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I do not know how to print screen so that the pics are seen here but there are two pics of albinos and a regular looking boa in the ad and the text is below.

Ready to breed next season - captive bred

Male Albino Het for Sunglow - 51 inches long - $3,500

Female Albino Fineline Het for Sunglow - 46 inches long - $3,800

Female 100% Het for Albino and Finline - 44 inches long - $1,000

Eating 2 large mice or small to medium rats F/T

Tons of money to be made with this project!


Hopefully this link to the ad will work.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=8&de=222555


Do you belive this??
 
How could her albino be het for sunglow????????????????
 
Here is the screen shot of the ad. I am confused with something though. How can an animal be het for sunglow. I thought Sunglow was the result of crossing an Albino and Salmon boa(or something along those lines) Maybe I am wrong but if someone could shed some light on this I would appreciate it as I am not too much into the Boas any more.
 

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The hypo gene is not recessive so her albino can not be het for sunglow, that was the whole point of the post.
 
elaboration

As I understand it to produce a "Sunglow" Boa you have to breed a Salmon/Hypo Boa that is het for Albino to an albino and 25% of the resulting offspring should be Sunglow, or 2 Salmon/Hypo Boas het for Albino bred will result in 50% Sunglows. Is this correct? If this is correct than there is no way this persons albinos are het for Sunglow as Salmon/Hypo is a dominant trait and not a simple recessive trait.
 
I think we all have to be careful about how we use the word "het." While it is true that "het" usually implies a gene that is hidden in an animal, it is not always the case. "Heterozygous" merely means that an animal has two different genes at a specified locus.

So, a tiger retic is het for the gene that creates that pattern variation, even though, because the gene is dominant, the pattern mutation shows. A super tiger retic is the result of an animal being homozygous for the mutatant gene. What is NOT possible, is a normally patterned retic, showing no tiger striping, to be het for that gene.

I'm sure everyone in this discussion thus far knows all of that above. I am not trying to be a know-it-all condescending jerk here, but others may come along and not know how "het" really applies to genetics. We just tend to misuse the term sometimes.

Anyway, for the Lizard lady to say that she has an albino het for sunglow, she can be right, IF she is describing a sunglow in a weird fashion (and I admit that it seems very unlikely that she would use this terminology!). But IF she is intending to say that her normally colored albino has a hidden gen for Salmon/hypo in its genotype, she is mistaken at best, and misrepresenting her animals at worst.
 
close, but.....

Hypo het albino x Albino =
25% sunglows, 25% albinos, 25% hypos het albino (dh sunglows), and 25% normal het albinos.

Hypo het albino x Hypo het albino =
18.75% sunglows, 6.25% albinos, 50% hypos that are 66% het albino, and 25% normals that are 66% het albino. Also, all the hypos would be possibly dominant.

I already sent her an email stating that it is not possible to have what she is claiming. If they carried the hypo gene, then they would be sunglows.

Matt Crabe
 
"As I understand it to produce a "Sunglow" Boa you have to breed a Salmon/Hypo Boa that is het for Albino to an albino and 25% of the resulting offspring should be Sunglow, or 2 Salmon/Hypo Boas het for Albino bred will result in 50% Sunglows. Is this correct?"


Actually, in those pairings, the resulting expected offspring would statisically be the following:

Salmon, het for Amel bred to Amel would produce:

25% Het. Amel,
25% Homozygous Amel,
25% Salmon, Het. Amel,
25% Salmon, Homozygous Amel, (Sunglows)

And, Salmon het amel bred to a Salmon, het amel would produce:

6.25% Normals
12.5% Het. Amel,
6.25% Homozygous Amel,
12.5% Salmon,
25% Salmon, Het. Amel,
12.5% Salmon, Homozygous Amel, (Sunglows)
6.25% Homozygous Salmon, (Super Salmon?)
12.5% Homozygous Salmond, Het. Amel, (Super Salmon?)
6.25% Homozygous Salmond, Homozygous Amel, (Super Sunglows?)

I used the question marks in relation to the names of the animals homozygous for the Salmon genes, because I am not certain as to what they are actually called, and the word "Super" may or may not be accurate. However, the genetics and the percentages shown are accurate.
 
Darin Chappell said:
Anyway, for the Lizard lady to say that she has an albino het for sunglow, she can be right, IF she is describing a sunglow in a weird fashion (and I admit that it seems very unlikely that she would use this terminology!).
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The pictures provided in the ad are clearly albinos, not sunglows so the second half of your statement would apply.

Darin Chappell said:
But IF she is intending to say that her normally colored albino has a hidden gen for Salmon/hypo in its genotype, she is mistaken at best, and misrepresenting her animals at worst.
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I would like to think that she bought an Albino that was a Sunglow clutchmate and doesn't understand the genetics correctly.
 
Clarification...

This ad was NOT posted by me! My business name used to be called "the Lizard Lady" until I completely switched over to Golden Gate Geckos last year.
 
Also fishy that boas on the average of 4 feet in length are possibly being offered 2 mice as their feeding... hmmmmm Small to medium rats.. okay.. 2 mice.. not sure..

The whole ad is fishy to me and the wording of the entire ad sounds uneducated.
 
I wrote an e-mail to "the lizard Lady" asking how they could be het for sunglow and below is what I received in response from her husband whose name is Dwight Yarde.

Please dont waste my time my wife made an error in the ad
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Well, since this is posted here on the BOI, along with that well-thought out response, perhaps no one will "waste his time" by sending them money for those animals, either!

What a jerk!
 
Even if they were acurately described, I wouldn't waist my time based on this picture. No way would I want this animal near my collection.
 

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Will the "REAL' Lizard Lady please stand up?

I have had several email and private messages in regard to the ad on KS by the "Lizard Lady", giving me a bunch of flack about the accuracy of that ad, and I finally had to do a 'form response' so I could cut and paste my reply that it isn't me!!! So, I emailed the ad poster asking her to specify that she was not the original Lizard Lady in order to avoid this kind of confusion. Here is the response I got:


Subj: Re: Message about: BREEDING TRIO OF ALBINO BOAS
Date: 6/8/2004 8:26:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)

I have been posting ads on Kingsnake for over two years as Lizard Lady - no-one has ever confused me with anyone else so I don't understand what your problem is - this is the handle that I use and I will continue to use it. If you feel you want to post an ad saying that you are the original Lizard Lady that's fine with me - be my guest

Thanks,

Bewildered

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Message about: BREEDING TRIO OF ALBINO BOAS


> Hello, I thought I should let you know that I have been "The Lizard Lady"
on Kingsnake since it first started, and my business was called that for
nearly 10 years. I would like to call your attention to this thread on
another forum in regard to your ad on KS:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=135927#post135927
> I would appreciate it if you could specify that you are NOT the original
Lizard Lady when posting ads. Thanks!
>
> Marcia McGuiness
> www.goldengategeckos.com
 
I also emailed him and notified them of the mistakes in the ad and although my reply was not near as hostile I will post it here..

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:17:12 -0400
From: Dwight Yarde <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message about: BREEDING TRIO OF ALBINO BOAS
To: [email protected]
Reply-to: Dwight Yarde <[email protected]>


Sorry i asked the wife to post them for me my fault thanks
Dwight

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I do agree that the condition of the cages leaves a lot to be desired and makes you wonder about the condition of the animals themselves.
 
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