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my annual end of summer trip to western North Carolina...
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a153fish
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Nice! Except for the huge Wasp nest, lol!
mikem
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Those are some nice finds! Love the garters 
Milks are awesome as well!
Milks are awesome as well!
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Wow! You're surrounded with great stuff!
Clay Davenport
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What area or county did you find the eastern milks? That's one of the species with a limited distribution here in the mountains, and I like to note confirmed findings to try to establish what general elevation seems to be the limiting factor.
lisajean
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can you suggest good places in NC to go herping? We live near Charlotte
Clay Davenport
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I'm speculating that distribution is limited by geographical factors and not just elevation if you're finding them regularly in Buncombe county at that level.
I divide this area of the mountains into three basic tiers.
You have the first tier, which is Mcdowell county and points east until you come to the piedmont. You climb Old Fort mountain to Buncombe, Henderson, and Madison counties which are tier two.
Then you go up another step into Yancey, Mitchell, Avery, and counties north up to Watauga, tier three.
For the purpose of reptile distribution this system of division works pretty well.
Cornsnakes are found regularly in tier one, not as abundant in tier two but present, and I've never found one or known of one being found in tier three.
Eastern milks are more common into tier two, but rarely found beyond that.
I've known of three confirmed findings of eastern milks in tier three, one adult DOR in Yancey county, one hatchling I found on a river bank in Avery county, and one yearling brought to me for identification in pieces in a jar from Mitchell county. They're there, just not at all abundant.
There are areas in tier 3 that are 1500 feet lower than the 3600ft you found milks at in Buncombe county. Average elevation for that area though is 1000 to 1500 feet higher than Buncombe.
lisajean
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thanks for the reply - we do not live too far from the Pisgah, maybe we will try there.