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So I'm getting interested in this gene and have researched a good bit and so far I've gathered the Pied and Leopard are the same genetically? Im not to smart with or sure of the terms.

So basically, a Leopard bred to a Pied should produce Pieds/Leopard Pieds as well as Leopards and normal het pieds correct? Now the leopard offspring can be called Leopard het pieds or just Leopards since so far they have NOT been proven to not have the pied gene?

I imderstand genetics for the most part but still.need to learn the alleale(sp?), locus, ect terms fully.

Yes I know there are plenty of threads here and there on this topic but there seems to be alot of knowledgable people here and would like to keep to one forum rather then 5 or.more lol.

Thanks.
 
I've read pleanty of sites saying otherwise, that's what I'm trying to understand. Supposedly if you breed a Leopard to a Leopard or Pied you Wil produce Pieds.. The thing I've been reading alot is that if you bred a Leopard to a Leopard the Leopard Pied Is a super Leopard or whatever. Leopard x Pied will produce Leo Pieds, Pieds, Leopards and Leopard Pieds..

Alot of people were saying it has Yet to be Disproved that the Leopard does Not carry the Pied gene..

Im nowhere near an expert but am very interested in this gene.

Thanks for your input, I will try to find and post links to said threads.
 
Yea please do. I've never heard that before and just started working with leopards. I'd love to see those links when you find them. But there's also the possibility the people who did that (if it was done) had a leopard het pied and they didn't know it. The first axanthic pied was done the same way, where as they didn't know one of the snakes was a het for axanthic.
 
Greg Graziani states Leopard and Pied are on the same allele. Leopard x Pied will produced Leopards, Pieds, Leo Pieds, and het Pieds. So far, there is the argument that all Leopards are het Pied but others say it is not het Pied but Pied is the super form of Leopard. Make any sense? I didn't think so.lol. The Super Leopard is a Leopard Pied.
 
Brandon Osborne said:
Greg Graziani states Leopard and Pied are on the same allele. Leopard x Pied will produced Leopards, Pieds, Leo Pieds, and het Pieds. So far, there is the argument that all Leopards are het Pied but others say it is not het Pied but Pied is the super form of Leopard. Make any sense? I didn't think so.lol. The Super Leopard is a Leopard Pied.
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Hmmm, so coming from someone who's studied genetics a bit that could make sense in a way. It actually could be that the super form looks like a pied but actually isn't. I mean we all know pieds are recessive and leopards are either a dom or co-dom. But, if a leopard bred to a pied actually makes everything you stated then that's one that would really confuse anyone... :willy_nil
 
Correct lol.

Thats what I've gathered this far. The Super Leopard is the Leopard Pied, so when breeding a Leopard to a Pied, the outcome Will be as mentioned.

It makes sense, just wanting to get more input as far as the 2 being on the same allele. Which to Me, there is way more proof to this then it being untrue.

I will be getting a male here soon lol.. The Leopard Lesser/Spider combos look insane, then the 3+ gene combos get intense lol. Definatly a must have IMO..

Thanks.
 
So far the Pied and Leopard Pieds are (from what I have been seeing) pretty distinguishable or ovbiously different. Leopard Pieds seem to be Higher white and if not, have a crazy pattern..
 
Same here, I just want a male Leopard for het pied/pastel het pied females and see what happens.

This is why I love ball pythons lol. Something new to be made every season lol.
 
I would contact Peter Kahl on this one... He originally produced the leopard from a wild caught Pied clutch. I have also heard both sides regarding (all leopards are het pieds). Both Adam Chelsa and Greg Graziani have been working with leopards much longer then most of us. I spoke to both Adam and Greg about (3) weeks ago. At that time, it is my understanding that not all leopards are het-pied because multiple Leopard x Leopard clutches did not produce a visual pied. IMHO, I think a good percentage of the earlier leopard stock do have a chance of being het pied (Because the original Leopard came from a visual Pied) but the more recent babies that have been line breed with other mutations are mostly not.
 
I think you are correct as far as not ALL Leopards being het Pied is 100%.. I've been reading up on alot of forums and youtube and it Seems, there has been a few that haven't shown or are het pied BUT, most of the combos haven't been either het or visual Pieds/leopards. Im still on the fence but still going to get a male Leopard and try a few het pied females as well as a fee other morph females. Still a very interesting gene and well worth having.

Thanks for the input and help. Much appreciated.
 
Wildman09 said:
I think you are correct as far as not ALL Leopards being het Pied is 100%.. I've been reading up on alot of forums and youtube and it Seems, there has been a few that haven't shown or are het pied BUT, most of the combos haven't been either het or visual Pieds/leopards. Im still on the fence but still going to get a male Leopard and try a few het pied females as well as a fee other morph females. Still a very interesting gene and well worth having.

Thanks for the input and help. Much appreciated.
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I agree, After seeing all of Greg Graziani's Leopard crosses in person, I bought a bigger leopard male (with a nice white ringer..He may be het pied?) and a smoking hot pastel Leopard male that is already up to 230 grams that same day!

My season is running very late this year (had 6 clutches in the past two weeks), so I am hopeful that I have plenty of time to get him up to size!
 
@Jason, best of luck man!

@Brandon, Leopard x Leopard pairing "Should" make everything carry the Leopard gene... As far as I know.. Or atleast half.. Not 100% yet since this gene is still being figured out lol.
 
Keith, I was referring to Leo x Leo producing pieds. They way I understand it is, pied is the super form so you should also get 25% normal offspring. I don't know 100% so I'm just going off what I've been told by other Leo breeders. I'm breeding mine to some pied and pied combos this year.
 
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