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im starting to see alot of ad's for dragons that are super tangerine or super citrus ect ect is this just a marketing tactic or are these really super forms
i can understand if you breed a red x red and get a dragon with more red but is that really super
thanks mike
 
A super form can be expressed by breeding 2 co-doms together such as 2 italian leathetrbacks the resulting super form is the silkback.

You can not produce a super form by breeding 2 recessive dragons together such as citrus x citrus or translucent x translucent.

In my opinion it is a marketing ploy used by some.:(
 
yeah seems that way i figured it was a way to describe dragons with higher colors
but i didnt know the color phases were recessive thought only hypo and trans in dragons were recessive (not including wilblits and axantic those are too new for me to know anything about)
 
A better name might be "Extreme" as opposed to "Super" when it comes to the beardie colors. IMO
 
i thought the use of high red or high yellow etc was a great way the term super too often in reptiles means the super form of things like with silks,blue eyes lucy's but yea even extreme would be better to use then super
local to me on craigs list a guy was selling a super citrus female sub adult for $300 it looked to me like a high colored citrus i didnt want to insult him and ask about something i didnt understand
 
I agree with all the above!! I have also found several ads saying het for leather, I really feel people should do thier homework before presenting (or breeding for that matter) any speciese. It is truely dissapointing to see people lacking experience breeeding and selling such beautifull animals. We all had to start somewher but it is the person who is willing to put in the work that will rise above in the reptile community.

A super form can be expressed by breeding 2 co-doms together such as 2 italian leathetrbacks the resulting super form is the silkback.

You can not produce a super form by breeding 2 recessive dragons together such as citrus x citrus or translucent x translucent.

Thank you Ed for clarifying so well:)
 
Extreme is a good descriptive term that would describe a dragon completely saturated with color.

An overused term is hold backs. it makes me laugh when I see someone post 4 ads in a row describing each average looking dragon as a hold back.wonder who they think they are fooling? :)

KelliH said:
A better name might be "Extreme" as opposed to "Super" when it comes to the beardie colors. IMO
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You also have the other end of it with people using snow,Lucy, or even micro scaled I think of micro scaled as a lower end leatherback
Seems alot of terms that ate really basic just used to market them better
 
Ok i think micro scale leathers kick a@@!! Matter of opinion lol. Another one is saying its a sandfire, just because its from sandfire dragon ranch does not make it a "sandfire" on color or quality LOL
 
oh i like micro scaled also but u get them from leather breeding they kinda middle the clutch i guess lower grade leather was a bad way to describe them
well wasnt sandfire a way to describe dragon from the ranch then people started saying sandfire because colors were similar
i still would like to know what makes a snow they look like hypos to me
 
There are distinct Sandfire bloodlines. Bob was the man that started the red phases in the early 1990's. I was very lucky to meet his veterinarian Rick A. as the red phase was being developed by Bob M..Rick had acquired a good size group of sub adults and adults from Bob that he sold to me very early in the development stages of the red phase dragons.

Funny thing about that group of reds is that they all were missing tails,toes,legs. they bred and bred and bred. it was so cool keeping dragons back then as not many people had them.
 
A true micro leather is a visual recessive leather on top of a visual italian or american leatherback. I attached a pics of micro and a rec. leathers. Micros also have wrinkly skin on their torso. There is a lot of mis-representation out there. I'm seeing a lot of grey dragons sold as "silver".

Josh
 

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so a micro scaled would be more of a visual het for leather then a true leather
im not to well versed in dragon morphs but i was under the impression that a co dom or dom gene wouldnt have hets just recessive traits would have hets
if thats the case the wouldnt all non leather dragons in leather breeding have a chance to produce leathers or if bred with a leather could produce silks
but as for colors im seeing alot of different things like lavender,green,purple,silver and i really dont know what to think of alot of them not to say they are not nice looking dragons but alot seems to be very exaggerated but then again i guess thats advertising lol
 
ED's right, there are both codominant and recessive leathers. Recessive leathers only have a smooth torso. The rest of the body has regular(wild type) spiny scales.

Micro leathers are created the same way as a trans leather or hypo leather. Hypo and trans are recessive traits, like the recessive leather.

Josh
 

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Oh really, Ed?

There are distinct Sandfire bloodlines. Bob was the man that started the red phases in the early 1990's. I was very lucky to meet his veterinarian Rick A. as the red phase was being developed by Bob M..Rick had acquired a good size group of sub adults and adults from Bob that he sold to me very early in the development stages of the red phase dragons.
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Anyone that believes this, feel free to check out the following thread:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176324&highlight=clark+90's :shootfoot
 
pdragon said:
ED's right, there are both codominant and recessive leathers. Recessive leathers only have a smooth torso. The rest of the body has regular(wild type) spiny scales.

Micro leathers are created the same way as a trans leather or hypo leather. Hypo and trans are recessive traits, like the recessive leather.

Josh
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Josh I love your work. One of these days I have to get some dragons from you; they are always amazing.

OK I'm done kissing ass LOL :thumbsup:
 
dillon eds past is not relevant here this is a discussion about whats going on today and all of the facts hes provided have been on point
ed has been nice to me and has answered any questions ive had
this is not for a sale or trade so no need to put anyone down this is more trying to make people aware of over,exaggerated advertising, or possible false info made in ads that are coming up all to frequent im new and has been very confusing on some level for me i was hoping this thread would shed some light on it
 
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