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This is the first clutch from a bell albino male x sh 100%het bell(daughter of the male from a shtctcross last year).

One is definitely bell, now the clutchmate that just hatched looks like a rainwater I think. either way she is not a bell,lol.

I think I remember Chad telling me when I got the dad from him that he was 50%possable het rainwater. Chad you there???

So what do you guys think? rainwater?

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Sarah, you'll notice the RW is not afraid to open it's eyes. I believe that may indeed be a RW. Kind of cool but also a little troublesome as far as the genetics go.
 
Awesome Sarah!!! Thats very cool to see stuff pop out like that! Yep that huge male you got from me was possibly het for rainwater. Ahh make that is het for rainwater! Very cool to see grandkids!
 
Should be cool to see both strains of hybinos pop out from one female as well!
 
Thanks All :)


Jeremy Letkey said:
Sarah, you'll notice the RW is not afraid to open it's eyes. I believe that may indeed be a RW. Kind of cool but also a little troublesome as far as the genetics go.
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Thanks Jeremy, I think it is a rainwater. Just odd I didn't even expect two albinos in the first two eggs then to be two different strains.
Why troublesome as far as the genetics go?
 
Xavier said:
How do you figure that?
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LOL X cool your jets , it was just a joke. As i said it was cool that you hatched out a rainwater.
On another note
Is there any possilbity that it is a Las Vegas Bell Albino?
 
Sarah H said:
Thanks All :)




Thanks Jeremy, I think it is a rainwater. Just odd I didn't even expect two albinos in the first two eggs then to be two different strains.
Why troublesome as far as the genetics go?
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I say this because someone who has received offspring from you may have bred them as well. If someone who does not know the genetics behind the animals were to produce the animals that you just did... there would be a lot of confusion. They would assume they were both Bell strain albinos. Also now all of your offspring are het for both strains. Until you do test breeding you can not be certain of the genetics of these animals. These both may be Bell albinos. They may also both be RW albinos. You may have one of each. You will have to breed them to be certain. If you were to bred sib x sib how would you determine the strain of albinism that was produced? They all need to be tested. I'm not trying to make it out to be a bad thing. It however will be a pain in the butt in my opinion. :rolleyes:
 
Jeremy Letkey said:
I say this because someone who has received offspring from you may have bred them as well. If someone who does not know the genetics behind the animals were to produce the animals that you just did... there would be a lot of confusion. They would assume they were both Bell strain albinos. Also now all of your offspring are het for both strains. Until you do test breeding you can not be certain of the genetics of these animals. These both may be Bell albinos. They may also both be RW albinos. You may have one of each. You will have to breed them to be certain. If you were to bred sib x sib how would you determine the strain of albinism that was produced? They all need to be tested. I'm not trying to make it out to be a bad thing. It however will be a pain in the butt in my opinion. :rolleyes:
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thy RW god hath spoken...
 
Jeremy Letkey said:
I say this because someone who has received offspring from you may have bred them as well. If someone who does not know the genetics behind the animals were to produce the animals that you just did... there would be a lot of confusion. They would assume they were both Bell strain albinos. Also now all of your offspring are het for both strains. Until you do test breeding you can not be certain of the genetics of these animals. These both may be Bell albinos. They may also both be RW albinos. You may have one of each. You will have to breed them to be certain. If you were to bred sib x sib how would you determine the strain of albinism that was produced? They all need to be tested. I'm not trying to make it out to be a bad thing. It however will be a pain in the butt in my opinion. :rolleyes:
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As cool as it would be to hatch a RW from a Bell, I have to agree with Jeremy on this. Until they can be proven with a homozygous form of either Bell or Rainwater, you really can't assume that they are one form or the other. It is pretty easy to tell the homozygous forms of Bell and Rainwater adults apart on the whole, but to be truly certain of the genetics, they have to be proven, and if you were to sell them without knowing, it would definitely cause someone a ton of confusion... they are cool nonetheless. I don't work with Bells, but have done work with Rainwaters and Trempers, and I will definitely not be crossing them for this reason. They are each cool in their own way and i do not want to confuse myself any more than I already am. :rofl:
 
Couldn't you just tell the person the lineage of the offspring... I think it would be fun proving them out.
 
Hey Sarah. Its not that big of an issue at all! As a matter of fact its part of the enjoyment of leopard gecko breeding. As you already stated it was obvious that the bottom animal was a rainwater. The original male and the female you bred him to(guess it was one of his siblings) are now also proven. As you have been working with Bells now for a couple seasons you obviously displayed that you can correctly identify Bells between Rains as would anyone who's ever seen the two hatchlings could as well. The original double het male I used to produce the male you have Sarah was from Kelli. Oh and the plot thickens!!!! He was also possibly het for Patternless! I never proved him out but thats even still another possibility! Anyway Sarah its really not an issue if you think about it. Its just all part of what makes breeding leopards such a blast. One thing to remember is if you start to take things way too seriously it can start to lessen the joy you recieve from the hobby. So don't sweat the small stuff! Oh and send me some pics of my grandkids!!
 
could some one post a good pic of a rainwater and a bell so I could see side beside the difference. I am not a pro at this but other than the eye opening I can't tell much difference.
 
Jeremy , It does make it confusing I guess I never thought he would actually be a het, odds were against it,lol. Four more eggs from this pair guess we'll see what else pops up.
I think alot of leopards out there are hets for something I guess it only really gets confusing when it is two albino strains.



Blazin said:
Hey Sarah. Its not that big of an issue at all! As a matter of fact its part of the enjoyment of leopard gecko breeding. As you already stated it was obvious that the bottom animal was a rainwater. The original male and the female you bred him to(guess it was one of his siblings) are now also proven. As you have been working with Bells now for a couple seasons you obviously displayed that you can correctly identify Bells between Rains as would anyone who's ever seen the two hatchlings could as well. The original double het male I used to produce the male you have Sarah was from Kelli. Oh and the plot thickens!!!! He was also possibly het for Patternless! I never proved him out but thats even still another possibility! Anyway Sarah its really not an issue if you think about it. Its just all part of what makes breeding leopards such a blast. One thing to remember is if you start to take things way too seriously it can start to lessen the joy you recieve from the hobby. So don't sweat the small stuff! Oh and send me some pics of my grandkids!!
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Chad, the mom of these two is a sh het bell(apperntly rainwater too) I produced last year by crossing the male from you with a shtct. I bred her back to the male this year. paternless too?? Ooh jeeze,lol.
I was surprised to get 2 albinos the first clutch since mom isn't albino, I wonder what the next clutch will bring.
 
Hopefully some bright hybinos from both strains! Maybe a Patternless or patternless albino. The original male that produced your male was 100% double het Bell and Rain and possibly het for patternless. Regardless the animals look outstanding and the male I sent you is one of the largest Bell's I have seen. I'd love to see an updated pic of him. I can't wait to see what else pops out of this pairing! Talk about a blast! You can't tell me thats not fun!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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