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Sue Henson

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I don't know how many of you have AOL, but it has come to my attention by several herp loving friends that "Henry Lizrd Lover" likes to give advice on their boards.
 I am madly curious as to what your take is on him.  If you aren't familiar with the name, he is the fellow that likes to pose his iguanas for odd pictures.  But he is recommending doing such things as feeding reptiles nothing but ocean fish based catfood, and stating that reptiles don't suffer from UVB deficiencies.  Or that diurnal lizards need only 30 minutes of basking lights.
I'm looking for any type of feedback here.  Friends are asking whther to take his information seriously or not.  And I'd like to refer them to this board, instead of one that may offer less helpful information.
Sue
 
Anyone who changes his last name to lizardlover should not be trusted.<insert smiley face>
Anyone who completely trusts someone else they really don't know on the Internet by way of message boards should think twice about their motives. Reptile shows and societies are still the best sources (besides books) and why not email someone from a zoo that raises the animals?
 
I don't know Mr Lizard Lover (personally I think Sue meant that as an AOL screen name and not really that he had his name changed) but I am sure a fish based cat food is probably loaded with nutrients and would substain a reptile if you could get it to eat it (personally wouldn't do this as I think the cat food would smell worse than our cricket bucket  <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ). I have also talked with a number (albeit small number) on forums that stated they we're raising their chams without UVB (relying more on D3 supplementation). Not saying it's right but that there is a school of thought out there leaning that way. Compared to other domesticated animals, reptile husbandry knowledge at a "pet" level is minimal and there is a lot of conflicting data. You really have to use common sense to wade through all the information. If your at the novice level it's safer to go with the standards of husbandry but as you gain experience you can start studying new methods and experimenting.
 
Actually dwedeking, he did change his name to Lizardlover.  I've seen him on TCL's Amazing Animals show a couple of times.  They toured his house on one of the shows and displayed his entire setup.  It's no wonder he doesn't think reptiles need UV, his iggy's have a room to themselves with huge windows and plenty of light, they also have access to an outdoor run, they get enough on their own he probably isn't even thinking about that when he says they need no UV, he probably doesn't realize how much UV his animals are actually getting.
 
Daniel, he actually had his name legally changed to "Henry Lizard Lover."  
 I ask about the catfood thing because he's recommended that we can feed insectivores a fish based diet all the time.  Also that you don't need to feed them insects at all.  Add to that the additives and preservatives that canned catfood has. I wonder if that is healthy for a reptile to ingest, since it isn't really healthy for even humans to. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
 I opened this for discussion not because I trust everything I read on boards, but more as a debatable subject, and to maybe see if anyone has anything legitamately nice about Mr. Lizard Lover.
 Hlynn, he told someone that they didn't need to offer any sort of UV, and said if they wanted to give it to them, to "Put the reptile in a glass enclosure and leave them outside".  Now, in California, it gets pretty hot in the sun, and glass amplifies heat......You see where I am going with this, right?  Much like you aren't supposed to leave live animals or small children in the car in a parking lot (because the intense heat and lack of air can damage them), couldn't this happen with a snake or lizard sitting in a huge patch of direct sunlight, in a glass cage, with no relief from the sun? Also, alot of modern glass has been polarized, protecting what's on the other side from UV radiation.  Which is why we can drive through a desert with the windows up, but still feel the heat on our arms, but we never tan by doing this, unless you actually roll your car windows down.
 Thank you everyone, for your thoughts.
Sue <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
 
Ok. I have been put in check. Anyone who has their name changed to something as silly as Lizard Lover I would argue with if he said the sky was blue. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
 
Henry Lizardlover, is he still around?  I remember about 6 or 7 years ago (in the ancient age of cyber-herping) He and Melissa Kaplan used to get into these little intense discussions (flame wars) on rec.pets.herp  He had a book out on Iguana care and even did some talk shows (if memory serves, I believe he was even on the tonight show)  He did take a lot of flack for mentioning in front of a national audience that he feeds his Iguanas pizza.  He was always coming up with some controversial care advice and was accused of refridgerating his Iguanas in order to get the photos that you spoke of.   He was a pretty slick writer too. While I don't ever remember him actually denying refridgerating his Ig's  he at least left you with the IMPRESSION that he had denied it (if you know what I mean) I've got to admit though, his lizards always looked pretty good and healthy.

Mark
 
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I've had some experience with him years back.



He rides the sensationalism and thrives on it but is basically an expert in his own mind and no other......


He's One not to be taken seriously.I can't even begin to tell you how many kids had sick Iggy's because they only offered pizza for food back when that was going around.


My two cents



Ralph Chapman
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sue Henson @ May 24 2002,16:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know how many of you have AOL, but it has come to my attention by several herp loving friends that "Henry Lizrd Lover" likes to give advice on their boards.
 I am madly curious as to what your take is on him.  If you aren't familiar with the name, he is the fellow that likes to pose his iguanas for odd pictures.  But he is recommending doing such things as feeding reptiles nothing but ocean fish based catfood, and stating that reptiles don't suffer from UVB deficiencies.  Or that diurnal lizards need only 30 minutes of basking lights.
I'm looking for any type of feedback here.  Friends are asking whther to take his information seriously or not.  And I'd like to refer them to this board, instead of one that may offer less helpful information.
Sue</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In this post that Sue wrote, she writes that I recommend feeding "reptiles" nothing but fish based canned cat food.  Her statement was not an honest attempt to inform you people on this message board about my recommendations, it was a gross misrepresentation of what I recommend.  I DO NOT recommend feeding all "reptiles" (as it implies) nothing but fish based canned cat food.  

I do however, recommend feeding fish based canned cat food plus other items for some insect eating lizards such as the Schnieder skinks.  There are many different kinds of reptiles, I recommend different foods for different lizards and have never made a blanket statement applying to all reptiles.  Sue has too much angry towards me to give an honest representation of my ideas, recommendations, etc.  

This all got started when Sue had noticed a few posts I wrote in my recommendations to someone about Schneider skinks in a skink forum on AOL.  In those posts I offer my practical and workable alternative diet of feeding fish based canned cat food while alternating to include other food items occasionally, such as tofu, fruit, mulched vegetable matter and last but not least, water soaked whole grain bread, to Schneider skinks instead of an insect diet, only as a practical alternative that works outstandingly well, not because I don't know that Scheider skinks eat insects in the wild.  My recommendation is purely practical and based on 15 or more years of experience keeping Scheider skinks.  

Next, Sue stated that I claim reptiles don't suffer from UVB deficiencies.  That is an amazing and vicious misrepresention and NOT what I claim.  All I had stated was that I had never seen any cases of MBD in Schneider skinks and that they apparently don't need as much exposure to UVB as say iguanas for example.  I mentioned on the message board that I had given my Scheider skinks minimal sunning sessions and speculated that there was a possiblity that the D3 in the fish based canned cat food might be a contributing factor.  The bottom line is that I have given my Scheider skinks direct sunning but not much, getting a clear picture that they do very well with minimal amounts.  I have enough practical experience raising this type of lizard to know what works to keep them healthy and feel confident that my recommendations are valid for pet owners.

Next, Sue knows that I was talking specifically about Schneider skinks yet she chose to misrepresent me as making statements about "diurnal lizards" in general, when I was only talking about one specific lizard.  All I was trying to convey was the fact that many of the Schneider skinks only come out from hiding under the sand to bask under a heat lamp for 30 to 60 minutes, then they want to leave it and bury themselves.  That period of basking is usually enough but when I see other Scheider skinks staying out longer to bask, I will obviously leave the light on longer and expect others to use some common sense and do the same.  

That's all for this one,

aloha ness,

Henry Lizardlover

Check out my website if you like at HenryLizardlover.com
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hlynn1975 @ May 24 2002,21:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually dwedeking, he did change his name to Lizardlover.  I've seen him on TCL's Amazing Animals show a couple of times.  They toured his house on one of the shows and displayed his entire setup.  It's no wonder he doesn't think reptiles need UV, his iggy's have a room to themselves with huge windows and plenty of light, they also have access to an outdoor run, they get enough on their own he probably isn't even thinking about that when he says they need no UV, he probably doesn't realize how much UV his animals are actually getting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Heather,

You wrote, it's no wonder he doesn't think reptiles need UV, his lizards have.........

I'm wondering how in the world you could jump to that conclusion?  The very fact that the entire setup as you described is that way is not an accident, it is for the very reason that I know full well that the lizards need exposure to UV.  I learned about the serious importance of UV for lizards back in the early 80's.  Once I found out, I gave my large groups of lizards lots of exposure to direct sun light SAFELY and carefully to avoid over heating them.  I also filled the house with large UVB florescent lights.  In 1992, I started selling my book, Iguana Owner's Manual, which was the first iguana book to place extra emphasis and repetition on the absoute need for providing UV and to emphasize doing it safely and the amounts of sunning that would be effective.

So please do a little more thinking before you jump to absurd conclusions and pass them onto others, not for me sake but for the sake of truth and justice.

aloha,

HenryLizardlover.com
 
I wont go deep into this, but will say he has done one heck of a job of marketing himself to the public. I unfortunately, intensely dislike iguanas and the whole w/c iguana thing, so I dont pay much attention to it all.

                               Fred Albury
                             (Aztec Reptiles)
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hlynn1975 @ May 24 2002,21:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually dwedeking, he did change his name to Lizardlover.  I've seen him on TCL's Amazing Animals show a couple of times.  They toured his house on one of the shows and displayed his entire setup.  It's no wonder he doesn't think reptiles need UV, his iggy's have a room to themselves with huge windows and plenty of light, they also have access to an outdoor run, they get enough on their own he probably isn't even thinking about that when he says they need no UV, he probably doesn't realize how much UV his animals are actually getting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Heather,

You wrote, it's no wonder he doesn't think reptiles need UV, his lizards have.........

I'm wondering how in the world you could jump to that conclusion?  The very fact that the entire setup as you described is that way is not an accident, it is for the very reason that I know full well that the lizards need exposure to UV.  I learned about the serious importance of UV for lizards back in the early 80's.  Once I found out, I gave my large groups of lizards lots of exposure to direct sun light SAFELY and carefully to avoid over heating them.  I also filled the house with large UVB florescent lights.  In 1992, I started selling my book, Iguana Owner's Manual, which was the first iguana book to place extra emphasis and repetition on the absoute need for providing UV and to emphasize doing it safely and the amounts of sunning that would be effective.

So please do a little more thinking before you jump to absurd conclusions and pass them onto others, not for me sake but for the sake of truth and justice.

aloha,

HenryLizardlover.com
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mark Schmidtke @ May 24 2002,22:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He had a book out on Iguana care and even did some talk shows (if memory serves, I believe he was even on the tonight show)  He did take a lot of flack for mentioning in front of a national audience that he feeds his Iguanas pizza.  He was always coming up with some controversial care advice and was accused of refridgerating his Iguanas in order to get the photos that you spoke of.   He was a pretty slick writer too. While I don't ever remember him actually denying refridgerating his Ig's  he at least left you with the IMPRESSION that he had denied it (if you know what I mean) I've got to admit though, his lizards always looked pretty good and healthy.

Mark</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes Mark,

I am still around, still doing TV shows with my lizards, working on a new added line of iguana cards and a new version of my book.

I still feed my iguanas pizza for the TV shows.  Some people have a problem with it, most don't.  Read Jennifer Swofford's website and see what she says about pizza.

The think I wanted to say to you is about your idea of me refridgerating my lizards for the photos of them.  That is a totally false rumor that I have denied ever since I heard about it.  When I first came on the net, I posted a long letter telling people that there are no tricks used at all, no freezing, no druggin, no hypnosis, no chains, no vaga vagal effect, NO tricks of any kind.  I simply have a knowlege of working with lizards that none of the other so called experts know about.
My old website which is still up there at herp.com has the original statement about all the false ideas that people have spread about my lizards and how they pose.  I have posed them on all kinds of live TV shows, there were obviously no frozen lizards.  Just imagine if you had very tame and healthy iguanas and other lizards that you were very proud of and that were incredibly tame, that would sit still like they do in the photos I do of them, but imagine you knowing your lizards are not being frozen or enduring any other tricks or abuses, yet finding people on the net claiming utter falsehoods such as these.  It's really sad that other people have to attack something just because they don't understand or don't know how the lizards would this.  Lots of it is based on jealousy, some of it is based on reacting to things they don't understand.  

Okay, just wanted to let you know, NO tricks.

aloha ness,

HenryLizardlover.com
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sue Henson @ May 24 2002,22:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Daniel, he actually had his name legally changed to "Henry Lizard Lover."  
 I ask about the catfood thing because he's recommended that we can feed insectivores a fish based diet all the time.  Also that you don't need to feed them insects at all.  Add to that the additives and preservatives that canned catfood has. I wonder if that is healthy for a reptile to ingest, since it isn't really healthy for even humans to. <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
 I opened this for discussion not because I trust everything I read on boards, but more as a debatable subject, and to maybe see if anyone has anything legitamately nice about Mr. Lizard Lover.
 Hlynn, he told someone that they didn't need to offer any sort of UV, and said if they wanted to give it to them, to "Put the reptile in a glass enclosure and leave them outside".  Now, in California, it gets pretty hot in the sun, and glass amplifies heat......You see where I am going with this, right?  Much like you aren't supposed to leave live animals or small children in the car in a parking lot (because the intense heat and lack of air can damage them), couldn't this happen with a snake or lizard sitting in a huge patch of direct sunlight, in a glass cage, with no relief from the sun? Also, alot of modern glass has been polarized, protecting what's on the other side from UV radiation.  Which is why we can drive through a desert with the windows up, but still feel the heat on our arms, but we never tan by doing this, unless you actually roll your car windows down.
 Thank you everyone, for your thoughts.
Sue <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's right Sue, had the name change in 1985.


It's all to obvious that SCHNEIDER SKINKS thrive on a diet of insects, this is not something I did not know and I usually tell people that Schneider skinks normally live on a diet of insects.  The point is that I discovered through practice and long term experience they Scheider skinks can do well on fish based canned cat food as the main part of the diet but also practice alternating to other items to get more variety and balance.  This is all about a practical approach and one that avoids the problems and hassle with feeding insects.  The fish based canned cat food with other items such as tofu, water soaked whole grain bread, multched vegetable and fruit are simply an alternative that works well for some insect eating lizards, specifically the Schneider skinks.

As far as the UV, I was merely pointing out that the Schneider skinks don't need a lot of UV, just a little bit of sunning works, this I know from long term experience and observation.  If I was in fact telling people they don't need to offer any UV, then you would not have seen me talking about putting them outside to bask in the sunshine.

Sue has distorted and intentionally misquoted and misrepresented what I said.

This is what I actually wrote: "I do set them outside to bask in direct sunshine once in a while. I would recommend once or twice a week for an hour, but once a month is probably just fine. Always make sure there is safety shade to not kill them in the heat. I use a glass aquarium that has a big screen top and very short sides of glass, this works perfectly well."

I usually warn people about glass aquariums for sunning but it's not impossible to do it with glass aquariums.  The one I was referring to is merely one that has very short sides, only about 5 or 6 inches, with large sreen top.  In this case, most of the sunshine shines in throught the screen top and so the glass presents no problem.  When it comes to iguanas, I always advise pet owners to use bird or rodent cages for sunning, but when it comes to the Schneider skinks, you can't get by so easily using wire cages.  The glass presents no problems when it is used carefully and with common sense.  Like I said, it's about getting the sunshine from above through the screen top.  My statement also made it clear to be careful and make use of some sort of shade to cut down the heat.

HenryLizardlover.com
 
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (The Dark Grove @ May 27 2002,15:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've had some experience with him years back.



He rides the sensationalism and thrives on it but is basically an expert in his own mind and no other......


He's One not to be taken seriously.I can't even begin to tell you how many kids had sick Iggy's because they only offered pizza for food back when that was going around.


My two cents



Ralph Chapman</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hello Ralph,

I'd like to know what experience you had with me in the past as you mentioned.

My only claim is to know enough about raising and rehabiilitating iguanas to live long full lives.  I also claim to be the first one to put out a book that accurately described all of their body language, moods, attitudes, character, intelligence and behavior.  Other than that, I don't know anything about them.

As far as the feeding iguana pizza for TV shows, I don't believe for one second that any iguanas were made sick due to be offered pizza as you say.  No one is stupid enough or willing to put their iguana on a pizza diet.  If you don't believe me that a bite of pizza once in a while presents not danger, go ahead and read Jeniffer Swoffords website about it.

aloha,

HenryLizardlover.com
 
Wow, I'm shocked.  Ithink we referred Henry here about a month ago, but he decided that the BOI wasn't worthy enough to post in.  Of late this man has been frequenting the AOL chatrooms, coming in to deliberately "Set off" the regular chatters and attempting to provoke the people who have developed a dislike for the man.  We have invited him on several occasions to post here, but for a month he has conveniently made up excuses to be busy, despite his constant presence in these chatrooms.
 However, anticipating this day, we have saved several snippets of chatroom conversation for your viewing pleasure.  Here goes:  (Freemason is his AOL handle)
This is his take on scientific education.  I think one of the people in the room asked him what his qualifications were to write a book on care and what his research references were.  He claimed to not need any scientific books or research.
Freemason7: I consider myself an expert on iguana behavior and what works for the diet and care in the home as pets
Freemason7: I say I got information on the diet from top vets, is there something I have to know beyond what the vet say about diet and environment?
Freemason7: you don't need a base in science to ask top vets what is good to feed iguanas, and what other things do they need to be healthy, it's all very simple

This next one was to the question of why he avoids the BOI.  He claimed to not believe in the way people exploit iguanas, because its unfair to farm so many...which iI agree with.  Then he was asked if what he does to iguanas (taking kinky pics of them) wasn't another form of exploitation.

Freemason7: saggy, I do exploit lizards, I love to exploit lizards, I get famous and make money exploiting lizards, what's the problem?
Freemason7: Frankly, I don't get all the importance you place on this BOI message board, but I will answer every one of those posts, it will be fun saggy
Freemason7: Sue honey, BOI is nothing, the real place on the net is the AOL iguana forum, that's where Rita does all of her posts about iguana care, that's the place to learn.
Freemason7: Army experiment man, my research library is 20 years of raising hundreds of iguanas successfully and getting them to pose for the camera so I can exploit them to make me money and fame, do you have a problem with that?
Freemason7: ARMY dissection man, I don't have to read, I am the source, I raise the animals and learn from the animals directly, I write the book, I don't have to read the books.
Freemason7: I'm busy doing other things, that message board is a joke to me.
Here's where his credibility comes into play.  This is the point where he claimed to be able to "cure" an iguana with MBD in a few days.
Freemason7: Sue, how could it be that I take in iguanas that are near death with MBD or other health problems and successfully rehabilitate them in days or weeks, into perfect health?
Freemason7: I really don't care about a scientific community, it does not matter to me, I don't care.
Freemason7: I have taken in iguanas with such weak bones, they could only drag their rear legs, it only took days of eating calcium rich greens and getting direct sun light for their bones to get firm and for their rear legs to work normally
Freemason7: I have never used any calcium
Freemason7: I only use calcium rich foods
Freemason7: I have never needed to use calcium supplements, did not need
Euterpe13x: did you know that some "calcium rich foods" can cause gastrointestonal distress in some herbivores

At this point, someone chimed in......
Poicephalus2: not to mention that some veterinarians highly emphasize the use of calcium supplements
DemonStang1313: MAKES THERE STOMACH GO POOF
Euterpe13x: yup
Then Henry responded with:
Freemason7: Okay, These are the sickest and most stupid comments I have ever seen in my life
Freemason7: If you have a young iguana with soft bending spine and the rear legs are not working, it only takes a few days for it to correct by sunning and feeding calcium rich foods
Freemason7:  Quote me on that you fanatics

I shall get into his skink post in another post.  (ick.  That was repeditive and redundant.)  This one turned into something long and tedious quickly.  
Keep in mind.  Total novices go into these chats to get information for their new aquisitions.  When a person comes in with bad information, the room takes it seriously.  Which, in turn, makes the educated reptile enthusiast want to correct the info.  
Sue
 
Here is the first skink post....I apologize in advance...this is going to be long.

These are the important basics you need to know:
1) Even though these are insect eaters, and that's what some people will insist you must feed them, I found it works perfectly well to feed them with other things instead. They will all do perfectly well on items such as canned cat food, tofu, water soaked whole grain bread and mulched up vegetable matter or fruit. I mainly feed the canned cat food (made from fish), once a day on a little plate. It's okay to skip a day and feed every other day. These
skinks will go for the stuff right away, even if they were used to eating something else. I recommend alternating among these items every few days.
2) They can be safely kept in a 20 gallon aquarium. The bottom should be a thick layer of crushed corn cob shavings, about 4 to 5 inches high. They love to submerge into it and sleep there. They will hide there most of the time and only come out in the mornings to bask under the warmth of a light bulb.
There should be a dish of fresh water for the skink, change it every day if possible.  The poop droppings of these skinks is not messy. The crushed corn cob shavings can actually go for months and months, even years, without being messed up by the poop of these skinks.
3) Use a clamp on light fixture with a 60 to 75 watt light bulb to provide basking heat. This works perfectly well when the light is about 12 inches above where the skink will come to bask.  Always make sure the light fixture is safely mounted.  The skinks tend to only come out to bask in the morning for about one hour, then it's back underground till the next day.  So I shut the light off after about 30 to 60 minutes, not to leave it on
all day.
The skinks should never be subjected to any temperatures below 65 degrees. Their ideal temperature range is from 70 to 85 degrees.  I have never provided any kind of UVB light for them. I assume they might be getting what they need from the canned cat food, never seen any MBD in a Sneider skink. However, just to be safe, I do set them outside to bask in direct sunshine once in a while. I would recommend once or twice a week for an hour, but once a month is probably just fine. Always make sure there is safety shade to not kill them in the heat. I use a glass aquarium that has a big screen top and very short sides of glass, this works perfectly well.
4) Be careful, they are very territorial, some get along fine and some will not, biting each other viciously.
5) You can handle them as much as you like, as long as you are gently and friendly to them. I often kiss mine.  They love to crawl up into a woman's long hair and hide there (just like me).  I believe these skinks actually enjoy contact with humans, they will lay in your hand as you pet them and appreciate this.
6) These skinks have what I call colossal intelligence;  If you look, you will see it.
Henry Lizardlover

Did he really just suggest kissing his lizard?  

Okay...one of my favorite parts.  A lot of people believe a happy healthy reptile...or any animal, in fact, will breed if it is really happy and healthy, correct?
Here's his breeding claim:
I have seen and learned much about the sexual habits and reproduction of tree skinks, but when it comes to Schnieder skinks, in the past 17 years or so, always having them around,  I have never seen anything regarding reproduction.
I have never noticed any means of telling their sex, they look extremely similar with only slight variations in head or body size.  I have never seen any of them develop any eggs or give birth.  Never even seen them do any mating.  When it comes to skinks in general, I've noticed that telling their sex is not obvious as with iguanas.
 
Now, 17 years and he hasn't gotten any to breed....hmmm.
Shoot, he's never even noticed ANY difference in their sexes in 17 years!
 This is where I grin a lot...beacause shortly after all this, Henry here said that skinks have umbilical cords:
Henry: Did you know where this not an umbilical cord goes and what it does?Have you seen any of these PT skinks imediately after birth?
Have you seen what this not an umbilical cord connects to and what happens to it?  Do you know exactly what it does?  What would you call this "not an umbilical cord"?

Last I checked, you need a placenta to have a true umbilical cord.  I tried to explain the differences between oviparous, viviparous, and ovoviviparous animals to Henry, but he wasn't too receptive.  Now, I chatted with a taxonomist friend of mine, and admittedly, there are a couple species of skink and 1(?) viper who do truly have placentas....tell me if I'm off about that....but I wasn't aware that Schneiders and Soloman Island skinks were in this catagory.
 Okay, enough with the he said, she said.  For any of you AOL users, this can be viewed at the AOL reptile Message boards.  I highly suggest stopping in for a good read.  

Sue
 
It's very difficult to respect the views and thoughts of a man who claims that he doesn't need to even read or listen to the arguments against his theories because he "Writes the books" and "doesnt need to read the books"... Learning process should never end, and this poor guy is living in the mid eighties, reliving the glory days of the iguana craze...

I think the phrase "moron" was pretty appropriate.
 
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