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my brother would like to know what kind of rattler just moved into his yard. Can you identify this for him???
 
What state and what area of the state was this picture taken in? Can you provide that info please? I agree with Old Guy, it looks like either an C. atrox or C. adamanteus.
 
My brother lives in arizona. He has three small children and is going to relocate that snake away from his house.
 
That's a cool pic! Looks like a Western Diamondback. Too bad you can't see the tail. That would make it easier.
 
Not to start an argument, but that snake looks nothing like C.adamanteus. They have much darker color to them.

It is C. atrox, or western Diamndback as suggested. At least judging by the pics.

Rick
 
have i addressed this issue before ?

while we are led to the belief of this. there are pros and cons of re-located association of the problems of such. There is some scientific proof but to the knowledge of thousands and thousands of re-located certain species of reptiles and particular snakes, ( wanna ask me which species I am referring to ) the water is thin. Now I'm not talking of a re-location of a tropical or sub-tropical ( try Florida though even ) herp releasing into a desert environment or reverse, but.........the transmission of pathogens and or viruses is also thin in my opinion and yes. one would argue the supposedly problem with the western gopher tortoise but isn't it strange that the same related species of gopher tortoise of the east hasn't had ( at least to my reading and knowledge ) this privilege of the above spread and knowing that probably as many " kept " and or short turn/time kept pets have been returned to wild status by the general public ? Yes, this might be slightly off topic of the snake thing and another story but just don't think there is a WHOLE credibility in the 100% scenario of a re-location or replanting species for what ever reason is a ultimate death sentence..........








DAND said:
Education (of the children) and supervision would cause the snake to live longer than relocation. Most relocated snakes have a high mortality rate.
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old guy said:
while we are led to the belief of this. there are pros and cons of re-located association of the problems of such. There is some scientific proof but to the knowledge of thousands and thousands of re-located certain species of reptiles and particular snakes, ( wanna ask me which species I am referring to ) the water is thin. Now I'm not talking of a re-location of a tropical or sub-tropical ( try Florida though even ) herp releasing into a desert environment or reverse, but.........the transmission of pathogens and or viruses is also thin in my opinion and yes. one would argue the supposedly problem with the western gopher tortoise but isn't it strange that the same related species of gopher tortoise of the east hasn't had ( at least to my reading and knowledge ) this privilege of the above spread and knowing that probably as many " kept " and or short turn/time kept pets have been returned to wild status by the general public ? Yes, this might be slightly off topic of the snake thing and another story but just don't think there is a WHOLE credibility in the 100% scenario of a re-location or replanting species for what ever reason is a ultimate death sentence..........
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Note the Research findings:

http://sbsc.wr.usgs.gov/products/pdfs/fs-2006-3062.pdf#search='relocation%20of%20snakes%20mortality%20rates'
 
as i said......

all that i have read, doesn't convince me. Of course as i said > my own observations and knowledge of over 4 decades and I'm not of the academic arena. Never the less, it is still of interest to me and others that agree/semi-agree with me. I guess with my collectible theory and others of " adaptability " is here in play. No, I'm in no way saying there isn't a toll of some problems but the thought of enmass...............There are slight problems of the gopher tortoise transmission via pet and let go as well that i do not agree on entirely..........as in other factors. But again this is my non-academic read and read and can see possibly other things like certain conditions including possible climatic changes and food intake of plant matter possibly being involved, NOTE : I said possibly. This again is good for debate on a debatable subject. One other note : being in the " bizz " and of the parvo virus of pet dogs some years ago and at its height of infection, and the theory of spreading not un-like the Gopher tortoise virus of came to be infected wild from domestic or reverse of wild populations, there is a very far out theory of why the parvo strain came and went....a far out enough rumor that i don't want to even post. Now if someone else wants to..........
 
old guy said:
while we are led to the belief of this. there are pros and cons of re-located association of the problems of such. There is some scientific proof but to the knowledge of thousands and thousands of re-located certain species of reptiles and particular snakes, ( wanna ask me which species I am referring to ) the water is thin. ....
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maybe it's me, & related to the fact that I shouldn't even be awake at this hour (and barely am)...but I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say there (and there was something in your subsequent post that baffled me as well - though I will come back and try again later)

Given the nature of the discussion, I will assume that the gist of your posts was that you don't accept the evidence that relocation of some species can be detrimental to the survival of the animal. Most of the literature I have read on that subject is limited to rattlesnakes, and a few other species that use a communal den/hibernaculum. These animals return to the same site year after year. The studies have shown that when these animals are relocated too far from where they are found, they cannot locate the denning area and are often unable to find (unwilling to accept?) other suitable hibernacula.
As far as your statement that you do not accept the bulk of what you have read - OK. I have seen some "experiments" (my term) that relocated animals to "suitable terrain" that didn't even have significant populations of the species to begin with. IMO, those studies pretty much doomed the animals - no surprise that they showed high mortality rates. Assuming that you have read some of the decent articles that were based on realistic and accurate studies, that is your option. But if you are going to summarily discount the ideas they present, what do you offer as proof/evidence of your own theories?
 
I second

Harolds reply. Research has shown that very thing. Of course, how far are they moving it? It may not be out of there home range either.
 
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