to seperate my words my dyslexia makes me right odd sometimes, i apologize if my words come out bad, i dont mean it. i thank you for what you said as well catherine, i appreciate it. i will remember next time not to let my emotions get the best of me, so i am able to think straight before taking action. thank you.
 
Your welcome... It's just a lot easier to make your point when you are calm and thinking straight rather then trying to type and think while you are angry and I'm glad you can admit that. You would have to understand why people are suspicious as Evan has had so many wonderful deals and then this comes to light. He's probably had other bad deals/ mistakes but those people just haven't come forward with them. Take care and hope that baby does well for you.
 
Please post the email in this thread. Thanks.

I didn't see that e-mail either. Just the one where he said that he sent her a reduced pattern bee. I also see where Ashleigh mentions that he said it, but I'd like to see it in Evan's words, too.
 
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