Wendy Griffin- HORRIBLE WOMAN!

[Manhattan Herps]

steve, in the picture she sent me he didnt look as sickly, the picture she has been showing is the one she sent and is obviously older since the dragon that showed up was very skinny its eyes where sunken in and it was very lethargic even after 3 days in a 110 degree basking spot, he would move to the coolerside somtimes..i notified wendy the day it got here that i was unhappy and thinking about sending it bak, but i decided to keep it for 3-4 days to check him out and make sure he was eating, she agreed to that, i then notified her friday or saturday night that i would be sending him back monday afternoon

as for a vet he had only defecated a tiny bit diharrea(sp?)
and the vet here is not a specialized reptile vet he can only do fecals if he would have defecated again in the time i had him i would have definatly taken a sample in to get it checked, when i take a leos fecal sample in he needs to send it to a lab to varify it, and that usually takes 3 days all by itself, so where would that have left me?

i do realize that i definatly should have taken it to a vet, and will not make that mistake again

the nearest herp vet i know of is in long island im in the city

as for that spoon...wendy..please..i need to find my measuring tape

 

[Double "D" Reptiles]

I was just curious...

About the 2 pictures containing the spoons. So, I went and looked at them again. The first one, used as reference next to the deceased beardie is on page 6 of this thread. Wendy's is on page 31. This is so that everyone can look for themselves and compare to the following information.

1. Standard countertops, whether kitchen or bath or elsewhere, have 1 1/2" faces (the part on the front where it meets the cabinets. This allows kitchen cabinets to be a standard 36" high at the "use surface". If you don't believe me, check out yours at home. You've then should have a standard 18" between your countertop and the bottom of your regular wall cabinets.

2. Based upon this measurement, I looked again at the spoon on page 6 and it still appears to be a regular teaspoon (the smaller one in your basic sets.) The countertop edge has a thin piece of wood (wood-like) moulding that appears to be either 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, though it really looks like 1/2" to me...and I design and build custom cabinets for a living.

3. The spoon on page 31 is a tablespoon based upon the measurements next to the tape measure. Also, based upon the end of the tape measure that is shown and it's size based upon both the spoon and the tablecloth, it appears to be a basic 16' Tape rather than a smaller 10-12" or the larger 25' tapes.

4. My conclusion, the earlier idea that the spoons were the same size is false. The size suggested by the original poster as to the beardie's size holds more weight as evidence in this particular case. The counter-claim as to size is thus thrown out for lack of verifiable evidence.

Sorry, Wendy, but this is just a bad stroke that doesn't go well in your favor. Wish I'd have seen this and posted earlier as it could have saved at least 2 useless pages in this thread.

David

 

[E2MacPets]

steve, in the picture she sent me he didnt look as sickly, the picture she has been showing is the one she sent

So you are confirming that you agreed to a trade for this animal based on seeing the picture that everyone here has universally agreed shows a very unhealthy animal?

i notified wendy the day it got here that i was unhappy and thinking about sending it bak, but i decided to keep it for 3-4 days to check him out and make sure he was eating,

So you conducted a business transaction, were unhappy with the animal you recieved (which you had full knowledge of having been in poor health based on the picture that she showed you), and delayed in completing the transaction one way or the other? And your reason for delaying was that you felt you could nurse the animal back to health, or what? You did not however bring the animal to the vet. You had enough faith in your own knowledge of bearded dragons that you felt it was imperative you confirm the animal was eating before completing a transaction.

as for a vet he had only defecated a tiny bit diharrea(sp?)
and the vet here is not a specialized reptile vet he can only do fecals

Well I wouldn't expect you'd find too many reptile vets in a city where it is illegal to keep reptiles. However for the sake of your own collection, wouldn't you want to know if you brought a diseased animal into the house so you could watch for symptoms in other animals in case your quarentine procedures had failed?

if he would have defecated again in the time i had him i would have definatly taken a sample in to get it checked, when i take a leos fecal sample in he needs to send it to a lab to varify it, and that usually takes 3 days all by itself, so where would that have left me?

It would have left you with a conclusive answer to what was ailing the bearded dragon if it was anything beyond poor husbandy. As I just said above, it would also provide you with the first line of defense [knowledge] in preventing any illness from spreading if your quarentine was not adequate. And obviously it would give you a clear case against Wendy.

As it stands now, you acknowledge having seen the picture of the bearded where it appears quite unhealthy, prior to agreeing to the trade. You had a good inclination of what you were getting yourself into.

i do realize that i definatly should have taken it to a vet, and will not make that mistake again

the nearest herp vet i know of is in long island im in the city

Indeed... no herp vets in a city where herps are illegal.

You know I would have helped you out if logistics were a problem getting to the vet on the island, I could have swung by or picked you up from a trainstation or something.

 

[Bringerofdoom]

i would almost agree steve, but you see how she spins lies here. imagine the lines she probably fed him the line that it was a healthy reptile. in her own words she claimed it was healthy happy and fat on here.

 

[E2MacPets]

i would almost agree steve, but you see how she spins lies here. imagine the lines she probably fed him the line that it was a healthy reptile. in her own words she claimed it was healthy happy and fat on here.

Yes but you can't judge his actions based on the merit of her actions.

I feel no pity for Dan choosing to conduct a trade for an animal he could visually identify as being sickly, and then even after recieving it being unsure it merited returning. What were his motivations for both actions? Why was this animal such a good deal for him that even after seeing a picture of an unhealty animal he agreed to the trade?


I feel pity for Wendy being such an unethical nutcase, though

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

i would almost agree steve, but you see how she spins lies here. imagine the lines she probably fed him the line that it was a healthy reptile. in her own words she claimed it was healthy happy and fat on here.

Doom, Here is my email offering to trade him and it had the picture attached:

I could trade the orange male for him, I paid $55 plus shipping for him but he needs to put on more weight.

PICTURE

He is about 8 months now and was in shed in that picutre, his orange is starting to come in around his face and on his legs.

Thanks
Wendy

dragonflyreptiles.com


Another Email reply

From dan: whats your gurantee?

and do you have any females?


My reply:
I have a 2 year old proven sandfire gold female and a 22 month old proven Hypo Pastel X Sandfire Yellow female
Live arrival and 3 day health

Reply after he got him ans was unhappy:

He is healthy, I did let you know he needed to put on more weight in one of my emails but he should in no way be on the verge of deal, he is a great eater but was cooled with my others and is getting back to a good size now.


Another after he got him and said he was unhappy:

Ive never taken him to the vet but as far as I know he is fine, he is very active, eats well on veges, pellets, large mealworms and a few crix, he does not prefer crickets but does eat them. He drinks tons of water, I have a glass pie dish in the cage that he gets in and soaks and drinks several times a day.


Not sure if that helps but those were my replies to Dan before and after the dragon was shipped.

 

[Manhattan Herps]

he didnt look all that bad to me steve, the picture was smaller than it is posted here, being in an email, he didnt look that skinny, his eyes where not sunken in in the picture, thats why it was such a big surprise and why i was unhappy when i opened the box

wendy, your dead dragon will be sent back to you tommorow when the ups guy comes again, i have nothing to hide

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Live arrival and 3 day health

wow you dont expect anything to live long in your care if you only give a 3 day health guarantee. most people give a MINIMAL 7 day gurantee, some people give upto 30 days.........

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

wow you dont expect anything to live long in your care if you only give a 3 day health guarantee. most people give a MINIMAL 7 day gurantee, some people give upto 30 days.........

MOST give live arrival only with temp conditions, sign for package at door etc

SOME give 3-7 days in addition to live arrival

Ive never seen anything longer than 7 days but I don't buy from many people so if some give 30 days that is great!

Everyone Ive ever bought from requires the animal to be sent back upon receipt if you are not satisfied

And everyone I have ever bought from requires you to be 18 years of age to purchase and/or do trades

 

[LotsaPetsGarfHt]

OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

Wendy,
Get over the age thing he has proven to be at least as mature (probably more so) as you are. HE'Sunder18, HE'Sunder18, HE'Sunder18....so what! The bottom line is the dragon you sent was not healthy, get over it. Forget about it, stop continuing to make a fool out of yourself.

BTW I give a 14 day health guarantee, along with live arrival. I have also refunded money on some animals that I shouldn't have due to extreme stupidity on the buyers part it would have been easier to give them another animal but unfair to the animals.

 

[Tom Chambers]

Does it really matter at this point? I wrote Wendy off as a seller OR as a buyer back about page 6 when it was obvious that she cannot see beyond the end of her nose.

Amazing how much time people have and how they will ruin their rep over a $30 pissing contest!

LOL

TC

 

[E2MacPets]

Re: OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

Get over the age thing he has proven to be at least as mature (probably more so) as you are. HE'Sunder18, HE'Sunder18, HE'Sunder18....so what! The bottom line is the dragon you sent was not healthy, get over it. Forget about it, stop continuing to make a fool out of yourself.

He's under 18, lives in a city where it is illegal to keep herps, and agreed to the trade after seeing the picture which we all have agreed shows a clearly unhealthy animal. He also did not bring the animal to the vet in the many days he possessed it while trying to make up his mind.

That doesn't vindicate Wendy, of course. I don't think any of us will do business with her.

But what exactly is supposed to be accomplished by this thread? What resolution can there be?

Dan has not lost anything, provided he had an adequate quarentine. He agreed to the trade and then didn't ship out his gecko because of remorse over the quality of the animal he received.
Wendy has lost a bearded dragon that she shipped out as part of a trade where she got nothing in return, not even her property returned to her as of yet.

 

[reptilebreeder]

Re: Re: OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

He's under 18, lives in a city where it is illegal to keep herps,

Wow, I thought those cities that banned Burms and Retics were bad. There's actually cities that have blanket herp bans, including Lizards. That's ridiculous. That's gotta be a major bummer.

 

[Manhattan Herps]

not all herps are illegal in the city, or else pet stores would not be selling leos,tokays,water dragons, chams, beardies, kingsnakes, cornsnakes, anoles and many more

iguanas are banned beacuse of the health issue
large snakes and large monitors are also banned

correct me if i'm wrong steve

 

[reptilebreeder]

Re: Re: OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

That doesn't vindicate Wendy, of course. I don't think any of us will do business with her.

But what exactly is supposed to be accomplished by this thread?

I think if you reversed your two sentences, you answered your own question. Or maybe you were using the Jeopardy format.

 

[E2MacPets]

Re: Re: Re: OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

I think if you reversed your two sentences, you answered your own question. Or maybe you were using the Jeopardy format.

Perhaps, but I've always felt BOI threads should accomplish more than just to warn members....

The fact is, regardless of how poorly Wendy takes care of her animals, she's the one who ended up losing out on this deal.

Dan didn't lose anything because he didn't send any money or animals in return for the animal he recieved.

Instead he kept the animal until it died.
And then he came here to say Wendy was a bad guy.


Surely Wendy sent out an unhealthy animal, and surely her poor shipping practices resulted in undo stress that most likely sent the animal over the edge.

But Dan did not return the animal and Dan did not bring the animal to the Vet.


Dan let the animal die in his care. Dan did not complete his half of the trade, neither did he return the animal and cancel the trade. Dan let the animal die in his care.

 

[Wilomn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: OMG Wendy discard the under 18 thing its a joker and means nothing!

Perhaps, but I've always felt BOI threads should accomplish more than just to warn members....

The fact is, regardless of how poorly Wendy takes care of her animals, she's the one who ended up losing out on this deal.

Dan didn't lose anything because he didn't send any money or animals in return for the animal he recieved.

Instead he kept the animal until it died.
And then he came here to say Wendy was a bad guy.


Surely Wendy sent out an unhealthy animal, and surely her poor shipping practices resulted in undo stress that most likely sent the animal over the edge.

But Dan did not return the animal and Dan did not bring the animal to the Vet.


Dan let the animal die in his care. Dan did not complete his half of the trade, neither did he return the animal and cancel the trade. Dan let the animal die in his care.

This is the EXACT reason why when trading with someone you don't know you get them to ship first. wendy sent crap and she really should have known it and I think she did.

Dan does not have the experiance, from what I have gathered, to know the difference between a very stressed out dragon and one knocking on deaths door. And he shouldn't have to know that difference. He should NEVER have been sent that lizard to begin with.

Had I recieved it I don't know if I would have taken it to the vet myself. I may well have set it up for a few days to see if it came around. ESPECIALLY after having the seller tell me how great the lizard was and how much it was eating and drinking.

wendy got nothing because her end of the deal was worth NOTHING. I believe Dan got the lizard on thurs or fri and it was dead on monday. It's pretty hard to find a good reptile vet on the weekend. I know of two near me and niether of them are in on weekends.

That lizard was DEAD four days after dan reiceved it.

Even if he had wanted to ship the day he got the dragon he shouldn't have. It would have been friday at best that his part of the trade went out which would mean a saturday delivery, very iffy, or sitting around until monday, very likely.

wendy shipped a near dead lizard that she had to know was practically dead. Dan, in part because he's young and probably inexperianced, didn't know right off just how bad that lizard was.

wendy is out a lizard that would have been dead soon had it stayed with her.

Dan is out his new pet, now has the heartbreak of seeing one of his charges die and has had a total nutjob trying to tarnish HIS reputation when he really did nothing wrong except but into her sales pitch.

From my point of view wendy is out nothing and Dan has had all the suffering on his end.

Welcome to the reptile world Dan, sometimes the water is a bit chilly.

 

[dragonflyreptiles]

ESPECIALLY after having the seller tell me how great the lizard was and how much it was eating and drinking.

I told Dan before the dragon was sent that he was eating and drinking well but needed to put on MORE weight.

He received him Wed at 9:57 am decided Saturday to send him back after I aksed him to send him back on both Wed and Thursday on my UPS account and he died late Sunday night.

If he had started to act sick while in my care I would have taken him to the vet and when I told Dan to send him back on Wed I made an apt to take him on Friday just in case he did not send him til Thursday for Friday delivery but Dan decided to keep him so I cancelled the apt Thursday afternoon.

He was properly shipped, in a snake bag with shreaded paper for insulation packed tightly on all sides of the box.

I also had an apt for a death reprot from the vet last week when Dan assured me on this board that he would send him back on Monday and was unable to cancel it since I never got replies from Dan on when he sent it for sure so I had to pay the non cancellation office visit.

Even if sent back now he has been frozen for 10 days and there will no way to get an accurate death report due to tissue damage.

 

[Wilomn]

I told Dan before the dragon was sent that he was eating and drinking well but needed to put on MORE weight.

He received him Wed at 9:57 am decided Saturday to send him back after I aksed him to send him back on both Wed and Thursday on my UPS account and he died late Sunday night.

If he had started to act sick while in my care I would have taken him to the vet and when I told Dan to send him back on Wed I made an apt to take him on Friday just in case he did not send him til Thursday for Friday delivery but Dan decided to keep him so I cancelled the apt Thursday afternoon.

"Just for fun and giggles, could you post proof of this appointment and subsequent cancellation?"

He was properly shipped, in a snake bag with shreaded paper for insulation packed tightly on all sides of the box.

"As you NOW know, this is not the right way to ship, but hey, keep bragging about how well you pack, it's all good."

I also had an apt for a death reprot from the vet last week when Dan assured me on this board that he would send him back on Monday and was unable to cancel it since I never got replies from Dan on when he sent it for sure so I had to pay the non cancellation office visit.

"Do you know what a necropsy is? Why couldn't you cancel this appointment? Can you provide proof? I telephone number or some sort of proof of payment for this appointment? Somehow, I don't think you'll be able to. It would be nice if I was wrong, but how often does that happen?"
Even if sent back now he has been frozen for 10 days and there will no way to get an accurate death report due to tissue damage.

"As has been previously told to you by myself as well as several other members, once frozen, whether ten minutes or ten days, a determinative cause of death cannot be reached."

Have you reached china yet wendy, you've been digging deeper and deeper for quite a while now. Should be soon, yes?

 

[Bringerofdoom]

Wendy will you ever stop posting to this?
C'mon you admitted even putting 3 beardies in brumation (ill assume those 3 pictured in the one picture on this thread) Just so you didnt have to feed them, dont try to lie either THERE IS NO REASON for putting juvinile-sub-adult beardies into brumation other than you not wanting to deal with them (probably had to do with them eating all those crickets you sell on reptibid...). im also willing to bet you didnt properly do it, nor monitored any of the beardies for problems when you did it.

like i said before all you can say about dan is that he is a kid, therefore in your eyes was an easy target. everyone knows most kids seem have no knowledge in reptile care. looking at dans site seeing what bloodlines of leopard geckos he owns, tells me he is better prepared to take care of what he buys. therefore shows he is willing to provide better care to his investments.. other than you wendy who buys imports and others as cheap as you can get them, so that you can add your fee to it and reship it as fast as possible.

from the looks of it what you cant move you just brumate so it dont exceed what you could make........