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Update- Champagne x Woma Breeding?? Starting to hatch

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Has anyone either produced or know of someone that has produced Champagne Womas? I should have done more research prior but.. I didn't! I paired my Pastel Champagne Male with a late breeder Woma Female late last season. I ended up getting (6) good eggs which are at day 52 and I just cut them all to take a peek inside. I have (2) almost all white animals, (2) that are mostly white with some light yellow blotches, (1) Orange looking animal and a Pastel Woma. I am assuming that I have 2 Pastel Woma Champs, 2 Pastel Champ and a woma Champ (the orange one). I know that the Spider x Champ is a lethal Combo as well as the HGW x Champ. I never really heard anything about a regular woma x Champ pairing until recent. Are they lethal as well or just problematic with major head wobbles? I have seen a few pictures of some Woma Champs that appeared to have some size to them. At this point I'm not sure what to expect. I know my odds for this pairing turned out well in the number of doubles and triples made. Anyone that has experience with this pairing, please let me know your results.

Thanks,

Jason Weinrich
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Starting to Hatch!

Well the first Combo is out. I believe it is a Champagne Woma. I do have (3) other combos still in the egg. It looks like I may have hit the triple (twice). She is out and moving around but, does not appear to be 100%. Not as responsive as I would hope. I am crossing my fingers because she is looks even better in person!
 

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I have heard not to breed Spiders, Womas, Champagnes and Sables to each other. I imagine it will end up in a similar situation as the Super Champagne.

Dave
 
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I haven't heard anything, either. I sure hope they're doing well and that there's no problem with it. Those are awesome combos!

Pics of the clutch out of the eggs? If they're not out, what's taking so long!!!? hahaha That's always to toughest part of the waiting for me.

Congrats, and good luck!
 
All Out!

They all hatched out, I was really surprised how quickly the regular Champs colored up within the last 48 hours prior to leaving the egg. Out of (6) good eggs, I ended up with 2 Champs, 1 pastel Woma, 1 Pastel Champ and (2) either woma champs or pastel woma champs. Prior to breeding, I did not find much info on the Champ x Woma combos. Jimmy (SW Reptiles) Claims to have a proven breeder male (WomaChamp) so I gave it a go. Dave, you are correct! The (2) woma champ combos I made are alive, are moving around well but, they do not look to be 100%. They each appear to have some neurological issues! I should know more after they shed and are offered food. I have more pics of the clutch on my facebook page: Morph Jungle

Thanks,

Jay
 
Quick Update.

Thanks for the comments- After attempting to feed the (2) Pastel Woma Champs on their own, both refused (2) times. Last night I gave in and assist fed (not force feed) both rat pinks. They both took them. I am not giving up yet! Earlier last season I hatched a pair of (twin) Ivories that weighed 17 and 19 grams. They both required a little special care at first but eventually started to take off and were both sold off once they were over 130 grams. I have additional updated pictures of the clutch on my facebook page: Morph Jungle
 
First Survivors

I actually had a conversation with Jimmy (SWReptiles) regarding this combo. He informed me that he had mixed results with this particular combo. Some are a train wreck and others have done fine. He also claims to have an adult male that is a good breeder? So, I will just keep my fingers crossed. :thumbsup:
 
I hope they turn it around and start doing well for you...they look awesome!

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Updated Clutch Pics 4/30

Sorry, I didn't mean to bump my own thread but some have asked for updated clutch pictures. As you can see the combos are still alive and have taken assisted food. The (2) regular Champs and the Pastel Champ are flawless and have already taken their third meal (rat fuzzy's). The (2) woma champs or pastel woma champs do have Neurological issues. They are not solid animals and I would not recommend attempting to pair Champange x Woma. These girls will be a challenge for me to see if I can at least get them feeding on their own. They are almost (3) weeks old. I think if they were going to perish, they would have done so already. I am actually only keeping (1). I have offered the other to my good friend Dale Porcher, DVM. I figured if either has a chance on making it, Dale would be the best guy to see that happen. He is an excellent Vet and a great snake breeder as well!
 

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Quick Update- Both are still alive and eating!

To answer some of the questions, there were a total of (5) champagnes/combos produced in the clutch. The Champagnes and Pastel Champagnes hatched out 100% perfect, took their first meal (rat fuzzy's) on their own and are thriving. They are on their 7th meal. Regarding the Pastel Woma Champagnes...Well they may be taking the short bus to school. They both do still display neurological issues but they have each taken their (4th) assist fed meal. They have been offered live food, but have not eaten on their own. Their last feeding was by far the easiest, I only placed the head of a small rat fuzzy in their mouth, gently closed their mouth and they did the rest. Maybe there is still hope? I don't think they will ever be solid animals, but it would be great if we can get them to start eating on their own. I personally think if they were going to perish, something would have happened by now.

Regarding the HGW & HGWG crosses with Champagnes, I have not done it but several have and from what I have heard, the results are worse than my experience (I would NOT recommend that particular pairing)
 
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