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Which ball to get?

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I am in love with these two males and am wondering which one you prefer/which one you think I should take home. These are from Bob Clark. If anyone has any input on the morph to choose or the breeder please let me know. I appreciate it, thanks.

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It appears that the coloring is a bit washed out, due to the camera &/or light box, when the pics were taken.

At any rate, BumbleBee (two gene) vs. Pastel Lesser Sugar (three gene).

Everyone has their own, individual, preferences. It is really going to, ultimately, be your choice on what you, yourself, like and what your plans are for it (pet or breeder).

For me, while I love what the Spider gene does, in combos, I do not want to breed Spiders. That, by default, would have me select the Pastel Lesser Sugar.
Although, by looks (and while the BumbleBee is nice), I like the Pastel Lesser Sugar more anyway. Also, there is the benefit of 3 genes vs. 2 genes.
 
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Thank you for the helpful response. This will be just for a pet, but I want to make sure he is a healthy snake without a wobble or other genetic issues. Ultimately, I will choose what I like best, but opinions like these really help my decision making process. Thanks!


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If it is just going to be a pet, why don't you look for a desert combo? The desert gene cleans the colors up and they stay that way. Because of the females not being able to breed the prices have dropped way down. I just gave my last desert to a friends daughter and she was incredible. A desert firefly that did not brown out at all as a adult.
 
I agree with Randy. As far as an amazingly vibrant snake with no health issues (other than fertility issues), I would go with a female desert if you could find one. You can generally get them for cheap, as they cannot be bred. We believe desert females have constricted oviducts, which leads to egg binding and death. As long as you don't breed her, you'll have an outstanding show animal for years to come for a very inexpensive price. You'll have to ask around though, a lot of folks got out of the desert gene because of the fertility issues.
 
All spiders have some amount of wobble, it's inherent to the gene. Some of them have it to a lesser extent, but they all have it.
 
MCMB-2 said:
All spiders have some amount of wobble, it's inherent to the gene. Some of them have it to a lesser extent, but they all have it.
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This is true.
Although, you can find some that don't, physically, exhibit signs.
You would have to ask the breeder/seller if the Spider, or Spider combo, shows physical symptoms, of wobble, and to what extent.

I have a beautiful LesserBee (the only ball, with Spider, in my collection) that shows absolutely no signs of wobble (it is That imperceptible). One cannot tell just by looking at her.
However, genetically, she does carry "wobble" (the genetics for this neurological disorder), since she is a Spider combo. Thus, she Will pass it on to any Spider, or Spider combo, offspring that she would have (if bred).
Those Spider, &/or Spider combo, offspring, again, would, 100%, carry the genetics and would/could, physically, exhibit "wobble", to some extent or another (from imperceptible to obvious).

I had gotten this LesserBee in a package deal (snakes would not be sold separately). I had asked if she showed signs of wobble and, of course (& truthfully), was told that she did not. If she had, I may not have gone through with the deal.
Decided I would keep her, as a pet, because she is beautiful and a fantastic feeder (on f/t).
Alas, after having had her, for a bit, I, recently, decided to part with her, here soon, in a partial trade deal.
Strictly a business decision because I am going to be very sad to see her go.

Bottom line is that, if you are looking for a pet, don't let "wobble" dissuade you from getting a Spider or Spider combo.
If you want one, without (or with imperceptible) physical signs of "wobble", they are out there. Just examine the snake, in person, or, if not in person, ask the breeder/seller to what extent the snake exhibits physical signs.
 
Through the years I have had some spiders that did not show any wobble for a couple years, then all of a sudden it appeared. As many know that it seems to get worse when they are stressed. People assumed it was just feeding. We noticed a few years back that a bee female we had seemed to be ok at my partners house and ate ok. At my place, when I opened the tub it slammed into the sides and was way retarded. We finally realized it was because my building is dark all day and their tubs are grey. When I opened it, the light freaked it out. Back at his place in regular sunlight with clear tubs, it was worse when put towards the top by the brighter light. Being neurological, it makes sense about the different kinds of stress.
 
MCMB-2 said:
All spiders have some amount of wobble, it's inherent to the gene. Some of them have it to a lesser extent, but they all have it.
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Randy F said:
Through the years I have had some spiders that did not show any wobble for a couple years, then all of a sudden it appeared.
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I have also heard of some starting out with a pronounced wobble as babies and then it going away when they get older.

My spider has a very slight wobble, mostly just a minute shake right before a strike.
Her 4 baby bees showed no wobble when they were born.
When they were about 4 months old some more than others showed wobble when striking.
Now they show only slight signs of wobble and mostly when they are striking.
All four of them are otherwise totally healthy and eat anything I give them, without problems.
They also have no problems shedding.
Their pastel sibling has no wobble.

My spinner showed more wobble as a baby than she does now, although it was never very significant from the start.

on a side note:
When I was getting into balls, I asked Mike Wilbanks about the wobble; he told me that it does not seem to be a big problem and did not seem to effect the snakes much, if at all, at least in his collection. He also said if he was having problems related to the wobble he would not be working with the spider gene.
I guess the point is to get good founder stock if you plan to breed spider balls
 
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he told me that it does not seem to be a big problem and did not seem to effect the snakes much, if at all
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The bee I had bought years ago that I spoke about, it effected it. A little while after I bought her she would sit upside down and not try to right herself. She could strike and get fingers at ease upside down. As she got older, it was put the food where you think she may strike because it was nowhere near straight. I have seen and heard about spiders corkscrewing so bad that the only thing to do was cull them.
 
Yeah for that reason I will not be getting a bumblebee or spider gene mutation Python. Even though I am not breeding, the wobble seems sad to me. The corkscrewing is what gets me. I hope they are unaffected, but it seems uncomfortable for them to live their lives like that.


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Randy F said:
The bee I had bought years ago that I spoke about, it effected it. A little while after I bought her she would sit upside down and not try to right herself. She could strike and get fingers at ease upside down. As she got older, it was put the food where you think she may strike because it was nowhere near straight. I have seen and heard about spiders corkscrewing so bad that the only thing to do was cull them.
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I believe it; I have seen some that were pretty bad and severely effected.
I was referring to those that Mike has and his collection exclusively, as per his statement; he may not be having any problems in his collection and his may be relatively unaffected, but the cold hard fact is there are some spiders out there that are really sad cases.
 
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