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Hatchling feeds?

k2gsnakes

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We bought 4 hatchling at the clearwater show last month. They havent eaten yet and we have offered them pinkies[live and dead], hoppers[live], and 1 out of 4 have eaten. The one that ate is very active and the others are very calm, is there some other technique we should try?
 
What kind of setup do you have them in? What are your hot spot and cool side temps? Most of the time when ball pythons quit feeding ( except winter breeding) it is because of husbandry issues. There are exceptions to this, but it is usually the norm. Check out this caresheet for temps and humidity and make sure you are meeting those requirements. http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77422 If all those are being met, then we can begin to look at other possible causes. :)
 
We have them in a 10 gallon tank right now with a heating pad on one end and water dish on the other. You see it isnt that they STOPPED eating its that they never have eaten. Hence they are hatchlings and are now about 3 to 4 weeks old. The really active one has eaten three hoppers and her siblings havent eaten anything.
 
OK, do you have all of them in one 10 gallon tank?? That will stress them into not eating to begin with. What are the warm and cool side temps, and do you have the heat mat on a thermostat of some kind? A heating pad not set on a thermostat will run WAY too warm for comfort, and often too warm for safety. They should have a hide on both the warm and cool sides so that they do not have to choose comfort over safety. They hadn't even eaten before you purchased them?
 
Yes we do for the moment, we are in the process of expanding our tank area and so that is the only option for now. I'm not sure what the tempetures are as our house is set to a digital thermostat and it stays about 76-78 at night and during the day we have the air off so it gets to about 80-85 since we live in FL. The heating pad isnt on a thermostat either, we have about 3 inches of crushed walnut sand so its only barely warm to me. They have hides on both sides of the tank. No they did not eat before we purchased them. We bought them at the clearwater reptile show april 23rd. They were born about a week before that and had shed once. Since then only the active female has eaten.
 
Krystle, even if it "only feels barely warm" to you, it still may very well be too warm, especially if they burrow down into the substrate, as they usually do. Sand of any kind is a poor choice of substrate for a Ball Python, something such as aspen shavings is a much better choice. And if you have 3 inches of a heavy substrate like sand over the heat, none of the heat is actually going to warm the air. A too cool (or too warm) Ball Python will not eat. They also need a good level of humidity. Read the care sheet at the link Bill provided above....it will explain a lot. Ball Pythons can be finicky eaters at times to begin with, and if your conditions are not right, it WILL cause problems.

Also...how are you trying to feed them? Are you moving them into separate containers?
 
Your temps are way off and its no wonder they aren't eating. 82-84 cool, 92-94 hot. Get the temps right and they will eat. It concerns me when breeders sell animals that have not yet eaten (I can only assume they are CH) but its more disconcerting that they were sold to someone who doesn't have the experience or proper husbandry in place to get them to eat.
 
I would have to agree w/ Jamie!

It is sad that they were sold to someone that was not at all ready or informed on proper husbandry! Not tryin to make the poster feel bad but there has to be a line drawn at some point!
First off read the caresheets, do your homework and learn as much as you can about Ball pythons and the care that goes into them!!
Also, go to wal-mart a pet shop or a hardware store and get you a thermometer with a probe, 2 would be ideal, to put in the tank to measure your warm and cool side temps. Your body is roughly 98 degrees so anything that feels warm to you is above that temp. 88-92 is optimal temps for a ball on the warm side and that temp should be maintained constantly. See where Im going with this??? If it feels warm to you then its probablly to hot and you risk burning and or uncomfortable temps for your snake. If you do get your snakes to eat oyu also risk the food decomposing (going bad) inside there stomachs before they get a chance to digest it wich can kill your snake because of to high of temps.
Next go to a hardware store (if your not planning on getting a thermostat to control your heat from your UTH) and buy a 10 dollar Lamp Dimmer Switch. All you have to do is plug your UTH into the plug provided on the dimmer switch and that way you have some way of controling the heat!
Also go out and buy something to track the amount of humidity! To much and you have to deal with respitory infections, scale rot etc. To low and you encounter dehydration and bad sheds among many other problems that can happen!
PLEASE PLEASE read up on all this as quick as possible! For now atleast get a way to control your heat temps and monitor them!!
 
Unfortunately Jglass, and Davu you are honestly taking this way to far and are misjudging me on my experience and or how smart or stupid I am, I know your trying to help but seriously if you are going to say stuff like that then leave it to the 'real' professional help on the site and post somewhere else. If I wanted to be spoken to like the way you two have I could have just gone to my mother. For one we read and read and spoke to many many people before I bought my first ball python. When we were in Clearwater we spoke with Greg Graziani plus many other great breeders from out of Florida and have stacks of cards and books. Our main Housing unit is being expanded and was in the process at the time we got them, we had to improvise and so for now that is what we have until two or three more days. We have gone to wal-mart long before I even came on to this site and purcased a tempeture/humidity termostat. Tells me the high and low on both, that is hooked up to the main unit as I said above. I know sand isnt a good choice but again was what we had for now. We dont feed them in it as it can get in their mouths and they cant digest it, can clump, etc. We move them to a different container and cover it so that its mosty dark with a little bit of light. The main point of this was and tips or hints as we have a gravid female right now and want to have 'experience' with hatchlings before she lays the eggs.
 
The last thing i am going to do is to get into an arguement on who is a professional and who is not and how much experience or knowledge i have on Balls. I wasnt saying you were a bad person or that you are not able to do what is required! Nor did I question your intelligence! Right now your husbandry practices are not ideal for your python(s). Ok so what, I am sure that when we first got our leos or our dragon neither was ours. The basics were covered however. Heating your tank and keeping it within standards is a big deal. I simply gave you some advice on how to get your temps to where they should be. I also gave you some tips on how to keep them monitored! Hopefully you are reading substrate temps and not ambiant air temps. Dont know if your thermometer has a probe on it or not.
Maybe the comment on the selling of the snakes was a little out of line. All we have to go on is what you put in your post and if someone is way off base you can be sure that someone is going to say something about it. We are here because we all love reptiles and tend to feel the need to defend them or however you would like to word it! Either way hopefully some of the posts helped out and you are able to take some good ideas from them! My appologies on making you feel bad! Good luck with your snakes.

Mike
 
Crushed walnut sand? You mean the stuff that causes the tearing of the insides in lizards because of the sharp edges? I would hope that your snakes don't ingest any of that. If you are unprepared to house snakes properly then you probably shouldn't have them. I am not going to apologize for bringing to your attention the woeful conditions you are forcing the snakes to endure (crushed walnut, poor temps) and then wondering why they won't eat for you. I also am not going to argue knowledge. I was just giving you some advice for next time not to buy the snakes if you can't house them. Best of luck!
 
Krystle, I think the whole point these guys are trying to get across is that you should have had everything properly set up BEFORE you got these little guys.....but that's neither here nor there now.

I would guess that if they are moving into better conditions (separately, hopefully) they will do better when you have them moved. Be aware that the move itself can cause the one who has actually eaten to go off food, and please double check the temp UNDER the substrate you currently have them on. I would hate to see one of them get burned burrowing into the substrate.
 
Jglass, dont post here no more. I am not going to argue with you. Keep your rude comments to yourself. Obviously you can not read what I have posted before, if you would like me to take pictures of our housing unit I would be more than pleased to do so, so do not go judging me on 'conditions I force my snake through' if you cant word thing nicer just do not even go about posting.

Cat, yes as soon as I read the post about the tempeture I went and placed the prode from my walmart thermostat under the substrate, it was definately way way too hot. We took the heating pad out and placed a lamp over them for now, we have to go get screws from home depot tomorrow after I get off work to finish the last of the unit as we ran out tonight since I stayed offline flipping through Fauna and Kingsnake and we actually had a little time to use up all the screws. [Stupid work! Lol.] They definately will be seperated, as all our other snakes are seperated except our male that is locked with our other female as we speak. [Yay that little pimp.] The active little girl has eaten 5 times now and tonight her sister ate as well, so that is 2/4 and one seemed interested but was kinda jumpy. Thanks for the help and I'll be sure to post once we get the others to eat, oo and I'll post some photos of the finished unit for those that need that visual to understand things.

~Krystle
 
Glad to hear everyone is getting their own apartment!!! :) Sound like you are getting everything dialed in, let us know how it works out. :)
 
k2gsnakes said:
Jglass, dont post here no more. I am not going to argue with you. Keep your rude comments to yourself. Obviously you can not read what I have posted before, if you would like me to take pictures of our housing unit I would be more than pleased to do so, so do not go judging me on 'conditions I force my snake through' if you cant word thing nicer just do not even go about posting.
~Krystle

Ummm...Yeah...Ok
 
Hopping In

You ALL actually make a point. One of those kinds that are endlessly debateable. There are many different types of owners, and levels of emotional attachment, and animal preferences. I LOVE Snakes, my Fiancee Jeff Rye Loves his Lizards. We have a Betta named Bubbles, a Corn Snake named Jakers, a Leopard Gecko named Gex, a Dwarf Frog named Kermit, or Kremit, and an Anole now named Piccolo! We WANT a Ball Python, me oh so badly! Also a Chameleon, a House Gecko, more Leopard Geckos, and more Corn Snakes! Some people set up their tanks to be Paradise, some people buy the animal and then get them set up as quick as possible, or not, and some don't even care! I don't know you, any of you, and I don't know what kind you are. We also have to take care of US! I think some people forget to do that, and probably dig into their Grocery money for the Pets! I have! I bought Jake as cheaply as possible. He was in a Critter Keeper when I bought him! I thought that was bad, but being a Baby it wasn't actually that bad. He had no heat, and still just gets his heating pad I bought for him later.


In Ohio its summer, and the apartment is high 70's in the day, and low 70's at night. I only turn the heating pad on low, when I'm home, only after he eats. He has two hides, a water bowl he uses as a hide, and Jungle mix for substrate that I have never had a problem with. Hes getting moved to aspen shavings though, its cheaper. I haven't had ANY problems with eating, or shedding yet. (Cross my fingers.) I had every intention on making his home mucho better when I got him. I made many sacrafices! He is in a ten gallon now, and doing great. As far as I know I can't talk to him.


You know we could all be wrong! Maybe nobody should even have "pets." Maybe they should be free and happy! Like many others I assume though, I needed Jake more than he needed me. They don't need us in the wild. My Jakers actually saved me from a nervous breakdown, and gave me stuff to do, and something to baby. I would give any of my animals up though for my Fiancee. I feed him first. We fit a lot of our animals into our budget. Certain ones I will not buy though without there set up already being set. Like the Python I want or the Chameleon, anything expensive. Everythings money these days. How much, investments. Everybody has had animal accidents, EVERYBODY, and you won't catch one person talk about it, or the deformed ones from breeding, or even the fact that they bought their pet cheap, and then upgraded them right within a month. People probably just feel bad. I felt bad about Jake, and Gex. They are very durable survivors though. They don't need to babied.

Being a worry wart can get you into trouble to. An worrying sucks to, their are physical illnesses involved in that if you over worry yourself, like I have. The thermometers. I only have one placed right in the middle. The red stick is for hot temps, and the blue for cool. $2 something dollars. Works for now. As for Fauna I would stay! This place really is great. There are some major experts on here, major breeders, and sellers. It everything in one. Most of the advice is right on. I know how you feel. I am sensitive to. I have had some posts I didn't like, but I read them carefully, went and did my own research, and I never respond back sorely. Just ignore people if you don't like what they have to say. There are a ton of nice people here to get to know, and some day you might be the expert. Also, like I said watch where the advice comes from. Do some of your own google searchin. Some of these topics are also debatable, like using sand for a Gecko, papertowels, heating pads, vitamins. It just depends, use your best judgement. The really good people to get advice from are Cat_72,
hhmoore,Norsmis,TripleMoonsExoticGoldenGateGeckos, and the Forum Moderators are great! So please keep posting. :)
 
Leighanne, You are completely right! Trust me I will keep posting on Fauna, its people like you and the two other people that messaged me and the other nice people that have given me advice that will keep me here. Not to mention I am good at getting great deals. We bought our 'male' pastel ball for 400$ and come to find out, its a female! Someone out there really hates us! We also have a Spider and an Albino on the way and /that/ is why we are short on budget but are trying to get this unit finished before they get here. The little ones we have were a steal, 4 for 60! And they are all females, one we are selling for 50$ to a friend of ours. They are all very pretty and tame as can be, I have this thing with making sure I can touch the snake on the head or putting it to my face before I let anyone else hold it. [My 17 year old brother freaked when he first held the snake in his hand.] Not to mention I know your pain, my pay check is gone at the end of the week, I spend 80 dollars a month or more to live mice for food. We have two burmese[1 albino Citrine or Citi, 1 het for albino Arrow], 2 rat snakes[Stinky, Spike], 1 texas long nose[Tex], 11 balls[Striker,Spot,Junior,Onyx (who is my baby and my first Ball python.), Vanilla or Nilly as we call her, Casper, Princess- plus two coming]!, We have 1 Savannah[We call him little guy], 1 Tegu[no name yet], 3 leos [Little Girl, Big Girl, Rex] with eggs in the incubator that we scratched up the money for since that was also unexpected. And my paycheck is gone as soon as I get it! Thanks for your kind and helpful words!

-Krystle
 
I am wondering where your problem was with the advice I gave (that I doubt you will listen to anyway). I said: 82-84 on the cool side, 92-94 on the hot and keep the snakes off of crushed walnut. The problem is, you didn't hear what you wanted. You bought 4 hatchling BPs to get experience for your expected babies from your gravid female. Yet you don't want to hear how you aren't doing right by these "test" subjects. I told you why they weren't eating.

And by the way, I don't need your permission to post my opinions. Whether you choose to listen to them is your prerogative.
 
JG my problem is where not where, its HOW you give the advice in such a nice way. [Oh yes you know me SO very well to tell me how I will listen, didnt I say I could go to my mother to hear things like that.. seriously.] No the problem isnt that I didnt hear what I wanted to, its how you are rude. Yes, JG you want to know my problem its that you are being annoying rude. Saying things the way you are and what not. If you want to post your 'opinion' I suggest you post it instead of posting these 'rude, and very unkind' comments, honesty I have heard 3 other people say the same thing you have and if you would read just a little bit Jamie, you would see none of them have been as unkind as you have. No, I just dont choose to 'listen' to you and your.. 'Opinions.' I can get the same 'opinions' from Cat and Bill & Amy and dont have to put up with as much rude and nasty things you have said. My Bad for feeling that way. Maybe I will put it nicer and say that you would save me my 'TIME' and my 'ENERGY' if you would just not post your 'OPINION' s here! If you would like me to explain this to you in any other way other than me trying to be nice as possible then I can surely do so. So again PLEASE stop posting here and save both of us some time.
 
k2gsnakes said:
JG my problem is where not where, its HOW you give the advice in such a nice way. [Oh yes you know me SO very well to tell me how I will listen, didnt I say I could go to my mother to hear things like that.. seriously.] No the problem isnt that I didnt hear what I wanted to, its how you are rude. Yes, JG you want to know my problem its that you are being annoying rude. Saying things the way you are and what not. If you want to post your 'opinion' I suggest you post it instead of posting these 'rude, and very unkind' comments, honesty I have heard 3 other people say the same thing you have and if you would read just a little bit Jamie, you would see none of them have been as unkind as you have. No, I just dont choose to 'listen' to you and your.. 'Opinions.' I can get the same 'opinions' from Cat and Bill & Amy and dont have to put up with as much rude and nasty things you have said. My Bad for feeling that way. Maybe I will put it nicer and say that you would save me my 'TIME' and my 'ENERGY' if you would just not post your 'OPINION' s here! If you would like me to explain this to you in any other way other than me trying to be nice as possible then I can surely do so. So again PLEASE stop posting here and save both of us some time.

Krystle,

I apologize that my advice was not delivered in a poofy, care bears way that wouldn't offend your delicate sensibilities. I tell it like it is. In the real world not everyone is going to coddle you. I never said anything rude or nasty. Here is something for you though. If you want coddling, go to mommy, if you want real, honest advice, i'll be around the next time you have a question.

Regards,

Jamie
 
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