| Author | Subject: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer |
| Corey Sawyer | Posted At 01:01:06 07/08/2001
On 6/30 Mr Langhover sent me an email telling me he wanted to purchase a male leopard gecko I had for sale. The same day we setup all the details and he was suppose to mail me the money. On 7/07 I sent Mr Langhover an email asking if I ahd his correct address. He replied and said yes and asked if I received payment. I replied and said no I had not. On 7/08 Mr Langhover sent me this email: I just found the letter in my house so you won't be receiving it. I actually am selling my female albinos now so i don't need a male. Sorry, Taron Langhover I turned down the sale of this animal to 4 or 5 other people because Langhover said he would send payment. I would, at all costs, avoid this person in the future. His name emaild and address are below. Taron Langhover 9700 N. Woodlawn Valley Center, KS 67147 uroplatus@uroplatusetc.com Thank you, Corey Sawyer http://www.SuperiorReptiles.com |
| JERRY TRESSER |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5467.html Posted At 06:28:22 07/08/2001 CORY, the worst crime he could have committed is probably being a lousy business man, or maybe changing his mind, or maybe he found a better deal, etc. but he is under no contractual obligation and he certainly can change his mind. But this may be a good lesson for you, because the best way to handle these email deals is to sell to the first person who pays you, not promises to pay you ! You should put a time limitation on your transactions. If he fulfills his obligation by getting the money to you then you know you have a sincere deal otherwise its not a deal. But my personal feeling is that this post should not have been listed on this forum. Iam sure you as well as everyone else dealing through the net will experience this as well. Its part of the game. |
| Rich Zuchowski |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5470.html Posted At 10:14:00 07/08/2001 I'm going to have to side with Corey on this one. I actually made a post about this problem a while back as well, but didn't mention any names. As far as I am concerned, in an instance like this, both sides had committed to the sale. If Corey had been offered more money for the animal, or sold it to anyone else after the commitment was made, and the buyer came through with the sent payment, then I am certain Corey would have been considered a BAD GUY by doing so. Yet this is certainly just a case of the shoe being on the other foot. During negotiations, there certainly is no real expectation that someone considering a purchase must follow through. But in a case where someone says they definitely want an item, expect you to hold it for them, and have committed to sending the money, this is basically a verbal contract of sale. I see instances where people will also be floating multiple deals with sellers, and being not sure of what one they actually want, will tell ALL of the sellers to hold the animals for them waiting for a check while they are still in the negotiating stage with one or more others. This is bad enough, but even when they finally decide on the final purchase, they will continue to string the other sellers along, never bothering to contact them that they will not follow through with their commitment. So I agree emphatically with Corey. This is not a one way street here, and I certainly would like to know about a buyer that engages in this sort of practice. It is exactly because of this sort of thing that I completely disregard anyone's request to be placed on a waiting list if they have not placed a deposit for the animals they are interested in. I get people calling and emailing all of the time saying they are interested in something from me. But unless I get a deposit for the animals, they will fall right off of the radar screen when it comes time for me to start calling around making shipping arrangements. But I will agree that there has been no contractual obligation made, as Jerry has stated. But there certainly is an issue of ethics here that some buyers seem completely oblivious to. The buyers must either live up to their committments, as they are expecting the sellers to do, or else bear the consequences that the animals will be sold to the first person getting the money to the seller. |
| Mike W (Mike and Jackies Captive Born Reptiles) |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5472.html Posted At 11:42:54 07/08/2001 I must defend Taron on this one. I have dealt w/ him in the past and his is a very very very good business person. I ordered 1.2 Satanic Leaf Tail Geckos from him. I got them in and the young one died. Upon me contacting him he asked me to send the dead one back (which was just a baby) and upon him receiving it he sent me another adult F Black Phantom. So it is my opinion that Taron just made a mistake like we all do not sending that out and changed his mind. There is no crime in that. |
| Corey Sawyer |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5475.html Posted At 12:35:47 07/08/2001 Taron just emaield me and said he has changed his mind once again, and will be sending payment. If it gets he, I will post a good guy post for him. Corey |
| JERRY TRESSER |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5494.html Posted At 16:14:01 07/08/2001 RICH, these email agreements are valueless unless money has been put into the receipients hand. Their is no such thing as a verbal contract. My experience has shown me just from reading the posts on this forum how many times promises to ship or to buy have fallen on deaf ears. The only way to protect your interest is to offer an item for sale with the stipulation that the first one to pay , GETS IT. That would seperate the boys from the men real fast. It has become apparent that many of these deals are with young people, (ages unknown) and they can string you along without mercy. Once you apply, as Ive indicated in previous posts, "Limitations" on your method of conducting business, these problems would not happen. Limit the Sale to a specific time, or indicate that others are interested and first come, first serve. I can assure you a serious buyer will foward monies overnight or call with a credit card if its a serious offer. The buyer contrary to Rich's assertion is not committed to anything. He has no legal obligation to the seller just because he said "ill take it" If in fact Cory had several people interested he should have indicated to all of them (at the same time) these are the terms, so forth, etc. But he took all of his marbles and put them into one basket, eliminated all the other potential buyers, lost the deal and is now crying fowl. This is a direct result of not understanding the business of how one has to play this game on this ever changing Internet. I empathize with Cory, but his posting is the result of being hurt and betrayed rather than someone trying to create some evil concoction. I dont know who the other party is, but if he is a game player, his name should be made known and try to watch out for these kind of people. Reptile Depot tried to pull the same nonesense with me. It did not work once I asked them for the money. |
| Corey Sawyer |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5499.html Posted At 19:46:40 07/08/2001 Jerry, I am a very trusting person. If someone tells me they are going to send me money or do something, I believe I and If I tell someone I am going to do something, I am going to do it. I have already sold the animal to someone else. I guess I will just have to make a "NO SALE" list of people. I sell to the first person who tells me they want it. Hell, I have even held stuff for months for people. Corey |
| hardcore reptiles |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5507.html Posted At 22:52:11 07/08/2001 holding things the way you did in my opion means class,those of us with busy lifes sometimes need a few days to get things in order.as long as the buyer treats the seller with the same respect given there would be no problem.you did nothing wrong,he jamed not you. craig goldie |
| Darin Chappell |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
5607.html Posted At 11:43:00 07/10/2001 As to there being no such thing as a verbal contract . . . Why not tell me that you'll give me a million dollars for my clutch of corn snake eggs, have me ship before you pay, and then tell me you only want to pay $10 a head for them. I'll show you what a verbal contract can do for a person. Obviously, the above is ridiculous and would never hold water in court. However, that is ONLY because of the amounts involved. There is such a thing as a verbal contract, and it IS just as bingding as a written one. The only difference is that it is much harder to prove the existence of a verbal contract or its particulars in court so as to be able to sustain it like one can do with a written contract. |
| mike webb |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
6254.html Posted At 10:55:01 07/24/2001 Taron is one of the best buyers and sellers I have ever dealt with, I will only buy animals if they are cod. and he has no problem with that. hes a good guy, healthy animals at good prices. |
| Corey Sawyer |
Re: Taron Langhover uroplatus@uroplatuset Bad Buyer
6463.html Posted At 13:52:05 07/28/2001 Taron came through, and I would like to revoke what I said. He came back and bought another (mor epensive) animal a few days later. Corey |