pics are at bottom. but i was so mad before i just kept typing here is a more detailed set of words and emails, i know a lot of people have dealt with him and i heard mostly good things, its my fault i should have never bought from him, its my bad. oh but wait now theres more than just the wrong snake being sent with him telling me the wrong age;
im sorry its all so long but as i said i was very angry before and just typed away, here is everything plus pictures from today (& a new problem that was just noticed after she was near my 2 1/2 mth. 0.1 normal to take the 2 pictures below, i only noticed the '
NEW' problem a few hours after letting her get comfy) and the bottom picture is the pic he sent me.
this is just a, i dont even have words for what im feeling right f'n now ... alright so he sent me a whole different snake, we got that covered, he lied, i hope its even a female ... and to top it all off we were just examining her after we let her get comfy ... guess what! she has f'n mites. wonderful.
now for all you idiots who are gunna say oh well maybe its your snakes that gave her mites, ugh no. none of my snakes ever had any kind of bugs near them, and how would that be possible when she wasnt near any of my other snakes? except for my 2 1/2 mth. old female, well she better not have friggin mites now i'll tell you that, and also for those who are gunna say maybe she got the mites from that snake? ugh, again no. they never touched each other, and even if they did, again none of my snakes have or have ever had any type of bug let alone mites. god talk about quarentine ... this is f'n wonderful thanks a lot evan, god i got over the fact he lied about which snake i was getting but this ... uh uh ... this is beyond BS, if this snake dies, or i find out it has any other problems, physically health wise besides the fact shes super skinny, im gunna do more than flip out. this is ridiculous.
here are a few emails and explanations on my part and what i have expirienced so ya'll no im not lieing, i may have sounded a bit to dramatic earlier but now that i found the mites, there is no excuse for this.
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and i dont care who bought who off of him, certain snakes come as they are and stay the same as they grow, but its a little different with a bee, who changes over time, sometimes if their bred right they obviously keep their yellow, sometimes they turn from yellow to grey, but no ... the snake i got is grey, theres no changing.
i emailed evan and told him its not the snake in the picture and that it isn't what he told us, and here is what he said;
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I really appreciate you poisting a pile of lies about me on fauna without even talking to me first, Send me my snake back and I will refund your money. I sent you a big, fat, reduced pattern bee. Not sure why that is such a problem for you along with your bs about the lessers and the other bee, they are sold. People paid for the lessers, they have been shipped. The bee is being held pending payment for one of my good friends. I am expecting more in, like I told you when you emailed me, that is why I told your cousin what I did. I never told your cousin that exact animal was for sale to her, just that I would have a female bee for her. For you to say that I do not care about the animals based on what? You do not know a thing about. I work on my animals every day and if I did not love them I would not have a house full of them. Cause yeah, I really get rich selling ball pythons to people for $500 over 2 months. Please Ashley. Your post was unfair and I do not have any desire for you to be stuck with such a horrible animal. Send it back to me, I will keep it or sell it to somebody that appreciates it.
(i really love the part where hes says shes big and fat!) haha. i know ppl paid for the lessers, it was the fact that i told him i was sending the money out monday, which was a day later, but he wanted all the money upfront and i would have had to send two payments to pay for it, which would have taken a week and a half. so that was whatever, but the bee, telling me you dont have it and then telling my cousin you did have her, and then when i call you out you say you never told her that!? the proof is in the conversation below! like, this whole deal could have gone so much better if no one assumed and he just told me he sold my snake and was sending a differnt one, and the fact that is has MITES! ...
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From: Ashleigh Tiley <
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Hi there, I have bumble bees and the male fire still. I take payments through paypal or by postal money orders. I ship overnight via fedex, which costs $35-40. Payment plans are no problem, I ask for 25% down and then the balance to be paid in 30-60 days. I dont have any pics right now but can get you some. Evan
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To: evansnakes <
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Sent: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:14 am
"ME"-'The above message is one of the 1st few he sent when we were discussing payment and other things, he said he had NO problem doing the 60 day payment plan with money orders sent every monday, the only thing that happen was i had to skip one payment to pay my rent, and i had the snake paid off in 42 days, not months as he says in one email, it took only 6 wks.
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the lesser males and bee female have been sold, I will have more soon
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"ME"-'the above message was sent to me after i asked him if i could have the female in the pic on his website with the better colors instead of the one in the picture he sent me because he had multiple females when we first started talking and never gave me the choice to pick what i was paying for, it took him weeks to even send me the picture. i referred my cousin to him before all of this stupid drama happened, she wanted a female bee as well and he told her he had the one on his website after he told me he sold her.
& here is the convo he had with my cousin; (only after he said that he never told her she could purchase the bee, when ther only bee he said he had was on his website, which is the exact one he told me he sold.)'
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alyssa hall <
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date Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:05 PM
subject ball python
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Sep 3 (4 days ago)
hi there, i was looking at your website and saw that you had lessers, bee's, spiders and clowns? i was wondering if any were still available? im looking for 0.1 spiders and bees and 1.0 clowns and lessers.
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Sep 3 (4 days ago)
Hi there, the lessers have been sold, everything else is still available. Evan
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Sep 3 (4 days ago)
okay cool, im looking for a female bee and a female spider mainly, are those available?
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Sep 4 (4 days ago)
yes, I have one female bee and a couple female spiders right now, I also have a pair of reduced pattern clowns available. E
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Sep 4 (4 days ago)
okay thats good, do you happen to have pics of the bee and spiders?
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if you go to my site
www.evanstahl.com on the available page they have individual pics there
"ME"- 'Above, thats exactly what he told alyssa because i was there during every email, and the only female bee on his site was the one he told me he sold. so, obviously that wasnt the truth, or he just said that and was going to send a whole different snake as with me.'
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Sep 5 (2 days ago)
oh their gorgeous, im more so leaning towards a female bee and male spider. how much would that be with shipping included.
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Sep 6 (2 days ago)
it would be $660 shipped
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the convo below he talks about how i emailed him 30-40 times and he answered all, yea with one single word he answered. who cares if someone emails you 30 times, id want to be sure about who i was buying from and what i was getting when i had no idea who the person was and only knew their rep by a few ppl who posted reviews on him. and he states he answered all of my emails after i 'demanded' he immediately ship her after he waited months to get paid, it was 6 weeks. as we planned, im sorry but i never knew 42 days was 'months'. and i never demanded anything from him, im sure no one wants to see the rest of the messages but if you want proof i got it, all i ever asked was when she would be sent because i sent him the final payment last monday i believe and he didnt get it till thursday, he was only shipping mondays and wednesdays that week, plus the following monday was labor day so i had to wait another week, i never had a problem with that, i never demanded anything.
-he goes on to say that it is the snake from the picture he sent which, no it definitely isn't, but then he sends another email that states he sold the snake in the pic and sent us another one as he thought thats what i would want because her pattern is reduced... with out asking even telling or asking me ever, until now.
he then goes to say how people will ridcule me, i can care less, you all had your own expiriences with him as i could see from the research i did before sending anything or talking to him.
if your going to sit her and talk shit on me because i posted all of this well go ahead trust me it wont bother me a damn bit, im not some moron who just started messing with snakes, i grew up around them and have had my own for about 8 years, im no top expert, but im no moron either.
and in the below convo also, he states the snake is over 2 months old. i'll attach a pic of my 0.1 normal whom is just 2 1/2 mts. old and obviously she has just eaten as you can see the buldge in her belly, but shes a picky eater too, and privy to her feeding 3 days ago, she hadnt eaten for 3-4 weeks, so theres no way this snake is 2 months old, the size this bee is now is how big my 0.1 normal was a few days out of her egg.
and i NEVER said his animals were 'sh*t' that was interpreted from me saying 'sh*t greyish borwn', not that they were shit, she is adorable as hell and id never send her back no matter what, its just the fact that he lied about everything.- and unless i messed my words up i never said he didnt love his animals persay, if thats what it says then my dislexia must be showing because its not what i meant, what i meant to say was that i cant stant people who breed for the money and not the love of the animals, i was stating a fact about me, not an opinon on him personally. i mean i havent dealt with a large number of breeders but i know most of them the ones who take their time, their snakes dont come to your house bringing mites along! this is, no words can describe, its bullshit.
and for all of you who say 'well their just mites, so buy _________ and get rid of them' ...
i dont about any of you but mites ARE NOT a common thing in my world they are a huge friggin deal espcially when the snake is so skinny and wont eat, what i said at the top of this page at the end of the 1st sentence still stands, i wont just flip out if anything happens to this snake and my $535 goes down the drain, its not about the money i spent its about the poor little snake sitting in her tub with mites all over her. thats what pisses me off the most.
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this really shows how you lied and that you have no idea what you are talking about. the snake is over 2 months old, has eaten a dozen times, is in shed and is not small at all. You just have no idea what you are talking about. Send me back my snake and I will rerfund your money. You call my animals "sh*t"? Post on fauna how I answered and your 35-40 emails. How I put up with you demanding immediate shipping after I waited months to get paid. Put pictures of the skinny, new born ball python up with its weight on fauan so people on there can ridicule you and tell you that you have no clue.
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I really appreciate you poisting a pile of lies about me on fauna without even talking to me first, Send me my snake back and I will refund your money. I sent you a big, fat, reduced pattern bee. Not sure why that is such a problem for you along with your bs about the lessers and the other bee, they are sold. People paid for the lessers, they have been shipped. The bee is being held pending payment for one of my good friends. I am expecting more in, like I told you when you emailed me, that is why I told your cousin what I did. I never told your cousin that exact animal was for sale to her, just that I would have a female bee for her. For you to say that I do not care about the animals based on what? You do not know a thing about. I work on my animals every day and if I did not love them I would not have a house full of them. Cause yeah, I really get rich selling ball pythons to people for $500 over 2 months. Please Ashley. Your post was unfair and I do not have any desire for you to be stuck with such a horrible animal. Send it back to me, I will keep it or sell it to somebody that appreciates it.
"ME"-'he goes on to say in another long email to send the snake back that he will keep it or sell it to someone who appreciates it, 1st off i already love this little girl and id never send her back no matter what she looked like because im not a person who cares too much about looks, its like going on a blind date and the blind date telling you over emails and the phone or sending a pic detailing she was 5'11", bleach blonde, 24 and 130 lbs. and then going to meet your date and their 5'4", black hair, 42 & 200 lbs. just as an example, the only thing i was p%ssed about was the fact he lied about who she was and what she looked like, and now the mites thing? wtf!'-
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I posted because i was pissed and wanted other people to know because its not good business when you lie about the snake at hand, everyone else says hes a great guy and it appeared that was at first for me too, until i got the reptile. all he had to do was say he sold her, not assume id appreciate a completely different snake, a snake that wont eat, well i have no clue to when she was last fed because he didnt say, all he said was that shes had dozens of meals but obviously one look at her says otherwise, the pics i took of the mites are blurry and who knows some can say there god damn marker marks for all i know knowing how ignorant ppl can be, ill try and video tape it but who knows, all i know is that i have to quarentine every last one of my snakes out of pure fear and procaution, spend even more money on shit to rid her of the mites, and she will not eat, he says shes had over dozens of meals, well he also states shes two months old, how could she have had over 12 meals when she is supposedly only 8 wks. old? you can take one look at her compared to my 2 1/2 mth. old and tell thats bull.
I DO give him that her pattern is reduced, but if he would have just told me that he sold the snake i bought and was sending another im sure we could have worked something out, but no, he assumed and said he thought id appreciate it, i dont see why when he goes to say i sent tons of demanding emails, i WAS NOT demanding at all, not once, i had questions as every person does who is spending almost $600 on a snake from someone i dont know and ive never bought from.
from someone who says one thing and goes to tell a completely different person something completely different.
i made the posts sound more dramatic as i do have a tendency to do, but nothing i said was a lie, she isnt the color he said, not even the same snake, ill be very surprised if its even a 0.1, the person talking to evan during all this retarted fighting was a close friend and asked if it was a female, never got an answer even though he replied to other statements.
if anyone knows of the best cure for mites, please let me know, ive never had this problem in the 8 years ive been dealing with bp's and boas ...
its my bad i should have never bought off him and now this tiny little baby and i are paying the price for ignorance on both parts of the party ...
i hope the pictures show.
(this is as close and the only time the bee was near any one of my snakes, and as i said before, none of my animals have ever had bugs let alone mites in the 8 years ive been collecting.)
the pics above are of the snake i recieved in the mail today &
this picture below is of the snake he said he was sending.
and as i said somewhere in the above paragraphs, my 0.1 normal to the left ofthe bee is 2 1/2 mths old, she was about the size of the bee when she hatched, and i did say notice the buldge in her belly b/c she has obviously just eaten but that would make that large of a differnce in the 3 days since she fed, plus shes an extremely picky eater and the feeding 3 days ago was the first time shes eaten in weeks.
.I have 2 pastels that I bought from him and raised up to breed.They look great and have eaten like retics since the day i got them.He got me started back in this business.
