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GTPs & Carpet Pythons Experienced Needed on both

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Can you hosue these. Even if you are against hosuing snakes together period, i need to know under conditions of both of these snakes, if you can actually safely house both of them. Will they eat each other, or do Gtps need cooler temps then carpets? I really would like to know. I know there has been an accidental breeding of jungle Carpet Python wiht a Green Tree. I have pcis to show. I will putting these two snakes to gether at 4 months old roughly. Of course I would feed them separately and neither in the cage when fed. They will be put in seaprate rooms when fed. I will of course introduce them outisde together and will get a divider just incase, but i would liek to be able to have them grow up together and eventually put them in a very very large cage, dimensions:

4' high
4' length
3' depth

Thanks for your help.

Cassandra
 

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i own carpet pythons and i don't think you should house a GTP with a carpet python there care is totally different then a GTP and its quite possible one would attack the other and cause serious damage the temps for carpet pythons are 30 to 33 degrees celsicus. and carpet and GTP like to climb and the humidity for a carpet python is about 50 to 60%. keep them sperate so you can mondator both there heath. and if you do house them together its quite possible if one gets a catchable diease it will pass it onto the other.
 
I would not house them together. The carpet is going to grow alot faster than the Chondro and may hurt or eat it. If one of them gets sick they both will be sick before you ever notice. Even if you feed in different cages the smell will still be on the snakes when you put them together. Four foot high is really tall. I have heard its hard to keep cages of that height warm and humid. The picture you have of the Carpondro was meant to happen and they look awesome.

Tim
 
for a snake as beautiful as the one you have i would do everything nessesary to insure long life and good health. so pls dont put the two together...your asking for trouble. the GTP at 4 months is small enough to house in a large deli cup so the expence will not be too bad to get a nice set up for both =)
 
Housing Together

I appreciate all your help. I decided to keep them separate. Yes, 4 feet is hard to keep humid, we spray a little more than usual, but carpets do not demand as much humidity than GTPs, so we can get away with it. I do agree that GTPs are very small and growth spur is very different than carpets, I was expecting this 8 month old GTP to be bigger than the width of my wrist, but no I was way off. But anyway, thanks again for your help, and I will post more pics of my new GTP when it starts it's ontogenic color change, it should come out very beautiful, since it's sire is Grasshopper and mother is Fleck's form Arboreal Adventures.

Cass
 
If they both end up the same size as adults, then it wouldnt be too outrageus to try and breed them
They both need to be 100% healthy, and 100% properly fed though, to even consider this...
 
Thanks for your help. Do you have experience with breeding snakes? I might have questions along the way with my carpets since right now they are already in the breeding cold cycle.

Cass

P.S. They are both very healthy and I asked my vet if they can breed together safely and she said yes.
 
I dont have experiance breeding these particular species, nor do I have hybridizing experiance.
I have bred snakes though, and all generally go through the same cycles.
Their brumation/hibernation period, where the temps are colder, and they arent offered food.
Then after being warmed up, and food returned is their more wet season, and misting does usually help breeding.
Then there is the Summer. Longer days, and usually a tad drier.
Fall is when the temps a slightly lower, but not enough to cease feeding.
 
has the carpondro breeding been succesful before with other breeders? I might just stick to breeding pure Coastals, pure Jungles and breed green trees pure as well. Next year I will buy a male GTP do breed with this Green Tree pictures below.
 

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I dont think it is a case of greed here Seamus.
Since she'd be selling them for the price of higher end Green Trees...
Anyhow, some people like to hybridize. I personally dont mind natural intergrades, or unforced captive hybrids. But when the breedings become forced, I lean away from them...
 
Well if you buy Pythons of the World Volume I the regions of where Jungle Carpet Pythons are as well as GTP overlap in Australia, so as a matter of fact they do cross paths and probably do mate in the wild. They also can be breed in captivity if you go to this website and take a look at the beautiful markings of a Carpondro.


http://www.chondroweb.com/DrFrankenstein/carpondros.htm


Thanks for your comment!
 
If you met me i am a person no where near the vice of greed. I am 22 years old going to school and trying to experiment with the demand in market of snakes today for purely to make people happy for what they like. Honestly when I succeed in producing Carpondros, I will only sell them for $500 dollars each not $2000. I am more of a person who worries about the snake getting a home rather than worrying about making money. But, it will be a while until I try this breeding. Right now I am trying to breed pure Jungles, pure Coastals and next year I hope to buy "Rio" from the Computer Condro clutch made a few years back. He is for sale on herpetologic.net

I think this male and my female, Nairobi will make a superb and beautiful clutch of neonates.

One question what period of the year can GTP be breed? I know they have two seasons out of the year but I just want to know which months they are able to be breed.

Thanks,
Cassandra
 
cassey,cassey,cassey

if you really did your research then you would know that jungle carpets and grren tree don't overlap there is a elevation differents. and why ruin a the green tree pythons for the rest of us. fisrt there was the diamond python cross with the jungle and now people are so affraid to buy diamonds becaues there not sure there geting a 100% PURE DIAMOND python. then theres the burmesse crossed with the african rock when do they ever cross each other in the wild never. big body of water there between.cross breeding snakes ruins it for the rest of us.
 
Captive interfertility isn't anything even close to proof of wild crosses. There are behavioral differences (intrinsic isolating mechanisms), built into the genetic makeup of the two species which keep them completely unquestioningly seperate as breeding populations even for the few areas where indivudal animals *might* cross paths with one another.

I challenge anyone to show me a naturally produced "carpondro" something that a female collected while gravid dropped... They simply don't exist but feel free to spend some time looking. This is NOT a case of old school taxonomists spending too much time with bottled specimins and not enough in the field... the species are completely 100% without question independant of one another.

Captive hybridization is done strictly out of greed and ignorance. It's not done out of respect or love for the animals, that would entail appreciating them in their natural forms. It's pure financially driven mutilation of natural instinct and it produces bastardized monstrosities that endanger entire captive populations.
 
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