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New Recessive Project Suggestions
- Thread starter JustChad04
- Start date
MajorLeagueReptiles
Keep your eye on the ball
Interesting opinions so far... Definitely different than the route I would recommend, and I'll tell you why. The following is based on my investment opinion, nothing else.
In 2010 I purchased het desert ghost females for $700 a piece. Funny to think what they are worth now because supply has only increased. I understand, as demand has increased. However, little do folks really know how many Desert Ghosts are currently sitting in a facility right now. It would probably boggle the mind some to see it. It's a fantastic morph, and that's why I'm working with them, but I'm curious where the price is going to settle on them especially since I know a business that is starting to push/sell their stockpile. In addition, over the last 10 years there have already been numerous double recessive combos already with DG. I think the DG will do well at the 1k range soon, but again it really depends if someone is going to cash in, or let others make some.
My recommendation for a recessive project would be the toffee/candy. I spent $25,000 green cash just 2 years ago on a toffee and only a handful actually have pure toffees. When the toffino compatibility surfaced, we saw what was destined to be the best recessive morph investment of all time, crash in 1 year because people THOUGHT a toffino was a toffee, and we now see hets at affordable prices of only 3k for a pair?? Now, the crash was NOT due to production and that's important to understand as most often crashes are due to overproduction and saturation. It was due to people buying a het toffee male and making toffinos and scared investors believed people would be able to make toffees only spending $5,000 on a het toffee male. Now, it has been proven a toffino/candino is not a toffee/candy, so why not invest in making a pure toffee/candy when the price has reached a lowball price that will only increase when toffee combos start to come out. Toffino is nothing more than a pretty double het toffee/albino. People dont simply invest in a double het male, and then they realize they are stuck with a bunch of poss hets they can't sell for any money, and then they also realize nobody wants a toffino anymore bc there will be pure toffees and who wants a double het? There has been hardly any toffee combos yet. See the difference here?
I'll make both DGs and Toffees, as well as most of the other recessive projects out there. The toffee is probably the prettiest snake in my collection as a base mutation, and this is simply my business advice from how I've seen the BP market works.
At the end of the day, get whatever you enjoy the most and makes you happy. This opinion was purely based on my unbiased investment opinion. I absolutely could be wrong on the matter, but thought sharing might make some people think a little longer.
Here is a toffee at 4 months. Ugly little things.
In 2010 I purchased het desert ghost females for $700 a piece. Funny to think what they are worth now because supply has only increased. I understand, as demand has increased. However, little do folks really know how many Desert Ghosts are currently sitting in a facility right now. It would probably boggle the mind some to see it. It's a fantastic morph, and that's why I'm working with them, but I'm curious where the price is going to settle on them especially since I know a business that is starting to push/sell their stockpile. In addition, over the last 10 years there have already been numerous double recessive combos already with DG. I think the DG will do well at the 1k range soon, but again it really depends if someone is going to cash in, or let others make some.
My recommendation for a recessive project would be the toffee/candy. I spent $25,000 green cash just 2 years ago on a toffee and only a handful actually have pure toffees. When the toffino compatibility surfaced, we saw what was destined to be the best recessive morph investment of all time, crash in 1 year because people THOUGHT a toffino was a toffee, and we now see hets at affordable prices of only 3k for a pair?? Now, the crash was NOT due to production and that's important to understand as most often crashes are due to overproduction and saturation. It was due to people buying a het toffee male and making toffinos and scared investors believed people would be able to make toffees only spending $5,000 on a het toffee male. Now, it has been proven a toffino/candino is not a toffee/candy, so why not invest in making a pure toffee/candy when the price has reached a lowball price that will only increase when toffee combos start to come out. Toffino is nothing more than a pretty double het toffee/albino. People dont simply invest in a double het male, and then they realize they are stuck with a bunch of poss hets they can't sell for any money, and then they also realize nobody wants a toffino anymore bc there will be pure toffees and who wants a double het? There has been hardly any toffee combos yet. See the difference here?
I'll make both DGs and Toffees, as well as most of the other recessive projects out there. The toffee is probably the prettiest snake in my collection as a base mutation, and this is simply my business advice from how I've seen the BP market works.
At the end of the day, get whatever you enjoy the most and makes you happy. This opinion was purely based on my unbiased investment opinion. I absolutely could be wrong on the matter, but thought sharing might make some people think a little longer.
Here is a toffee at 4 months. Ugly little things.
NorthernRegius.com
Pythons baby; Pythons!
I had know idea the Toffees were priced at the range they are now. That is good news!
radera5
Got Ballz?!?
Interesting opinions so far... Definitely different than the route I would recommend, and I'll tell you why. The following is based on my investment opinion, nothing else.
In 2010 I purchased het desert ghost females for $700 a piece. Funny to think what they are worth now because supply has only increased. I understand, as demand has increased. However, little do folks really know how many Desert Ghosts are currently sitting in a facility right now. It would probably boggle the mind some to see it. It's a fantastic morph, and that's why I'm working with them, but I'm curious where the price is going to settle on them especially since I know a business that is starting to push/sell their stockpile. In addition, over the last 10 years there have already been numerous double recessive combos already with DG. I think the DG will do well at the 1k range soon, but again it really depends if someone is going to cash in, or let others make some.
My recommendation for a recessive project would be the toffee/candy. I spent $25,000 green cash just 2 years ago on a toffee and only a handful actually have pure toffees. When the toffino compatibility surfaced, we saw what was destined to be the best recessive morph investment of all time, crash in 1 year because people THOUGHT a toffino was a toffee, and we now see hets at affordable prices of only 3k for a pair?? Now, the crash was NOT due to production and that's important to understand as most often crashes are due to overproduction and saturation. It was due to people buying a het toffee male and making toffinos and scared investors believed people would be able to make toffees only spending $5,000 on a het toffee male. Now, it has been proven a toffino/candino is not a toffee/candy, so why not invest in making a pure toffee/candy when the price has reached a lowball price that will only increase when toffee combos start to come out. Toffino is nothing more than a pretty double het toffee/albino. People dont simply invest in a double het male, and then they realize they are stuck with a bunch of poss hets they can't sell for any money, and then they also realize nobody wants a toffino anymore bc there will be pure toffees and who wants a double het? There has been hardly any toffee combos yet. See the difference here?
I'll make both DGs and Toffees, as well as most of the other recessive projects out there. The toffee is probably the prettiest snake in my collection as a base mutation, and this is simply my business advice from how I've seen the BP market works.
At the end of the day, get whatever you enjoy the most and makes you happy. This opinion was purely based on my unbiased investment opinion. I absolutely could be wrong on the matter, but thought sharing might make some people think a little longer.
Here is a toffee at 4 months. Ugly little things.
Don't get me wrong Brant, they are beautiful...but there is way to much drama in that project for my personal liking. That is no way an attack on your opinion, more of just my opinion on the whole ordeal.
I'd have been MUCH more interested in the Toffee project if they were not compatible with Albinos.
The fact that they are compatible with Albinos ruins the whole thing for me.
Now that is certainly not to say you can't buy legit Toffee's or het's from a legit source and keep the line clean...because you can. I know of a few breeders with "clean" Toffee's...it's just risky is all.
I have seen the comparison shots between Lav's and Toffee's and they are obviously different, but for that type of money, I'd just assume get a Lav or even a Banana and not have to wait near as long for results.
Not saying these are identical morphs, just that they are enough alike in my eye's that I couldn't justify buying into another pricey project, especially one with questions.
I do think they are amazing animals and I would even enjoy working that project, just not a smart choice in my opinion...I will give props where props are due though and say that you might have a "little" more experience than I do.
Good topic for sure. Lot's of cool projects to dabble with.
MajorLeagueReptiles
Keep your eye on the ball
Don't get me wrong Brant, they are beautiful...but there is way to much drama in that project for my personal liking. That is no way an attack on your opinion, more of just my opinion on the whole ordeal.
I'd have been MUCH more interested in the Toffee project if they were not compatible with Albinos.
The fact that they are compatible with Albinos ruins the whole thing for me.
Now that is certainly not to say you can't buy legit Toffee's or het's from a legit source and keep the line clean...because you can. I know of a few breeders with "clean" Toffee's...it's just risky is all.
I have seen the comparison shots between Lav's and Toffee's and they are obviously different, but for that type of money, I'd just assume get a Lav or even a Banana and not have to wait near as long for results.
Not saying these are identical morphs, just that they are enough alike in my eye's that I couldn't justify buying into another pricey project, especially one with questions.
I do think they are amazing animals and I would even enjoy working that project, just not a smart choice in my opinion...I will give props where props are due though and say that you might have a "little" more experience than I do.
Good topic for sure. Lot's of cool projects to dabble with.
Yeah, I understand how some may feel that way. I do also know toffees need a few months to color up, but it's actually such an amazing experience.
The way my mind works, I actually think toffinos distracted people from making toffees so the production is actually less than it should have been.
Anyways, after the dust has settled from the compatibility, my opinion is a toffee ages far better than lavender and bananas. Bananas out of the egg are nicer, but I'm still curious to see an enchi toffee.
Anyways, lots of projects to work with no question about it. Lots more coming in the future I'm VERY excited about the future of our industry. Going to be amazing!