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elena said:
What was the date of the sale?
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He purchased the animal on the 2nd of January, picked her up on the 13th, told us the female was loosing appetite on the 25th, the animal died on the 30th.
What a coincidence, after several years we raised such a solid animal... remember so well day temps were below 60 sometimes during those days in Miami, he lives more in the north.
 
It really sounds like the animal should not have been outside at that time of year.
 
Highs in West Palm Beach during that period were in the mid 70's, lows in the mid 50's. Can someone with strong tortoise experience comment on those temperatures, and whether they are appropriate?
 
And why wasn't a necropsy actually done by the buyer? If there was one tortoise still alive it might be important to know why the first one died. The buyer seems to have mentioned a necropsy only in relation to a refund, never mentioning his concern with the remaining tortoise's health which may have been the more important reason to have one done.
 
Lucille said:
So the female died some 2 1/2 weeks after the buyer picked them up, what's the story on the other one?
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I know about the other one dying only through here. He never mentioned that to us before. So should have been several months after, because he texted me again while I was on a trip back on April, and he didn’t mention anything about it. He just wants to give us a hard time, and I am sure it comes from frustration that he lost his animals. And we feel worse than him in that way since we raised them. But from a business point of view, this is not our fault and we cannot compensate as he asked. And we will not let him try to ruin our reputation due to his negligence. Never!
 
Lucille said:
And why wasn't a necropsy actually done by the buyer? If there was one tortoise still alive it might be important to know why the first one died. The buyer seems to have mentioned a necropsy only in relation to a refund, never mentioning his concern with the remaining tortoise's health which may have been the more important reason to have one done.
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Absolutely! This obviously confirms how this guy totally neglected his animals. He should stop accusing us for his faults.
 
So it is possible that both tortoises are still alive?
Buyer, can you post proof of death, or a vet report, or something?
 
MOC REPTILES said:
He never sent me any prove, pictures, necropsy results. Nothing at all, just threats...
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So for all we know both animals are still alive and he's trying to scam. However, I find it more likely that they are both dead. I'm not a tortoise expert by any means, but I checked the temps in West Palm Beach during the relevant time frame, and they didn't seem warm enough (55-75). The leopard tortoise care sheets I've read suggest that no part of the enclosure should be less than 75, and that a hot spot of 95 is required. No wonder the animal stopped eating. Since Rod doesn't deny that he kept them outside at least during the day, this seems pretty cut and dried.
 
elena said:
So for all we know both animals are still alive and he's trying to scam. However, I find it more likely that they are both dead. I'm not a tortoise expert by any means, but I checked the temps in West Palm Beach during the relevant time frame, and they didn't seem warm enough (55-75). The leopard tortoise care sheets I've read suggest that no part of the enclosure should be less than 75, and that a hot spot of 95 is required. No wonder the animal stopped eating. Since Rod doesn't deny that he kept them outside at least during the day, this seems pretty cut and dried.
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I don’t honestly think that he is scaming.
But I am very confident he didn’t care for them properly, he should just learn, and move on. I have done mistakes with reptiles too, we all have, we learn from it. But we don’t turn this frustration into creating false accusations and nonsense assumptions, trying to affect a business reputation.
 
Leopard tortoises do not hibernate. In parts of their range they may experience freezing temperatures and seek shelter in animal burrows, but in most of their range they experience a much narrower range of temperatures. Generally that’s between 70 and 100 degrees Fahrenheit.

From your same article
 
I also don't think you scammed me Francisco. I think what happened what unfortunate, I just don't think it was my fault.
 
Rod, what are you saying happened to the second tortoise, you never replied.
 
Lucille, it's irrelevant. Why am I gonna keep posting to be called outlandish things? Forget it. Have Elena accuse me of being a scammer with no basis? Nah. This is the exact reason why people stay away from this post, no one wins. Regardless if it was my fault or Francisco it's been a crappy discussion.
 
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