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The truth about Blue tegus!!

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The Blue tegu’s origin is scientifically unknown, however thought to be (Tupinambis merianae) by many, including myself. This would be a different local, or subspecies of the Tupinambis merianae. It is said that they can be found in Brazil, and Colombia, however there has been photos taken of them in La Pampa, as well as French Guiana. This would be an area many miles apart and would suggest a very large range. Some of the common names for the Blues are Blue Tegu, Powder Blue Tegu, Blue Albino Tegu, Albino Tegu, and Snow Tegu.

I do not agree with albinism in reptiles that require ultraviolet lighting, in my opinion this is nothing but the creation of a very cruel morph. Albinism is well known for being less tolerant to bright lights, it is torturing these animals to keep them alive. I do not have a problem with nocturnal animals, such as geckos, and snakes with the albino traits due to them lacking the need for lighting.

The Blue tegus that are available in the pet trade are not animals that I desire as a breeder, or promote as pets. They are very inbred, due to the very small gene pool that was first imported into the United States. The original animals were said to be a very small number of six hatchlings. These were imported as Tupinambis teguixin, but were found by the importer to be unlike the normal Tupinambis teguixin they were received before. This makes these animals very prone to undesirable traits, thus the albinism, toes that do not bend, over bites and under bites, also blindness has been found to be very present in these animals. For a few years now there has been very light colored albino blue tegus sold as snow tegus. The snows do not exist in this species, but rather a very light albino. There has never been any Melanistic tegus to produce this morph, it has been found when breeding these false snows that they produce albinos, rather then snows. There have never been any other Blue tegus imported into the United States except these very few; this is something to keep in mind when choosing your animal
 
varnyard said:
The Blue tegu’s origin is scientifically unknown, however thought to be (Tupinambis merianae) by many, including myself. This would be a different local, or subspecies of the Tupinambis merianae. It is said that they can be found in Brazil, and Colombia, however there has been photos taken of them in La Pampa, as well as French Guiana. This would be an area many miles apart and would suggest a very large range. Some of the common names for the Blues are Blue Tegu, Powder Blue Tegu, Blue Albino Tegu, Albino Tegu, and Snow Tegu.

I do not agree with albinism in reptiles that require ultraviolet lighting, in my opinion this is nothing but the creation of a very cruel morph. Albinism is well known for being less tolerant to bright lights, it is torturing these animals to keep them alive. I do not have a problem with nocturnal animals, such as geckos, and snakes with the albino traits due to them lacking the need for lighting.

The Blue tegus that are available in the pet trade are not animals that I desire as a breeder, or promote as pets. They are very inbred, due to the very small gene pool that was first imported into the United States. The original animals were said to be a very small number of six hatchlings. These were imported as Tupinambis teguixin, but were found by the importer to be unlike the normal Tupinambis teguixin they were received before. This makes these animals very prone to undesirable traits, thus the albinism, toes that do not bend, over bites and under bites, also blindness has been found to be very present in these animals. For a few years now there has been very light colored albino blue tegus sold as snow tegus. The snows do not exist in this species, but rather a very light albino. There has never been any Melanistic tegus to produce this morph, it has been found when breeding these false snows that they produce albinos, rather then snows. There have never been any other Blue tegus imported into the United States except these very few; this is something to keep in mind when choosing your animal

I agree. I think it would be very bad for albinos to have to deal with the very intense light required to house them indoors (even outside in the sun) when they are very sensitive to light. Even my albino ball only goes in the shade if I take her outside and I very rarely take her out due to the birght sun.

I had heard that snow tegus were really just a faded type of albino but so far you are the only person to ever come forward. Do they really only produce albino offspring and no snows like I've heard? I think it's terrible to ask the price difference for an albino vs a snow tegu by not actually stating they are just faded albinos. Now that you mention it, I have never seen the other half of the snow mix ever been offered for sale.

As far as blue tegus are concerned, I have seen some that look a lot like B&W ones and some that look like what you would expect a typical blue to look like. Do you think the various looks also contribute to the confusion or is it because some are working out outcross the animals and the newer offspring are not as "blue"? The last one I saw at the local shop would literally bump into things in it's enclosure but I never thought it could be blind. I just figured it was kinda clumsy.
 
No Steve, it was blind, as many others I have seen the same way. As for coming forward, who better than me? :shrug01: I am just tired of the breeders that know the history of them hiding the facts. Somehow they seem to think, what people don't know won't hurt them. Me on the other hand think people should know the truth and than have the choice to choose if they want an animal that might just come with many problems due to the history of inbreeding so heavy.

I just want people to understand why I do not and will not breed this species. It just goes against everything I stand for as one of the top breeders of tegus. I will continue to keep my animals pure and free from any type of inbreeding.

Now don't get me wrong, I think the high white Blues are awesome looking, I just cannot get past their history.
 
I've been out of the loop on Tegu's for a while, but last I recall was that Ron St. Pierre was the only one producing and selling the snows - Is this still correct ? - I agree with your point that albinism in an animal that also requires uv is kinda screwing with fate, but should not for the sake of those already out there, be a higher intake of a D3 supplement to perhaps assist in the functionality and development of these animals ?
 
Mike P. said:
I've been out of the loop on Tegu's for a while, but last I recall was that Ron St. Pierre was the only one producing and selling the snows - Is this still correct ? - I agree with your point that albinism in an animal that also requires uv is kinda screwing with fate, but should not for the sake of those already out there, be a higher intake of a D3 supplement to perhaps assist in the functionality and development of these animals ?

Ask him; however, I doubt you will get a response.
 
varnyard said:
Ask him; however, I doubt you will get a response.

Hell - I could not get a response from him a few years back, after multiple attempts to purchase Tegu's from him, so I'm sure I would not get a response to a question posed as such lol - Good luck Bobby ;)
 
Mike, D3 is not the answer. You can overdose an animal with it, it can and will kill tegus if overdosed. This was never told, also D3 cannot be used to substitued for UV lighting. Tegus require UV, there is no way around that due to the studies I have done.

As for contact, I will not waste my time on that. The truth is out there for anyone who wants it, I just wanted everyone to know why I do not breed Blues, as well as the truth behind them.

Also, you can not have a snow in a species without having a Melanistic first. There never was any Melanistics to create this morph in tegus.
 
This is not the "truth about blue tegus". This is simply your opinion. You are certainly allowed your opinion. But please don't mislead the public into thinking that these are facts. There's a big difference between fact and opinion. As a breeder of normal, snow and albino blue tegus, I can tell you for a FACT (based on actual experience and not just "what I think" or "what someone told me") that you're wrong about many of your statements. But I'm not here to argue with you. I just happened on this post and wanted to make it clear to the public that just because you have certain opinions, that doesn't make them true.
 
RiversideReptiles said:
This is not the "truth about blue tegus". This is simply your opinion. You are certainly allowed your opinion. But please don't mislead the public into thinking that these are facts. There's a big difference between fact and opinion. As a breeder of normal, snow and albino blue tegus, I can tell you for a FACT (based on actual experience and not just "what I think" or "what someone told me") that you're wrong about many of your statements. But I'm not here to argue with you. I just happened on this post and wanted to make it clear to the public that just because you have certain opinions, that doesn't make them true.
IF you're a breeder of these animals, as in past tense, as in you HAVE produced them, then surely you must have pictures.

If you surely must have pictures of them you surely must be proud of them. If you are proud of them then surely you would not mind posting pictures of these normals, snows and albino blue tegus that you are a "breeder" of.

I look forward to seeing them and thank you in advance for posting them.
 
Feel free to view my web site for pics. I have nothing to hide. I've been working with blue tegus (as well as many other herps) for quite a few years and have many satisfied customers.
 
Let me add that I'm not some giant famous breeder. Nor do I try to be. I breed for the love of the animals, not for money and to have a big name. But I am a moderator on the geckosunlimited.com forums (the largest gecko forum on the net) and I'm well known in the community. Again, I'm not here to argue with anyone. I'm just simply pointing out that there's a difference between calling something the "truth" and having it be opinion.
 
Your site only shows one snow tegu... do you have more pictures that maybe you could post here?
 
This thread isn't about me. And I really don't feel the need to make it about me. If you're simply looking for snow tegu pictures, there's plenty on the web (try google pictures). If you're looking to purchase, I'm sold out for '07 and will have more in fall of '08. 'Nuff said.

Back to the topic at hand. As I said in my original post, Bobby is welcome to his opinion. But don't mistake opinion for being "fact" or "truth".
 
Riverside,

I have to ask, what are you basing your disagreement on? What kind of facts can you bring to the table that supports your opinion on the matter?
 
RiversideReptiles said:
This thread isn't about me. And I really don't feel the need to make it about me. If you're simply looking for snow tegu pictures, there's plenty on the web (try google pictures). If you're looking to purchase, I'm sold out for '07 and will have more in fall of '08. 'Nuff said.

Back to the topic at hand. As I said in my original post, Bobby is welcome to his opinion. But don't mistake opinion for being "fact" or "truth".
This is a two edged sword. You have stated, in a round about way, that Bobby is wrong, that you in FACT produce snows.

Please provide the proof. Pictures of these snows that YOU have produced will suffice nicely.

Where you are a moderator or your motivation for breeding don't really mean a thing as far as whether or not you've got snows or blues.

I'm a mod here. So what? I'm sure my name is known over at geckosunlimited.com. So what?

You've made statements. I doubt the veracity of those statements. I'd like you to provide the proof you say you have.

Please do so.

Thank you.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove here that I've done anything. Believe what you'd like. I won't be trolled into turning this thread into some big thing about me. This is one of the main reasons myself (and many others) don't post to this site. It's not a friendly community where people discuss herp issues. It's a herp related troll board with people looking for a reason to attack others in the community. I've said all that I'm going to say. For those interested in further ON TOPIC discussion into this subject, check out the current thread over at thetegu.com :


http://www.thetegu.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=32948#32948
 
RiversideReptiles said:
I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove here that I've done anything. Believe what you'd like. I won't be trolled into turning this thread into some big thing about me. This is one of the main reasons myself (and many others) don't post to this site. It's not a friendly community where people discuss herp issues. It's a herp related troll board with people looking for a reason to attack others in the community. I've said all that I'm going to say. For those interested in further ON TOPIC discussion into this subject, check out the current thread over at thetegu.com :


http://www.thetegu.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=32948#32948

I read it. The only difference is once someone disagrees with you there they are banned.


It's not a friendly community where people discuss herp issues. It's a herp related troll board with people looking for a reason to attack others in the community. I've said all that I'm going to say. For those interested in further ON TOPIC discussion into this subject, check out the current thread over at thetegu.com :

Then quit trolling here to bring people to another site.
 
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RiversideReptiles said:
I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove here that I've done anything. Believe what you'd like. I won't be trolled into turning this thread into some big thing about me. This is one of the main reasons myself (and many others) don't post to this site. It's not a friendly community where people discuss herp issues. It's a herp related troll board with people looking for a reason to attack others in the community. I've said all that I'm going to say. For those interested in further ON TOPIC discussion into this subject, check out the current thread over at thetegu.com :


http://www.thetegu.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=32948#32948
It's commonly heard from people who make claims they cannot back up that this site is unfriendly.

YOU made the claim about producing snows. I have made NO rude comments to you at all. I'd genuinely like to see pictures of actual snow Tegus. I'd like to know what genetic road was travelled to arrive at them. I have kept tegus in the past and may well do so in the future. I like them.

It's not my fault that you make claims here and then have someone ask you to back them up and you can't.

IF you have produced snow tegus, please post some pics.

IF you're caught in a bit of exaggeration, just say so and I'll let it go.

Have you or have you not got the proof to back up your claim?
 
All 110% fact, ask Ron to show you proof they were imported by him, they were not. You have proof of a Melanistic blue tegu? You must have them to produce true Snows, there never were any, not one.

So tell me one more time, how do you have Snows again?
 
RiversideReptiles said:
I'm sorry, but I don't feel the need to prove here that I've done anything. Believe what you'd like. I won't be trolled into turning this thread into some big thing about me. This is one of the main reasons myself (and many others) don't post to this site. It's not a friendly community where people discuss herp issues. It's a herp related troll board with people looking for a reason to attack others in the community. I've said all that I'm going to say.


Asking for information on Blue Tegus is trolling and unfriendly? I asked nothing about you personally, I simply asked for any facts that would support your position on the matter of Blue Tegus.

Instead of a providing any info you refer to me as an unfriendly troll that is attacking you personally. Where you got all of that from my simple request for information about Blue Tegus is beyond me.
 
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