I have heard good things in the past about this food, anyone here use it? I found a vendor that will sell it for $120/shipped for 100 lbs and that is a substantial saving from Innova, and it seems like it's a good food. What do y'all think?
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Flint River Ranch?
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dragonflyreptiles
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Ill take a lok at it, I personally use Proplan at $22 for 50lbs (might be 55 the bag is kinda worn in that area) and mix it with Diamond lamb and Rice its about $18 for 55 pounds at our local farm and feed supply. Then I add some other goodies 
Which food of theirs were you looking at so I can compare ingredients?
Which food of theirs were you looking at so I can compare ingredients?
I am looking into using their kibble with chicken meal. I looked into the ingredients and they use chicken meal as their #1 ingredient, I like that.
Wendy, you did go through your Diamond food and none is on recall?
Wendy, you did go through your Diamond food and none is on recall?
dragonflyreptiles
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We didn't get our pitt until after the recall was over so I got lucky on that one.
Proplan Selects has Turkey as the main ingredient, Diamond Lamb and Rice has Lamb then Lamb meal as the top 2 ingredients.
Proplan Selects has Turkey as the main ingredient, Diamond Lamb and Rice has Lamb then Lamb meal as the top 2 ingredients.
Cat_72
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I've heard very good things about the Flint River foods, but I personally can't justify spending that much money for a food when there are very comparable, good quality foods out there for much less.
The owners of Flint River are very active in groups that fight BSL, kudos to them for that.
The owners of Flint River are very active in groups that fight BSL, kudos to them for that.
Cathy, would you list some of the foods you like that are comparable quality?
The Flint River Ranch is $1.20/lb. to my door. Nutro Natural Lamb Meal and Rice is about $34. per 40 lbs. local plus 8% Texas sales tax = $0.92/lb. to my door.
The following link is to ingredient lists, it shows Diamond Lamb but with the next 3 successive ingredients as grains so you may be paying for mostly cereal.
It does show Innova to have its top ingredients as meat or meat meal, so although outrageously pricey, it seems to stand up to the competition where it counts.
http://www.iei.net/~ebreeden/kibble.html
The Flint River Ranch is $1.20/lb. to my door. Nutro Natural Lamb Meal and Rice is about $34. per 40 lbs. local plus 8% Texas sales tax = $0.92/lb. to my door.
The following link is to ingredient lists, it shows Diamond Lamb but with the next 3 successive ingredients as grains so you may be paying for mostly cereal.
It does show Innova to have its top ingredients as meat or meat meal, so although outrageously pricey, it seems to stand up to the competition where it counts.
http://www.iei.net/~ebreeden/kibble.html
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I honestly like some of the Diamond foods....I HAVE however read that feeding only the lamb and rice can lead to problems. I LOVE their "Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul" line, I am going to be switching back to that full-time. Here is the ingredient list for the adult dog formula:
Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, oatmeal, potatoes, cracked pearled barley, millet, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), duck, salmon, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
As far as the quality of Nutro, I have had good luck with it, but I think it does depend on what type you get. They have some lower-priced varieties to appeal more to the person who buys based more on price, and then they offer some higher-priced varieties. The CSFTDLS foods are all natural, which I really like as well.
Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, oatmeal, potatoes, cracked pearled barley, millet, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), duck, salmon, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.
As far as the quality of Nutro, I have had good luck with it, but I think it does depend on what type you get. They have some lower-priced varieties to appeal more to the person who buys based more on price, and then they offer some higher-priced varieties. The CSFTDLS foods are all natural, which I really like as well.
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Here's the link for the CSFDLS foods, btw...forgot to put it on the last post.
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/
http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/
Wow I LIKE the description!! And I think I might could get it local where they sell the regular Diamond foods.
Do you mind if I ask what it costs you (and the lbs, so I can convert it to 100 and compare, I used 100 not only because it is a nice round # but give or take that is what I will be buying every month once all 4 are grown)
Thanks for the great info Cathy!!!
Do you mind if I ask what it costs you (and the lbs, so I can convert it to 100 and compare, I used 100 not only because it is a nice round # but give or take that is what I will be buying every month once all 4 are grown)
Thanks for the great info Cathy!!!
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Um.......I honestly don't remember the exact price, but I believe it was right around $17 for the 20 pound bag of the regular adult formula. I'll probably be picking up a larger bag later this week, I'll try to remember to check out all of the prices for you.
That's very competitive with Innova which costs out at about $1.60/lb. incl. tax, and it has, like Innova, a series of meat and meals instead of grains as top ingredients. I think I will stop by and pick up a bag in the next few days and see what the dogs say.
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My Molly is a VERY picky eater, and she LOVES it.....even my human nose thinks it smells tasty.
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Cat, what in the heck is BSL?
I guess this is one area where I get to enjoy an advantage over the rest of you guys. I buy both Nutro and Diamond at the local feed store. I'm paying at least $2 less per bag on the diamond and $10 less per bag on the Nutro. I tend to mix them up. One dog gets old dog and/or fat dog, the other gets an adult maintenance formula.
I guess this is one area where I get to enjoy an advantage over the rest of you guys. I buy both Nutro and Diamond at the local feed store. I'm paying at least $2 less per bag on the diamond and $10 less per bag on the Nutro. I tend to mix them up. One dog gets old dog and/or fat dog, the other gets an adult maintenance formula.
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BSL=Breed specific laws. Or "breed bans". Those places where people say you can't own a Pit Bull, Rott, GSD, or anything that looks like it MIGHT contain any of the breeds that are banned.
From May 9, 2005 to May 8, 2006 they killed 1056 dogs that either were or simply resembled Pit Bulls in Denver, CO. None of these dogs bit anyone......
From May 9, 2005 to May 8, 2006 they killed 1056 dogs that either were or simply resembled Pit Bulls in Denver, CO. None of these dogs bit anyone......
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Not to get an argument going, but I happen to agree with specific legislation that forbids wolves as pets. Same sort of analysis that is the reasoning used for domestic breeds but in this case of wolves I believe the analysis to be correct.
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I do agree with regulation of wolf hybrids.
I also support laws regulating the keeping of ANY vicious animal as a pet.
I do not agree with the murder of family pets just because they look like a certain breed, especially with the lack of knowledge some people have identifying said breeds. Many people have thought my registered, purebred treeing cur "looks like a pitbull", and in man places, that would be enough to sentence her to death. That just ain't right.
I also support laws regulating the keeping of ANY vicious animal as a pet.
I do not agree with the murder of family pets just because they look like a certain breed, especially with the lack of knowledge some people have identifying said breeds. Many people have thought my registered, purebred treeing cur "looks like a pitbull", and in man places, that would be enough to sentence her to death. That just ain't right.
The feed store next town over used to have it but it did not sell well I think because it was a feed store and it was pricier that some they sell, he is going to order some for me.Cat_72 said:My Molly is a VERY picky eater, and she LOVES it.....even my human nose thinks it smells tasty.
Cathy I want to compliment you on your down home approach to foods and dogs in general. I was on another site and sometimes I got the feeling from some, elsewhere, that if you don't buy the very most premium top of the line, it isn't good food.
I have looked at some dog sites for info and some are down home and loving, but it seems to me that some other dog experts are kind of preachy although I am sure they mean well.
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Thanks Lucille.....that means a lot, especially from someone like you.
It comes down to basic research, good sense, and what makes my furballs happy and healthy. There's some of those "top of the line" foods that I wouldn't feed to my rats.....all you are paying for is their advertising, not quality ingredients that can be found in some foods that are more reasonably priced.
My Crested is on a diet right now however, and he seems to think I am gradually torturing and starving him, however. He's only getting HALF of a treat when he comes in from outside and was a good boy, lol.....and his food bowl is not being filled 3 times a day. I am an evil doggie mom right now.
It comes down to basic research, good sense, and what makes my furballs happy and healthy. There's some of those "top of the line" foods that I wouldn't feed to my rats.....all you are paying for is their advertising, not quality ingredients that can be found in some foods that are more reasonably priced.
My Crested is on a diet right now however, and he seems to think I am gradually torturing and starving him, however. He's only getting HALF of a treat when he comes in from outside and was a good boy, lol.....and his food bowl is not being filled 3 times a day. I am an evil doggie mom right now.
dragonflyreptiles
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I use to think that wolf hybrids were really cool, shows how young well not young but younger and before children. Someone hsa one here and every other week it winds up in my yard. Ive beenable to get within 3 feet of himthen he runs, then his owner comes and he jumps inthe truck. If you are going to have an animal or any animal for that fact you need to have them protected and from what Animal Control told me this guys hybird has to cross over a 2 lane then a 4 lane then another 3 lane to get to my house.
Now if I could just figure out why he thinks he needs to come to my house Id feel a bit more sane. I have no females, no outside food, just 6 acres of woods, myabe he likes the hunt in the woods and picked mine.
Either way this hybrid should have been long taken from this guy, if I see it too many mre times after all of the promises of him being able to care for him, I might just go do something about it all since animal control won't. (PS Id never hurt an animal but get them to a proper care giver)
Now if I could just figure out why he thinks he needs to come to my house Id feel a bit more sane. I have no females, no outside food, just 6 acres of woods, myabe he likes the hunt in the woods and picked mine.
Either way this hybrid should have been long taken from this guy, if I see it too many mre times after all of the promises of him being able to care for him, I might just go do something about it all since animal control won't. (PS Id never hurt an animal but get them to a proper care giver)
dragonflyreptiles
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Oh and this was abotu food so here is what I do:
Diamond Naturals Lamb and Rice mixed half and half with Proplan Selects (Turkey based) for everyday feeding bu I add:
Mon 2 tablespoon vionate with 2 tablespoons corn oil ( helps with coat management and shedding)
Tues 1/2 cup rice cooked in bullion, 2 tablespoons garlic (helps with fleas and coat)
Wed 1/2 cup cooked boneless chicken, 2 tablespoons vionate (seems to help coat and shedding)
Thur add 1/2 cup cooked ground beef, 2 tablespoons garlic (seems to help with fleas and caot)
Gut cleasing day
Fri ONLY 1/2 cup cooked rice in bullion, 2 tablespoons garlic, 1/2 cooked boneless chicken, 1/2 cup cooked ground beef, 2 tablespoons vionate and 2 tablespoons corn oil, 1/4 cup metamucil
Sat is Thur and Sun is Wed then back to Monday.
I just make sure our dinner allows for these meat items to be left overs and cook enough for the dog too. And I cook up the rice 5lbs at a time and freeze it in baggies so I can heat and serve on the days needed.
They also get greens, black eye peas, pintos, carrots, green beans and corn added 1/2 cup every meal. I just cut up the greens on Sunday so they last the whole week then cook the frozen veges so I can mix up what I need for a week and put it in baggies to heat and serve on top of their daily varied diet.
Yes, I know Im crazy, will never try to debate that but I like to feed my animals as well as I feed my family, the only thing the dogs do not get is steak, bones or pork that we eat.
They also get mashed potatoes when I fix them (in place of the rice) and a few other goodies that have slipped my mind as I type.
Diamond Naturals Lamb and Rice mixed half and half with Proplan Selects (Turkey based) for everyday feeding bu I add:
Mon 2 tablespoon vionate with 2 tablespoons corn oil ( helps with coat management and shedding)
Tues 1/2 cup rice cooked in bullion, 2 tablespoons garlic (helps with fleas and coat)
Wed 1/2 cup cooked boneless chicken, 2 tablespoons vionate (seems to help coat and shedding)
Thur add 1/2 cup cooked ground beef, 2 tablespoons garlic (seems to help with fleas and caot)
Gut cleasing day
Fri ONLY 1/2 cup cooked rice in bullion, 2 tablespoons garlic, 1/2 cooked boneless chicken, 1/2 cup cooked ground beef, 2 tablespoons vionate and 2 tablespoons corn oil, 1/4 cup metamucil
Sat is Thur and Sun is Wed then back to Monday.
I just make sure our dinner allows for these meat items to be left overs and cook enough for the dog too. And I cook up the rice 5lbs at a time and freeze it in baggies so I can heat and serve on the days needed.
They also get greens, black eye peas, pintos, carrots, green beans and corn added 1/2 cup every meal. I just cut up the greens on Sunday so they last the whole week then cook the frozen veges so I can mix up what I need for a week and put it in baggies to heat and serve on top of their daily varied diet.
Yes, I know Im crazy, will never try to debate that but I like to feed my animals as well as I feed my family, the only thing the dogs do not get is steak, bones or pork that we eat.
They also get mashed potatoes when I fix them (in place of the rice) and a few other goodies that have slipped my mind as I type.