Platty Daddy Awareness

[radera5]

I'll try to keep this short and sweet-

I bred a Butter Daddy male to a normal female and I hit some great odds.
1.1 Butters and 1.5 Het Daddy's.

The Daddy gene in my opinion; at times acts like a recessive, it's listed on WOBP as a Dom (wrong) and from everything I have gathered from talking to others in the project, it's actually a co dom. (inc dom)

So, Het Daddy's appear normal but will react with BluEL complex males.
If you breed a Het Daddy X Mojave the possibilities are:
25% normal
25% Het Daddy
25% Mojave
25% Platinum Mojave. (Mojave Daddy)

-Visual Daddy's can not be reproduced when bred to a normal like a Bumble Bee can.

When you breed a visual Daddy, in my case a Butter Daddy x Mojave the possibilities are:
25% Het Daddy
25% Butter
25% BEL (Mojave/Butter)
25% Platinum Mojave (Mojave Daddy)

This is the same with Phantom/Mystic, Lesser/Butter, Mojave, Russo, and any I might have missed. It works alot like the Special does; reacting with BEL animals to create Crystals.


Now the odd thing is when you breed a Het Daddy x Het Daddy you don't get any visual Daddy stuff. This seems to throw a ton of people off. It also seems there is just no form of Daddy as a single gene by itself. I have noticed that all the Het Daddy's I hatched out look similar in many ways.
Maybe these are just 'markers', or maybe it was just a coincidence?
It's one of the true hidden gene's and only reacts with certain things. Very unusual.


Ralph proved all this out 12 years or so ago I believe. (give or take, I can't remember off the top of my head right now)

Since hatching these, I've offered a few for sale and each and every ad I make gets me a long line of questions and doubters.
Now I don't mind questions even considering many could be answered by doing a simple Google search but I figured maybe starting a discussion will get some others thoughts on this unique gene and maybe raise some overall awareness on the project.

I've been in debates with people almost daily for the last 3 or 4 weeks over these. Is it a morph? Is it recessive or inc dom? It's about time a public discussion gets started.

Here is a link from Susan over in the UK who works with Ralph and handles all his overseas sales, it has a lot of really good info on the project so if you do not know about Daddy stuff already, please take a moment to read through this short thread to form an opinion.
http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...addy-gene.html

Thanks for reading, if nothing else, hopefully at least a few people who haven't even heard of the project will gain something from this.

First Pic- Visual Butter Daddy
Second Pic- Het Daddy

 

[Ohhwataloser]

The Daddy gene in my opinion; at times acts like a recessive, it's listed on WOBP as a Dom (wrong) and from everything I have gathered from talking to others in the project, it's actually a co dom. (inc dom)

While we could debate whether the morph looks different enough from normal to call it visual or not (which personally I believe it is from the picture I have seen on RDR's site) I don't think there is much debate on it being classified as Dominant. Forget the trade term "Dominant" which at best is used as "not recessive"

A true Dominant trait looks the same in heterozygous and homozygous form. Assuming it being in the same complex as the other BEL morphs (which I see zero reason to doubt), RDR proved it Dominant with his platty x platty breedings. First one I know of in 2007 clutch 76 in his records http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/birthing_record/pythons_8_07.asp

This pairing would result in 3 possible snakes:

Male:	-	Platinum​
Female:	-	Platinum​
Percent	Fraction	Traits
25%	1/4	Super Daddy Gene
50%	1/2	Platinum
25%	1/4	Blue Eyed Leucistic
View Results Page​

Obviously the snake is not a BEL or Platty, so the only other option is the homozgyous daddy. IMO it looks the same as the heterozygous daddy, if anyone wants to debate that feel free. It may look different when paired with other genes, but it still looks the same in heterozygous and homozygous form, the definition of Dominant.

So from everything I can see, it is a true Dominant morph and not just the trade "not recessive" version of it or as I would call it "unproven dominant"

 

[CornNut]

Yes, I've always struggled with even what the name of this mutation is much less what to classify it as. I see the point for calling it dominant but it's different than say pinstripe in that it's never visible (to me anyway). Did Ralph or anyone else ever breed out the assumed homozygous hidden animals, maybe to a homozygous lesser to produce 100% platy daddy as proof they are what they are predicted to be? I don't doubt they would prove, just would be nice to hear of it.