Evan Stahl or evansnakes

[JudyC]

I didn't see that e-mail either. Just the one where he said that he sent her a reduced pattern bee. I also see where Ashleigh mentions that he said it, but I'd like to see it in Evan's words, too.

Awful lot of spots on that bee for a "reduced pattern."

...just sayin'.

 

[z0mbiie_ap0calypse]

Last e-mail sent by me to evan after i received her (below)

from Ashleigh Tiley <[email protected]>
to [email protected]
date Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:51 AM
subject Re: Message about: Spider,spinner,spinner blast,pastel,lemon blast,orange ghost,orange ghost pastel,killer b & more!




WE GOT HER TODAY, NOT WHAT WAS PICTURED. THANKS FOR THE 'BUSINESS'.

btw i refered my cousin alyssa to you, b/c she was looking for a 0.1 bee, i saw the emails where you told her you had the female bee that you told me you sold. that was unnecessary.

thanx ....


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-(this is 3 emails sent in a row after i sent him my email which is listed above, i was obviously very saracastic and i have admited and will again i should have calmed before go into an ager induced pychotic rage letting my emotions type for me.)-


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1st email sent from evan in reply to what i emailed him above


from [email protected]
to [email protected]
date Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM
subject Re: Message about: Spider,spinner,spinner blast,pastel,lemon blast,orange ghost,orange ghost pastel,killer b & more!
mailed-by aol.com

Sep 8 (3 days ago)

I am not sure what you are talking about. I had two female bees here, both sold, I sent you the one with dramatic reduced pattern which is much more preferable because the other customer did not care which they got. I thought you would appreciate it. As for the one currently on the site, it is sold pending payment. I have not been paid yet. If you would like to send the animal back to me please do so and I will refund your monies. I was extremely patient with every demand/question/payment you had and I think you are being unreasonably dramatic with me.


-(this is me talking now and not in the email, he said as you can see he sent this bee because he sold the one i was supposed to get to a customer who didnt care what he got and then evan sent me this one thinking id appreciate it because of its reduced pattern, and remember this email was sent after i got the snake, not once in all of the times we spoke did he disclose i would be getting a differnt bee then what i had paid for.
which is all fine and dandy now that im calm, but as ive said her being so small and coming with some extra friends isnt okay.)-



-----Original Message-----
From: Ashleigh Tiley <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>

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& as far as my emails, (he states above ^ ) he can say what he wants but i wanted to make sure i knew what i was getting.
he again says something about my payment plan which he never objected to when i first emailed him in the start, if he didnt want a payment plan he should have said no to start with, not accept and then later say he was patient with my payments .. .what was there to be patient about? it was paid off before the deadline and i only once sent less than $100.00. him mocking that was unessecary.
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2ND email sent from evan after i posted my rageful thoughts on here

from [email protected]
to [email protected]
date Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:05 AM
subject Re: Message about: Spider,spinner,spinner blast,pastel,lemon blast,orange ghost,orange ghost pastel,killer b & more!


Sep 8 (3 days ago)

I really appreciate you poisting a pile of lies about me on fauna without even talking to me first, Send me my snake back and I will refund your money. I sent you a big, fat, reduced pattern bee. Not sure why that is such a problem for you along with your bs about the lessers and the other bee, they are sold. People paid for the lessers, they have been shipped. The bee is being held pending payment for one of my good friends. I am expecting more in, like I told you when you emailed me, that is why I told your cousin what I did. I never told your cousin that exact animal was for sale to her, just that I would have a female bee for her. For you to say that I do not care about the animals based on what? You do not know a thing about. I work on my animals every day and if I did not love them I would not have a house full of them. Cause yeah, I really get rich selling ball pythons to people for $500 over 2 months. Please Ashley. Your post was unfair and I do not have any desire for you to be stuck with such a horrible animal. Send it back to me, I will keep it or sell it to somebody that appreciates it.

-(this is me talking now and not in the email, he said as you can see he sent this bee because he sold the one i was supposed to get to a customer who didnt care what he got and then evan sent me this one thinking id appreciate it bewcuase of its reduced pattern, and remember this email was sent after i got the snake not once in all of the times we spoke did he disclose i would be getting a differnt bee then what i had paid for. which is all fine and dandy now that im calm, but as ive said her being so small and coming with some extra friends isnt okay.)-

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashleigh Tiley <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>
- Show quoted text -
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3rd email from evan after he read the post


from [email protected]
to [email protected]
date Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM
subject Re: Message about: Spider,spinner,spinner blast,pastel,lemon blast,orange ghost,orange ghost pastel,killer b & more!
mailed-by aol.com

hide details Sep 8 (3 days ago)

"SO OVERALL HE SOLD ME A COMPLETELY DIFFERNT SNAKE THAT IS SHIT BROWNISH GRAY AND NOT EVEN A CLOSE HINT TO YELLOW! AND SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE IS FRESH OUT OF AN EGG, HASNT SHED AND HASNT EVEN BEEN FED. SHE IS EXTREMELY SMALL."

(this is me speaking now and not in the email, as you can see above is something i said, it was in the first post right after we recieved the bee when i was red mad, and i have admited i should have calmed down before i let my emotions take over and type for me, but you can see i NEVER called his snakes $h*t, i said she was a $h*t-greyish-brown and not close to the yellow he said in one of his posts on kingsnake when he said the 'pics didnt do their colors justice'.
I never meant for it to sound liek i said his snakes were $h*t, id never say that about anyones snakes, how am i gunna call someones snakes that when it isnt even the reps fault? i said that about the description of color on her back, which was over dramatic in an anger induced pychotic episode in which i should have calmed first. and below is the rest fo the email from him.)



this really shows how you lied and that you have no idea what you are talking about. the snake is over 2 months old, has eaten a dozen times, is in shed and is not small at all. You just have no idea what you are talking about. Send me back my snake and I will rerfund your money. You call my animals "shit"? Post on fauna how I answered and your 35-40 emails. How I put up with you demanding immediate shipping after I waited months to get paid. Put pictures of the skinny, new born ball python up with its weight on fauan so people on there can ridicule you and tell you that you have no clue.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ashleigh Tiley <[email protected]>
To: evansnakes <[email protected]>

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and i said before he sits her and continues to say she is big and fat, NO! .. i understand they all grow differntly, but unless this babie is a hatchling which is what she appears, unless she never ate ... either way it would be a lie no matter how you look at it, he's either lieing about her age, or her feedings. we had to force feed her b/c she would NOT take live, pre-killed or f/t, mice or rats and if she was in better shape i would have waited a few days and tried again, but with her being the way she is she had to get something in her, she would barely move and was sluggish, i wasnt going to stand to see her that way. im already in love and ill be damned if anytihng happens to her.



And for the 'demanding immediete shipping' after it took me "months" to pay him, ive already said this in other posts, he and i agreed on 60 days as a deadline for a payment plan,

25% the 1st payment which was $125 and then whatever from then on, the least i paid him at one time was $90.00 and it was once, the other payments were never lower than $100.00 and it took me exactly 42 days to pay it off, im sorry but i have a normal 9-5 and in this economy, i dont make much money, i dont have the cash to pay everything up front unfortunately, unless i save which isnt one of my strongest points there was no need for him to make fun of the fact when he said about







and as he says 'he put up with me' after waiting months to get paid? thats pretty bold coming from someone whom i paid to recieve one of their animals and he sent it to me mite ridden and tiny ... i never was once rude to him i was extremely nice even though it took him 4 weeks to send me an actual picture of my snake, always making an excuse, i understand hes busy with shows and things but it doesnt take long to snap a pic and upload and send, i was patient and never once was rude until recently when i recieved her, even after i asked my questions and he gave me blatant replys, some one worded. basicallly i was completely agreeable and nice to him in every e--mail until the sarcastic one listed above, and then all hell borke loose as him and danny had some imature words between the two of them, which again my fault i should have been up and making sure dan didnt do anything regretable knowing he was so mad.

but the whole point to this was that you can see where he said he sold the other snake.



and as for the whole thing with the OTHER female bee, not the one i was supposed to get the other one i asked about that was on his website, she was the same price. i refered my cousin to him not long before i asked about this particular bee, he told me it was sold and he'd soon have more.
my cousin e-mailed him a few times (i have the emails as proof) asking him about spiders and a female bee, she asked what bee's and spiders he had and he said the spiders and female bee he had were in the avialble section of his website, which low and behold, there was the bee he told me he sold, all because i asked if i could have her instead of the one pictured that he sent me, which i do admit was bold but she seemed to have a better pattern and was the same price so ifugred it wouldnt hurt to ask and when he said she was sold that was the end ofthat until my cousin told me he said she was available.

he states in the one email to me that he never told my cousin that bee was available, he told her that all animals on his available part of his website is what he had and for the female bee and spider it would be $660 shipped. maybe something got lost in translation but thats what he said, i can post the emails if anyone would liek to see them.

and again i apologize for ssuuucchhh long posts, its just i know some people can interpret things the wrong way when i write,

( because i know i say something when i mean to say something else)

so i have to explain myself and most of my actions as well as things he had said.

 

[z0mbiie_ap0calypse]

and since i received an email a little bit ago, let me please point out i said live, pre-killed and f/t was we tried to feed her before force feeding her, i know you are supposed to wait until they are comfortable after a few days, i know that, but after the trip to my breeders and my vet, he said she had nothing in her stomach, and to try to get her to eat, so i did. she is not as sluggish as she was and is doing a bit better after some hydration and a meal.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Ashleigh, who is your vet? I'm not aware of any decent exotics vets here in Pennsylvania. I travel all the way into Virginia for mine. I'm wondering what he did to decide she has "nothing in her stomach" and why he thought it would be ok to force feed the poor snake when she had just arrived...Giving her no time to adjust to her new surroundings...Thus likely causing this snake to take longer to adjust and start eating on her own for you...

 

[EctoThermz]

I picked up a beautiful jaguar carpet and well started female pin stripe ball python from Evan 2 weeks ago. Never had a problem with either, as a matter of fact i dont think Evan and I have ever had an issue and I've purchased a lot of animals from him. I know that Evan will work with people and doesnt try to pass off sick missrepresented on to his customers. Makes me wonder where this person who joined the site a week ago is coming from...

 

[snakechaarmer]

Agreed, the few times I have spoken with Evan he has been nothing but up front, honest, and nice. Whatever this zombie betty is saying truly sounds like a giant, confused mess of lies and hesaid-shesaid. I'd like to see ads, and original pictures. I'd also like to see emails that havent been edited with comments. How about some screen caps without editing?

 

[deborahbroadus]

I lost interest in the issue. It irks me when a breeder says "SEND THE SNAKE BACK FOR A REFUND" and the buyer wants to continue complaining because they want to keep the snake.

The picture looks blurry, but while it doesn't appear to be a "reduced" pattern, it is quite yellow from what I can see.

In my opinion, the OP needs to send him the snake back, get her money back and shop elsewhere, I am sure Evan will thank her.

 

[chamgirl99471]

I agree.. If she's not happy with the snake then why keep it..? Evan is willing to take the animal back and refund the OP so why not take that route? He posted here BEFORE he mentioned anything to Evan. Are you expecting Evan to give you a partial refund because I don't think that's happening... It's either send the animal back for a full refund or take your lumps and take care of the snake you are so determined to keep.

 

[chamgirl99471]

**She posted here BEFORE She** I need to start proofreading.. LOL

 

[The BoidSmith]

It could have been sent back before force-feeding, now if Evan decides not to accept it is within his right. Force feeding a snake can alter its future demeanor, including eating on its own.

 

[chamgirl99471]

Very True Dan... I didn't even think of that.

 

[deborahbroadus]

It could have been sent back before force-feeding, now if Evan decides not to accept it is within his right. Force feeding a snake can alter its future demeanor, including eating on its own.

I concur. Given all that's happened...my opinion is that she has no further case. He seems to have sent the wrong animal (he has not denied that this is his animal)...it was not a very recognizable reduced pattern (the mite issue is questionable given the lack of quarantine). However, he had offered a refund before we found out that the animal had been force fed, that does alter things.

Since the OP chose the route she took, imo, it's on her.

This is only my opinion...others may see it differently as is their right.

 

[z0mbiie_ap0calypse]

Agreed, the few times I have spoken with Evan he has been nothing but up front, honest, and nice. Whatever this zombie betty is saying truly sounds like a giant, confused mess of lies and hesaid-shesaid. I'd like to see ads, and original pictures. I'd also like to see emails that havent been edited with comments. How about some screen caps without editing?

if you want to see pictures they are in here, look through the pages. not to sound like a b!t%h but, just because you had upfront and nice chit chats with evan doesnt mean anything, for me that is, i cant say this enought apparently but even though you all had good deals with him, how does that make it possible for him to have a bad deal? i just dont get it. ive taken my responsibility for not doing enough research and coming in guns blazing, but all evan did was spew more lies. and yea i understand its a hesaid-shesaid situation, and im obviously the only one whos ever had a bad deal with him or atleast come forward, so im the bad guy i guess. even though i posted pics of the original snake i was supposed to receive and the one i currently have, i took pics of her mites as best i could and even video-taped one i got off of her and onto my finger, but how are ya'll gunna tell they aint on her? right. its a bit hard to get a snap of a mite on a snake who has black on her and especially when your camera is crap.

I agree.. If she's not happy with the snake then why keep it..? Evan is willing to take the animal back and refund the OP so why not take that route? He posted here BEFORE he mentioned anything to Evan. Are you expecting Evan to give you a partial refund because I don't think that's happening... It's either send the animal back for a full refund or take your lumps and take care of the snake you are so determined to keep.

im sorry but can you point out where i said i was sending her back? because i nkow i never said that, im sorry but if you got a super small snake in the mail who wasnt the snake you ordered and had mties, would you send it back? i have a little more of a heart than to send her back when she came to me like this in the first place....

I picked up a beautiful jaguar carpet and well started female pin stripe ball python from Evan 2 weeks ago. Never had a problem with either, as a matter of fact i dont think Evan and I have ever had an issue and I've purchased a lot of animals from him. I know that Evan will work with people and doesnt try to pass off sick missrepresented on to his customers. Makes me wonder where this person who joined the site a week ago is coming from...

and as for that, well then maybe you could tell me where this small little thing came from wtih mites? ive tried to explain everything to ya'll and obviously you are all to enamored with the fact most had good deals with him, so i guess that makes it completely impossible and un-truthful for someone to have abad deal with him, makes sense. im not trying to sound rude once again, but when i get called a liar multiple times im going to defend what ive been saying. im not here to cause drama, im not trying to give evan grief, i never knew he was banned from this site when i joined, all i wanted was for people to know to ask questions, make sure you get exactly what you pay for.

corey and leigh you guys can sit her and say im a liar and post your good deals with evan but how does that change what happened? as i said below give me one good reason id lie about this crap, please. because it sounds really ridiculous to me. ive spent my entire life around pythons, even though im not a probreeder, im not some newbie looking for a new pet snake so i can pimp out its cage and make me look cool ... however i am going to sit here and defend myself when i get called a liar because i know that to be untrue. i have better things to do in my life than sit on a computer, look for guys to order snakes from, pay them 100's of dollars and then get the snake and cause a huge fight over it being the wrong snake, or having a problem ... yea sounds fun but im good. im not that type of person and i really dont care who believes me.



and deborah, if you could please show me which picture is blurry? because i wouldn't upload one if it were, im not complaining about a d&nm thing, im happy with her, however im peeved that this whoel deal went the way it did, im sorry but when i pay for something i expect and would hope the breeder would send me what i paid for with out selling the snake i paid for and then sending me one he thought ot have a reduced pattern because he thought id appreciate that even though on all of the multiple occasions we spoke, he not once told me he sold my snake and was sending another, we spoke days prior to me receiving her and he never once told me. so if that is right then i must be crazy. and again as for the refund, i said it to the girl above, if you got a snake in that condition, would you send it back? i wouldnt and i didnt, i never planned on sending her back, if she came to me this way, why in the world would i send her back?

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you guys can honestly say whatever you want, you can post im lieng and post your 'good' deals with evan, but its not going to change what happened, i dont care who says what because i know what happened, just because ya'll had good deals with evan, so does that mean he's a god and cant have a bad one? my point in this entire situation was never to slander evans good name, as i said a 100x i researched his name before buying her and saw nothign but good things, but when MY bumble bee arrived lets see, it WASNT the right snkae we had agreed upon, thats pretty obvious from the pictures and she came with a few extra freinds whom which i had to go and buy p-a-m for. theyre gone now as far as i can see we've check her over daily, examined her scales to make sure none have been imbedded. now please can some one please tell me why i would make this up?

and as for my vet, its my uncle ... he has a practice in phili, as far as i still nkow, and worked @ the phili zoo for a bit. so i took her to see him who was luckily @ my grams visiting b/c if he were in philly i wouldnt have been able to drive down all the way with her, we'd of had to wait a week or two for her to become settled after everything. so that is why i see a vet in pa when there are no good ones around here .....

so if someone could tell me why i would lie about all of this, id love to know of a reason a person would take the time out of their day to do something like that ... and as for everyone talking about the refund, give me one reason why i would send back an animal that came to me so so small and with mites? im sorry i dont know about ya'll, but if i see an animal like that im going to keep it, and as for force feeding, i explained that, we didnt SHOVE it down her throat, we got her to open her mouth put the meal right in front she put her mouth on it and we held her and held the meal by the tail till she got it in far enough to finish on her own, i already said i wasnt sending her back BEFORE we fed her, so even if that does alter his 'refund', i dont care because i wasnt sending her back in the first place, im sorry but id rather pay over $500 and get a snake sent to me with all of the problems of this situation, then send it back, knowing i can give her a great home.

you all can sit here and say im questionable, but it doesnt matter because he sent me a snake with mites, a snake that wasnt the age he said she was and was the wrong snake altogether .. i understand where ya'll are coming from, but you have to understand where im coming from too, it works both ways. it took me days to reply to all of this because i had work, im not avoiding the issue as some may think, and as for my case against evan, were not in court, it was a deal gone bad. i paid for something & got something else, whatever, thast a risk i took and its my bad, but i got an adorable little sweetheart out of the deal.

and as for her 'reduced pattern'? not extremely reduced as you can see and her yellow, as someone said, if you saw her in person, she is not yellow, the only yellow is some specks on her sides. her top is more of a faded yellow like the color most bees turn as they age.

and again as for the mites, & my questionable quarentine, say what you want because i know that im not the type of perosn who cant take care of their animals to the point where they get mites, i dont have a huge collection, i clean constantly and have NEVER had a problem with mites with these snake, EVER. i can understand why you'd say that, but please again someone tell me why someone would make all fo this up? if someone did its honestly ridiculous, immature, stupid and about a 100 other words i can think of.

and again as for the feeding, helping her to eat one time is not going to alter her demeanor or feeding habits in the future, doing multiple times, yes. power feeding her multiple times, yes, but not one time. as i said above force feed was the wrong word to use as i have never had to do that to any of my snakes, i explained exactly what we did, and didnt do. we never shoved it in her mouth and forced it into her throat. we had to get sometihng in her stomach, im sorry but when i see a baby who is skinny and super sluggish, im gonig to try and get her to eat, im not going to waste my time letting her settle when she was already fine and sociable, she wasnt timid at all. id rather have something in her stomach than wait a week and see her die.

and as for the whole refund thing again, i stopped talking to evan the day i received the bee, i sent him one last email and had no further plans of contacting him. he is the one who creeped across the posts and had to email me asap ... and like i said 100x you all had your good deals wtih him, good for you, thats a good ting, im not being sarcastic either ... but my deal went bad, and then he made fun of the fact i had to make payments? he out-rgiht lied multiple times ... hmm ... even tho we agreed on payments and at anytime before i sent the m.o's he could have rejected the payment plan, but he was all for it as he said he accepts payment plans as long as theyre paid off in 60 days, i paid it off in 42 although he likes to say he waited months for payment. i have all the receipts, sending dates, received dates, i wrote everything down so id know when everything was recieved and sent was accounted for.

so if you all want to sit here and say i have no case and im a liar thats fine with me, i know im not lieing & i know what i got.
and if i sound like a b!t%h, dont take it that way, im not trying to sound offensive, i am just defending this baby who came to me the way she did, if thats such a terrbile thing. well then i honestly dont know what this world has come to.

again thanks to the few for support and helping me too re-examine my first statement and explain in detail, and as for the ones calling me a liar, if there is anyway i can help you with proof, please let me know, because im not a liar, i take my reptiles beyond serious and care for them 1,000x more.

 

[dturner100]

I'm not gonna say that this is the case here as I haven't read into this case enough, but I have seen on a few occasions where the majority of a sellers customers have had nothing but good experiences so it is taken as unbelievable when somebody comes forward with an unpleasant experience.

 

[paselie]

Just purchased a super pastel from mr. Stahl. Excellent transaction, and beautiful snake as well.

Thanks, E!

 

[snakepunk]

"Bad Guy" would be too generous

Let me be the first to admit I was wrong. Although I had defended Evan here (at his request), I now warn others about him. He has since refused to pay me for animals I sold him and has also been banned from the St. Louis expos for good reason.

 

[JColt]

He has since refused to pay me for animals I sold him and has also been banned from the St. Louis expos for good reason.

What has he been banned for?

 

[snakepunk]

Pulled a gun out, loaded it, chambered a round.

 

[Steve Hamm]

Pulled a gun out, loaded it, chambered a round.

What was his reason for doing this?

 

[hhmoore]

And you witnessed this?