| Author | Subject: what I would like to see |
| DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK | Posted At 12:16:18 02/15/2001
I have seen inquiries on certain individuals where they have multiple postings of one message after another stating that they recommend an individual highly, but then they proceed to state that they have never done business with this individual. Now how reputable is a referal like that, I would not feel confident at all in an entire thread of postings that all refere highly but have never done business, that shows to me that either the person had his or her buddies post these referals to bulster the reputation of that individual, or that infact this person has done nothing to even qualify to have an ounce of a decent reputation, this is not based in reality. I want to see references from real life customers who have been through the entire process with an individual and at no point of that process, did the customer ever feel unconfortable about dealing with that person. Let's get reality based references on these postings because frankly, I wouldn't spend a dime with an individual who has no reality based references posted, there are to many rip off artists and just plane scum bags who are in this hobby only for the money they can make, if this were to dry up for these guys tomorrow, they wouldn't have a single animal left in there house with in a week, because they are only about the money Thanks for letting me post this and I look forward to the replies disputing everything I stated above, these will be some of the people you prospective customers may want to keep an eye out for. |
| Ken Harbart |
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Posted At 18:05:45 02/15/2001 Gee Doug, I can only assume that your post was directed at the likes of me, since (1) I have posted comments of the type you describe about people whom you apparently have somewhat of a disliking for, such as Jeremy Stone, Skip Nelson, and Rich Ihle; and (2) I had the "audacity" to tell you to check your ego after you posted this reply to Bryant King- http://www.kingsnake.com/forum/boa/messages/54192.html Also, given the fact that you lambasted another prominent boa breeder for selling hypos at a fair market value rather than a substantially higher price, and also went on record saying, "There is so much to do with this fgene and it drives me crazy to see people basically giving them away and not being able to realize how inportant this gene is to the future breeding projects of boas. A bit of advice to those future breeders, it is all right to charge for quality, but it is also all right to charge for potential."- don't you think it's a bit hypocritical that you now bring up those who are "only about the money"??? That being said, I'm sure the webmaster and all the users of this forum will give your advice the due consideration that it deserves. |
| Tom B |
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Posted At 18:27:34 02/15/2001 I agree, this is no longer a "Board of inquiry", it is a Board of speculation and off-topic mud slinging. It is hardly a HELP to anybody anymore, other than being a place where it is apparently OK to drag each other through the dirt based on he said/she said. It is poorly moderated and very much out of control... |
| john a |
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Posted At 18:47:29 02/15/2001 awwww cmon what is this forum for??? |
| robin |
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Posted At 23:40:55 02/15/2001 would you like some cheese with that wine...grrrrrr |
| Steve |
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Posted At 10:47:43 02/16/2001 Can we say JERK. So you think just because someone breeds something I have no interest in I cant give them a good reference? How about if they are a stand up person and I just simply have no interest in their preffered species, but know people have done buisness with them? Or is that to much of a consept for your simple mind to grasp? Also who is to say those so called reality based referances are not fake? What I see here is someone with a major attitude problem who is probally running off his customers and now looking for a way to discredit the comp to get them back, or make up for the loss. Why do you think anyone would care what you want to see? |
| DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK |
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Posted At 14:08:36 02/16/2001 the paranoya runs rampid here, Ken you were dead wrong by even bringing up rich,jeremy or skip's name and you owe them an apology for even letting people think for a minute that this was pointed in their direction so you better do so. Once again, it comes down to the enability of people to comprehend the english language and some of these posts are perfect examples of this. If you would read it again, you would see that this was based on multiple postings of the same thing and beginners were never put in this category, but do to the brilliant minds reading this, it once again got all screwed up, learn how to read and keep the stupidity to a dull roar, this is for those who are looking to make purchase, not for trouble makers who have nothing better to do. I suppose you would like to see totally fabricated referals for people to take as the truth, not me. Get it through your thick skulls that this is a forum to help and hopefully provide the most up to date truthful info for people to make educated decisions on where they want to make there first, next or last purchase. You seem to be against this, like I stated to those looking, these are some of the people you may want to stay away from. |
| DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK |
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Posted At 14:33:32 02/16/2001 and to my buddy steve, I can say alot more then jurk, but then I would be bringing my self down to your level and I am just not prepared to sink that low, try to be a help as apposed to a hinderance, that means don't be a pain in the butt. |
| Mark |
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Posted At 22:21:13 02/16/2001 Dear Mr. Matuszak, I read your outbursts on the boa forum today, and your posts here this evening, and I just want to tell you I would never spend a dime with you. I've considered buying boas from you several times and I'm glad I didn't after seeing the kind of attitude you have towards other people. |
| Greg |
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Posted At 11:38:53 02/17/2001 I second that !!!!!! |
| cobalt |
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Posted At 13:24:42 02/17/2001 Matuszak, When you lambast people for their English skills, be sure you have all YOUR ducks in a row...your spelling is atrocious and muddles your posts, AND makes you appear very unintelligent (like mixing do and due). Just a word of advice. -cobalt |
| Webmaster |
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Posted At 13:45:28 02/17/2001 FLAMEWAR WARNING! This forum is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion, and everyone is entitled to their personal opinions. Hopefully, those people whom don't care much for the intent or actual usage of this forum will just go on their merry way and be done with it. You are welcome to disagree with their opinions with your own opinions, but NOT to the point where you feel that name calling and the like are required to make your point. I am sorry that I can't please everyone with this sort of forum. But if anyone else wants to take a stab at doing a better job at it, then by all means please do so. |
| john |
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Posted At 14:07:17 02/17/2001 lets see now wine with cheese name calling, cmon grow up the question is who to buy from or who not to buy from lets see if you people know this instead of using this forum for personal attacks as i said GROW UP,only children use name calling if this were face to face,i dont think a lot of this would take place as most people are cowards just food for thought |
| DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK |
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Posted At 15:10:28 02/18/2001 To the Webmaster, you are providing an excellent service for those serious herpers out there, your work is definitely appreciated and I am directing more people to this site all the time, keep up the good work and thanks again for providing this forum for those who are serious about finding individuals who will treat them with the utmost respect and intelligence in helping them decide on an animal to bring in to their family. DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK BOA BASEMENT |
| Jason |
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Posted At 17:33:27 02/18/2001 Doug one question I got for ya is do you consider this treating people with the upmost respect?? "You are not at the level that I am and will never be" those are your words copied and pasted from one of your posts on the kingsnake boa forum, just curious, Jason |
| PBM |
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Posted At 11:55:25 02/19/2001 Just thought that I would point out for Doug, that if you scroll down you will see the same thing which he speaks of. Only thing is, is that it is people that have never bought from him, recommending him. So, Doug, maybe a competitor got this sort of rec. and you didn't like it. Well, you have gotten the same(believe it to be from 11/25) I don't know you personally Doug, but have heard good things in the past about you. But recently, I have been very disappointed in the behavior from which I have seen from you. Lets get this back to a professional level everybody. Let the people decide who has the best animals. How many people do you think plug Bob Clark and have never even talked to him? They don't have to, I am sure they know people who have, and have heard many other good stories that they CAN share. The only one hurting your reputation currently Doug, is you! Think about it. |
| JEFF RISHER |
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Posted At 17:15:59 02/19/2001 I am new to this forum and was directed here by Doug. I do agree with what he says if have never personaly dealt with someone thru the process then you should not post a responce to them weather you know someone who has dealt with them or not,YOU DID NOT DEAL WITH THEM. I would only deal with someone after talking to others who have.I have purchased animals from doug for many years and for those who say they would not spend a dime with him because they dont like what he says to others without knowing the whole story all i can say is thanks because that leaves the truly awsome animals he produces for those of us who can make up our own minds. sorry for the mispelled words for those who are cheking. JEFF |
| DonM |
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Posted At 08:07:22 02/20/2001 Jeff, funny I was thinking the same thing, if certain people dont want to spend a dime , that leaves more incredible snakes for you and I to purchase from him. That is a bit selfish I know, but is it wrong to want a better chance at his great stock? j/k :) I think the subject Doug brings up initially is an important one. I agree that this forum should be used to hear what each persons experiences with a particular breeder was, not what they heard about one. Another point I wouild like to comment on...gonna be a little long :) but here goes. Doug made a comment that certain snakes or snakes with potential for high quality should retain a fair asking price. I AGREE 110% on this. I dont want to see Boas selling for $10-25 because breeders start competing for price instead fo quality. I will give an example to a another very familair market we all know so well: computers. Computers and computer hardware are getting lower and lower in quality and lower and lower in reliablity. Reason: commpeting for price and not caring for producing a "quality" product anymore. And to blame for this really is the consumer. Everyone wants to buy the cheapest computer they can find, overlooking alot of the important things they should be looking for. They then complain that the computer they have in their home is unreliable and full of problems. This will only get worse as computers keep getting cheaper and cheaper, so that it is not worth it for the maufacturers to put any effort into building quality systems. With herps, if those who are purchasing are only looking for the lowest price they can find, they might initially get a good pet, but in the long run I believe this will bring the quality down over time. Why would a good breeder who has the potential to breed incredible snakes ever bother if there is no reward for his efforts? I understand some might not see the comparison, but this is my feeling on the subject. I am just concerned that in the future it will be very difficult to find a good breeder because buyers start looking at only the $. With Doug, I know from dealing with him that he cares a ton for the breed and for his customers who have them. Yes, he SHOULD make money for his snakes. There are costs as everyone knows to breeding and caring for these animals. If there was no profit at all, then people like Doug would not be in the business, and would be breeding these great snakes for himself and they would not be available to us. Well, this has gone long enough I think. Thanks for reading my post. Again this is only my opinion on the subject. |
| Jason |
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Posted At 09:57:13 02/20/2001 well its nice to see that Doug has some honest freinds "If there was no profit at all, then people like Doug would not be in the business" thats the opinion I was beginning to have about him, also i find it funny that he would skate around my question posted above that was directly asked to him and send all his freinds here, I mean its great that you guys have had good dealings with him and wanna support him but why cant he answer a question??? he also sk8ted around the very same question posted on the boa forum, so I am juts curious I would really apreciate it if doug could answer that, Thanks |
| ERIC |
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Posted At 10:11:00 02/20/2001 Don, It's my belief that if a "breeder" (I use this term lighlty) discontinues breeding a species because of money, then he truly doesn't do it for the animals. That, in my opinion, is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. There always will be ppl who prefer to buy from the well known "breeders" and those who go for the cheaper not-so-well-known "breeders". If ppl don't like it then lower your prices or just don't breed. I don't think for one minute that if Salmon Boas went to an all time low that Rich Ihle would stop breeding them. Ialso don't think KevNERD would do the same if it were Ball Pythons. They love the species they are working with. Within the next few years, I think you are going to see "lots of animals" at dirt heap prices. WAY to many ppl breeding these days and MANY more lurking in the shadows. Just my 2 cents....ERIC |
| Jason |
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Posted At 10:14:09 02/20/2001 also I would like to point out I dont wanna seem as though I am bashing Doug or anything of that sort but alot of his posts lately just seem hypocritical to me, I have never done buisness with guy, i would just like for him to answer why everyone is so wrong but he has the right to belittle people so its nothing personal Doug I would juts like for you to answer my question is all, you talk about treating people with respect,do you consider this treating people with the upmost respect?? "You are not at the level that I am and will never be" thats all i wanna know, so like i said nothing personal and please dont anyone take it as though i am bashing him |
| DonM |
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Posted At 10:34:10 02/20/2001 People, please read each word a person types in a message and make sure you understand it completely before commenting on it. Example: "It's my belief that if a "breeder" (I use this term lighlty) discontinues breeding a species because of money, then he truly doesn't do it for the animals" -In response to something I said, and here is my quote: "Yes, he SHOULD make money for his snakes. There are costs as everyone knows to breeding and caring for these animals. If there was no profit at all, then people like Doug would not be in the business, and would be breeding these great snakes for himself and they would not be available to us." Did I say there that he would discontinue breeding? Nah, I didnt, I said he would coninue, but for himself because of his love for the breed. But anyone would be out of their mind to sell something for nothing. I would never expect any reputable breeder to sell me a quality animal for I dont know lets say $20 when it cost him more then that to go thru the breeding process etc. to make this animal avail to me. DO NOT try to turn what I say around to make it seem like I saying that Doug is in this for the money only. If he was I would never had purchased from him in the past. He also has a male Boa living with him now with my name on it, which I plan to drive the 8 hours to pick up. Oh before this gets out of hand too, his shipping methods are very safe and reliable, I just want to make a visit this time. Whew! I could see that one getting out of hand real easy. Please dont turn this into a huge arguement, I just wanted to put my opinion out there. Thanks |
| DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK |
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Posted At 12:30:25 02/20/2001 Jason, sorry I did not get back to you sooner. Do I feel bad about stating what I did against that individual on the forum, of course not, this was a long time building and he finally got to close to the fire so he got burned a bit. As I stated for all of those who just missed it, it was a long time coming and his know it all attitude finally got him in trouble, I had stated publicly that it was not necessary that we had gone so far and good luck with everything, then I was sent a private email from him to another which stated all sorts of things about me which of course were not based in reality, but only what he was lead to believe, well I would be thrown off of every forum in existance if I showed my reply to him and since I have done that, I have heard nothing else from him. Am I proud of doing that, no! I am not, but I also don't walk away from somebody who thinks they are going to pull one over on me, that is not going to happen, not in my life time. I have worked way to hard and for to many years to realize my dreams and I will not allow any one to try and make a name for themselves at my expense. As for those who think for one minute that I asked people to post in my defense, wrong again, if you have even half a clue about me, I need no help in this matter. When it comes to a battle of wits, most come to the table empty handed and that is quite aparent by some of the postings above. My point has been drilled home so perfectly to those who have the ability to see how innoscently my original intent of this posting was and how people either knowingly or unknowingly do not comprehend what they are reading, the concept of words making up a idea just blows them away and a single word can spin them off in a totally different direction from what the intent of the message actually was. If your going to want me to be a spelling master, aint going to happen, this being pointed out was even more ridiculous because once again, the comprehension factor was totally ignored. There is not enough words in the english language to get through to some of you and I won't even try, but for those who got it, I am here for you. Ken Harbor, I hope for your sake that you straightened up the situation by mentioning three individuals names above of which one I have never even met, take care of it or you may be staring down the barrel of a law suit by posting such garbage, this is serious and I will have no problem making an example of you, as a matter of fact, you better post something on this thread retracting your alligations that I was trying to hurt any of those people because what you did falls under the category of slander and defimation of character, both of which I can sue you for. I stated before of your audasity and now it might get you in deeper then you ever wanted to go. As for those who claim they will never buy from me, don't worry, there are more every day who want to and they appreciate you getting out of the way. Once again, it is truly a shame that the original intent of the message has been forgotten about and your futile attempts to bring me down only makes me stronger, because what really bothers all of you is that the majority of people think like me when they are spending their hard earned cash and want to see referrals from real life customers. But enough, the intent has been lost on many posting here, a few are with it and most don't need a bunch of want to be's attacking them so they just don't post here at all, but they do get it and they call me because they see the intense honesty and integrity that I place on my hobby. Attack if you will, but it does no good, to many people all ready know what I am and what I do and they like the whole package. Thanks to all who got it and good luck to all of you who did not. DOUGLAS R. MATUSZAK BOA BASEMENT |
| Jason |
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Posted At 14:29:24 02/20/2001 I didnt ask if you felt bad, I asked whether or not you thought it was respectful to treat someone like that????? a simple yes I thought I was being respectful talking like that or no i didnt think i was being respectful will do,theres a differance between feeling bad and respect im not trying to give ya a hard time just your talking about missing points, that whole letter could have been summed up in 5 sentances instead of pages maybe that is why people are missing your points because some of your post are so long with so much repeated info thats goes from one point to the next that people start out reading and got a good idea of whats up but till the end they dont know what is going on, like i said i aint trying to give ya a hard time just some obsevations |
| Webmaster |
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Posted At 15:06:49 02/20/2001 I think I have lost the point of this whole conversation in reference to the intentions of this forum. I can't see anything that wouldn't be better served by just the exchange of emails between the interested parties. Please do not start another thread to continue on with this one. Webmaster |