| Author | Subject: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ |
| Charles Pierce | Posted At 12:11:36 09/06/2001
Recently (less than thirty days ago) my wife purhased 1.1 beautiful butter corns from Mr. D. Mercer of Scottsdale, AZ. We had purchased corns prior to these guys, and had placed a lot of confidence and trust to Don. The female butter I purchased from him was a little then, and he claimed that she was nursed back to health and that he stood behind his guarantee that she would be of good health (i.e. free of pathogens and bacterial infections). I would ensure to change the water twice per week in addition to completely striping down there housing every Saturday. Within one week after purchasing this female butter. Two Snow hatchling parished, which never fed,that were purchased from the same person. The female butter fed once, but regurged thereafter, and never ate. Soon my other snakes started to die off. All with the symptoms of being lethargic, and suddenly unwilling to feed, leading to a gaping mouth and excessive bloatedness. He had told us that if we were to ever have any problems, which we should never have, that he would be willing to nurse it back to health. That if it was impossible then we would be compensated. Unfortunately my wife and I were to trusting of this individual to fast, and we actually had a lot of faith in him. So far two of the snakes I have purchased from him have died, along with many others of my original stock. I honestly never had a problem with something like this, until I acquired his specimens which were treated with Flagyl prior to receiving them. I spoke with an individual here in town, who wishes to remain unknown. That advised me that many herps. will sell reptiles that are sick, lowering the price on beautiful specimens, just to push them off on to the next guy. Because of this my wife and I are now unwilling to purchase any reptiles from dealers who are not reputable or established, and without a documented notorized/publisized contract. I am only reporting the facts, but at the same time there are too many people out there who make sacrifices to better there future. This is what I did often working overtime because I took Mr. Mercer's word that the purchase of these specimens would be a good investment from nexts years offspring. We are no longer willing to speak with him directly, because of his negative and racist statments that he has made towards my family and I. As though his personality went from a Dr. Jekyl to a Mr. Hide. I understand that this is not the first time he has had problems with his guarantees, and I somewhat blame myself for not checking on this guy's history of customer relations. |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8763.html Posted At 15:18:33 09/06/2001 I apologize in advance to all who read this, but Mr Pierce here hangs up on me everytime I try to get a word in via the phone. First, a few words to Charles, then the TRUE story. Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, You truley are an unbelievable, pathetic liar! All this cause your itty bitty feelings got hurt. You are a sad excuse of a man. When did I EVER attack you racially? Please let me know. All these lies cause you didnt get what you wanted? I thought you were taking me to court? I'm ready to go. Oops, I better be careful what I say to you, or you will "Break both my f**kin arms" and cause you "know where I live" like you have threatened me. Gee, cant wait for a judge to hear those threats. Yes, I do have that on tape you piece of sh*t. Guess you forgot when I told you that I record ALL business calls so there is never a doubt in a deal. You are complete trash in my eyes and will never be anything more. Nough said. Now the TRUTH. I met these wonderful people late spring of this year when they came to my house to look at some corns I had for sale. They seemed like decent folk and we sat around for hours BSing. One thing very important to this story, is how we discussed how they had purchased a trio of corns from another local person and that one had died, and the other two were in bad shape. (dont forget this) I agreed to sell them a group of corns after they had finished laying eggs for the year. At this first meeting we did a trade deal for my adult, 1.1 Striped Amel Motley corns for their 1.1 Degus (rodents from Chile). I knew little about them and was not even sure I was permitted to own such critters, but did the deal after they assured me they were legal to posess. So far so good. As the months went by they purchased several more corns and gave me a list of hatchlings they wanted when they hatched. On this list was a request for a female Blood corn. I told them that I didnt see that happening, since I planned on holding most, if not all back.(remember this) I told them if I decided to part with any, I would let them know. Also throughout this time, I treated one of thier sick snakes (from above trio) and ended up putting it down for them when we realized it was beyond hope. During this time they also lost a couple other snakes, none of which came from me. They NEVER informed me of having any problems with any animals from me. Well except for the Caramel corn that always tried to bite Charles. Guess that snake knew something I didnt. Another thing worth mentioning is the fact, that when they brought their sick snake back to be put down, they took an adult female Butter corn they bought from me, home in the same container they brought the sick snake in!!!!(remember this) This all happened mid to late July. One interesting thing, that really made me start to wonder about these people, was everytime they came over, their story on wether the Degus were legal or not changed. One day yes, next day, they werent sure. Fishy.. They also became very pushy once I told them the Degus had babies, saying that they wanted one. I contacted AZG&F to find the status of owning Degus, and could not get a strait answer, so, they became expensive snake food. I am not one to mess with G&F due to past experiences. On 8/23, at 4pm, I received a call from Charles wife. She wanted to know if I was interested in purchasing a snake of theirs. She also told me a hatchling they got from me had died. Nothing more was said. I left for the weekend soon afterwards. When I returned home, I saw on my Caller Id, that they had tried calling me a couple times. I ended up returning their call on 8/29 at 6:21. Seems they wanted to know if I was going to give them a baby Degu. I told them that I had fed them off to my snakes because I was nervous about how their story had always changed and G&F could not tell me a thing. The call went down hill and it was ended. At 6:28, they called back. This time they brought up another couple issues. First, a good friend on mine was advertising a female Blood corn for sale. They wanted to know if it came from me. I told them it did. They FLIPPED out accusing me of breaking a verbal contract and that they would take me to court. When I finally got a chance to explain, it just infuriated them more. I told them I had a deal with this person LONG before I ever met them for a pair of hatchling Bloods. They said I should have told them I had a deal with this person! Now that takes a lot of nerve if you ask me. So, they think I need to run all my deals by them to meet their approval? BULL! It was none of their damn business and I told them that. Thats when Mr Charles got on the phone and started with all the threats I mentioned in the begining of this story. I probably pissed him off, when all that I could do was laugh at him the whole time he was ranting and raving. I really did try to talk rationally, the things he was saying were just toooooo funny.(wanna hear the tape?) The second issue they brought up was that a second snake they got from me had perished. They did not say much about this and never said what animal. He ended up hanging up on me. 8/30, 12:10, Mr charles calls to tell me they are taking me to court and hangs up. No mention of what snakes had died. 8/30, at 2:30, Mr Charles calls again, to inform me that our conversation is being recorded and if I was going to make good on the male Striped Amel Motley and female Butter that had just died! Well, that was news to me!! I asked him if a necropsy had been done, (had to repeat that 3 times) and he said "no". I told him no, I would not due anything for them, and he said he'd see me in court and that I "better have all my ducks in a row". Funny, toooo funny. I didnt even get a chance to tell him that in AZ, only one person needs to know a call is being recorded, nor did I get a chance to play his threats he made back to him! Damn, I was all set up and ready to go! 9/01, I receive a letter in the mail giving me two options, split costs and have a vet do an "autopsy" as they called it, or, they will do it on their own and take me to court for all kinds of stuff. I choose option #2 Charlie! Now these people are novices to this hobby, I should have pointed that out earlier,(nothing against beginers, well stupid ones) and seems that they didnt know that a necropsy must be preformed within 24 hours, and that you CAN NOT freeze a snake and then have it done. They also didnt realize you should ALWAYS QUARANTINE new animals and NEVER put a snake in contact with anything a sick animal has been in or on. Nor that a healthy snake can perish in weeks from being in contact with a sick animal. Sad, truly sad. To wrap this all up, I'm sorry this had to come out here, although I do get off on conflict. I am also sorry if anybody is offended, I really tried hard to deal with this professionally, although I didnt want to. It all comes down to all the STUPID PEOPLE in this hobby. I considered these people friends, and went out of my way for them. I even helped them in a time of need when they needed a babysitter. All tis because they believe I went back on my word over a single Blood female and a rodent. I thought they knew me better then that. What really makes this all the more sad, is that I did decide to part with all my Bloods, and they were first in line. See what anger from irrational people will do? Live and learn. P.S Hey Charlie I have 3 letters from local vets saying you are an idiot. PLEEEEASE take me to court!!(sorry, unprofessional) Trying to reform, Don Mercer |
| Charles Pierce |
Re: Don Mercer of Scottsdale, Arizona
8765.html Posted At 16:12:55 09/06/2001 Thank you, this is exactly what I expected, and all that I needed from you...You developed your own track record. Win or Lose in Court the main concern is that persons watching this will see a pattern in your customer relations. Unprofessional behavior (i.e. foul language, vularity) is not necessary to convey your message when carrying a non-personal conversation. If you do have a record of the (phone record) conversation, ensure that it is admissable (i.e. that all conversations from present to day have been recorded)(If you check your Arizona statue laws if you are recording a conversation via telephone the secondary party must be NOTIFIED BEFOREHAND, then must have consent to proceed with the conversation) ask any attorney, this must include conversations not via telephone where witness's were available. My wife and I have both attended school together dealing with the legal arena, and we are ready to deal when we feel that our rights have been violated. In the case of quarantine (didn't you say they were in good health., ie free of pathogens?) Anyway, instead of playing tag with our e-mail accounts. Let us show our mature side for once and deal with this professionaly. Thank you for your response it has helped us a lot. |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8766.html Posted At 16:45:59 09/06/2001 WRONG!!!!!!! The second party DOES NOT to be made aware a conversation is being recorded. Been there, done that. Try again. Let people see who I AM? Most people here know exactly who I AM and that I donot take crap from anybody. So, I speak my mind. I'll tell anybody to their face if I think they are trash. They are seeing for what you are worth, absolutly nothing! Do you have an insecurity problem? Cant handle the truth? By the way, who is "Charles Pierce"? Your name is PRICE. Trying to hide? Also why is everything a racial issue with you? You've brought up racisim MANY times in our conversations. Insecure? Get a life loser, try being a man and admitt when your wrong. Truly pathetic! |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8767.html Posted At 16:54:02 09/06/2001 "I tell anybody to there face if I think they are trash" Really? No, problem...Set up a rendezvous(i.e. we can talk about this face to face). Apologize for the mispelling force of habit. |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8769.html Posted At 17:10:45 09/06/2001 Is that all you can say for yourself? Wont even try to defend yourself? Smart on your part. Come on over, we can have tea and crumpets and you can rattle on about Mexicans and Gays like you've done so many times before. Please let this go, it is proving nothing at all. Take me to court, and lets end this. I am done replying. |
| Carlos Lahitte |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8770.html Posted At 17:27:13 09/06/2001 Mr Price. I give a chance to this piece of Mother Nature the first time. See my thread against him down below . E-mail me and I will send you all the info what I have. Let put the first unprofessional bandit out of this hobby. Is time to start the clean out but this time with the full power. Racial issue? Why you don't check his comments in the other thread. Carlos Lahitte |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8771.html Posted At 17:31:37 09/06/2001 So what do you say: First of all racism is a very strong word and should never be used out of context. Being that my father is hispanic from the Dominican Republic, and my mother being African-American and I am married to (White-German), makes it very hard for me to be racist unless it is against martians (Sorry they do not exist). As for the "Gay" part, that's your agenda, I have nothing to do with that, Keep it personal please. If you are wanting to continue this my wife and I are willing to speak with you face to face in a public facility. But I know that would never happen since you are not likely to understand terms like compromising and integrity. Question? Am I the "only" individual that has complained about your business relations and conduct? Character is an issue here not necessarily your emotions. I believe there is no such thing as a bad business, just people who do business badly. I have nothing to gain or lose bye not being truthful. I can only apologize for not going through the extent to get references before exchanging business transactions with you. I have received e-mail from other individuals who were sympathetic to my plythe and that they have suffered these practices bye you themselves. I do not ask for sympathy, but instead there undivided attention that there are good businessmen as well as bad. The people reading this can make up there own mind. Like yourself I have the freedom of speak my mind, but my education allows me to do this in a professional way. I realized that if I lose my temper and shout obscenities, then I would be lowering myself down to your own lever. Remember your girl-friend was there during the intial trade, and witnessed by my wife and I she did quote, "The initial agreement". That's okay, MAYBE it might not be this court case that will bring justice but it may happen sometime. I am man with a college education who has served his country with great pride, that is not afraid to hold up to his responsibilities. Personally I know that it is not necessarily your fault, just the way that you were raised. Obviously discipline was not a factor, but that is, "none of my business". You take care Donald Mercer, and God Bless and I hope that the right thing will be done. **********************CLOSED*********************************** |
| billie garr |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8773.html Posted At 17:38:29 09/06/2001 UH, I got an idea why don't you guys settle this in court. Oh wait that's already been mentioned. ONLY ABOUT 50 TIMES! Why don't you guys take a deep breath relax and quit the mud slinging, and do what you keep saying settle it in court. All this anger can't be healthy. Just my opion not meant to offend anyone. billie. P.S. If you guys do meet face to face can I be the promoter I could use the money.We might even be able to get it on pay-per-view. Just joking guys a peaceful solution would be a much better way to work it out. billie. |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8774.html Posted At 17:40:53 09/06/2001 Coo? please elaborate... |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8789.html Posted At 23:42:38 09/06/2001 As the old saying goes, "Never involve business with friends and family." Unfortunately this can not always be true, for you can meet many friends through business. I appreciate your advice, but like doctors, everyone is entitled to a second opinion. The word, "Petty", I perceive in this case to be kind of like, "Sweeping it under the rug." I work very hard for my money as I am sure you do, and when it comes to investments, contracts are made to settle any disputes. In this case a verbal contract. Famous words bye Mr. King, "Can't we all just get along." |
| Charles Price |
Re: Notice....
8791.html Posted At 23:55:59 09/06/2001 To Whom It May Concern, Below is an actual "Copy paste format", Like I said before I have nothing to hide. It is unfortunate that one must turn to primitive forms of communication, when learning how to speak intelligently, is just a night school away. Please scroll down to attachment below: Inbox for genisus75@yahoo.com Yahoo! - My Yahoo! Options - Sign Out - Help Mail Addresses Calendar Notepad Height 4567 ft 01234567891011 in Weight as attachmentinline text Download Attachments Next | Inbox - Choose Folder -[New Folder] From: MAYBE13@webtv.net | Block Address | Add to Address Book Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:08:00 -0700 (MST) To: genisus75@yahoo.com CC: maybe13@webtv.net Subject: HAHAHA You really are a piece of work!! You lie thru your teeth and try to turn the story around. Remember this, since you brought her into this, Karen has heard your racial coments, she has heard your "gonna trade snakes for a gun" coments. And you think you are calm and rational? What a laugh!! What wont I understand if we meet? YOU are the one who went off the handle with the threats and cursing. You started this whole thing cause you felt betrayed. I tried to talk rationally to both you and Dorothy, but it was imposible. You are very hotheaded irrational people. You only see thing one way, your own. Tell me this, why did you not go after Shawn for selling you sick snakes? I know you realize those animals are the cause of all this, well your temper is the main reason. You know me well enough that I would have done whatever it took to make things right for you. But, you went and fucked that all up. I suggest you find a new hobby, this one will never work for you. What does a college education have to do with anything? You obviously didnt learn how to deal with problems on a personal or professional level. Must be your upbriging. I've been doing this a long time, and have run across trash many times, never changes a thing. Im still here, and will be for years to come. I do want to thank you for two thing, all the PR this is getting me, and that I have finally made the decision to not sell to the general public. Its just not worth the hassel with all the children and pathetic people who are ruining this once great hobby. Caio, Don -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Click a to send an instant message to an online friend = Online, = Offline Next | Inbox - Choose Folder -[New Folder] as attachmentinline text Download Attachments Yahoo! Messenger - Send instant messages to friends! Address Book · Alerts · Auctions · Bill Pay · Bookmarks · Briefcase · Broadcast · Calendar · Chat · Classifieds · Clubs · Companion · Domains · Experts ·Games · Greetings · Home Pages · Invites · Mail · Maps · Member Directory · Messenger · My Yahoo! · News · PayDirect · People Search · Personals · Photos · Shopping · Sports · Stock Quotes · TV · Travel · Weather · Yahooligans · Yellow Pages · more... Privacy Policy- Terms of Service - Guidelines Copyright © 1994-2001 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. |
| Jeff Houston |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8813.html Posted At 17:33:51 09/07/2001 Am I the only one that finds it very odd that this guy spells his own last name wrong? First it was Pierce, not just once, a couple times. Then it became Price! Too strange for me, tells me all I need to know about the reason for this problem. Just my opinion, Jeff Dallas, oh... I mean Jeff Houston |
| Houston, Jeoff |
Re: For Mr.Houston
8830.html Posted At 21:37:33 09/07/2001 I can honestly say that mispelling while word processing can be inevitable. During the time I was typing I was quite upset, thus errors will even become more prolifric (Hope that is spelled right). I average out 67wpm/with 0 errors on a split, key but this instance I had to be typing in a zone of 80+avg. Once again I apologize, but be more open minded. |
| Charles Price |
Re: Correction
8831.html Posted At 21:40:43 09/07/2001 The message above was written by myself, not Mr. Houston, thanx... |
| Chad Davis |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8835.html Posted At 23:02:36 09/07/2001 Charles, You blame your typing for your misspelling, but, I have seen several posts from you in the past, always under "Pierce," so what is your excuse?? Typing mistake again? I think NOT!! What are you trying to hide? |
| Ritchie Luna |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8838.html Posted At 23:25:43 09/07/2001 Charles, You said you bought corns from Mr. mercer and they never ate. Then you turned around and bought somemore? "Recently (less than thirty days ago) my wife purhased 1.1 beautiful butter corns from Mr. D. Mercer of Scottsdale, " "Two Snow hatchling parished, which never fed,that were purchased from the same person. " Okay the snakes never fed....then you turn around and buy somemore. You are either a liar or an idiot. Must be the latter since you can't spell your name (or can't decide what your last name really is) and can't include an e-mail addy each time you post If I bought snakes from someone and they don't feed. I would not buy from them again How dare you come on here and accuse someone when you know you are lying. Please do us all a favor. Tell the truth for once. You say you are going to take him to court? Go for it. I dare you Take him to court. But I know you won't because people like you are nothing but talk Charles..You said he was cursing. I don't see it in the post. Carlos...Your snakes died because you let them bake in the sun. And now you are gonna post AGAIN how it was don's fault? Don please send me some snakes, so I can let them bake in the sun. Then I can post bad stuff about you. |
| M.Gandolfo |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8840.html Posted At 23:58:14 09/07/2001 Mr. Price, for a man with a college education you should know that the words are spelled "prolific", "level", "vulgarity", "their", "by", and "Price". If you are an educated man you should have known not to put your new snakes anywhere near your present collection, and ESPECIALLY not to use the same container that the sick snake was in for the new snake you brought home. You knew you had an illness going on already. Quarantining wasn't only necessary for the protection of the snakes you had, but for the ones you were bringing in as well. You spread whatever sickness you had there to your new snakes. |
| Dorothy Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8845.html Posted At 01:43:48 09/08/2001 Well, well, well boys will be boys and men will be BOYS? For all of you who posted against my husband including you Donnie Boy this is what the wife in the matter has to say. For one yes I purchased 1.1 beautiful butter snakes from Don. First off he fails to tell you that we got the pair separately. The male was the first one we bought and the female was the second one that we got. He tells you that I brought home my female in the same container that I had a sick one in, but he fails to tell you that the sick one was egg-bound not ailing from anything else. I brought her to him because I didn't have the heart to put her down. Shortly after having got the female butter from Don we decided to do some trading with him. We got 1.1 snows het for possible green-blotch. During this time we were having trouble with the female butter she had ate only once since we had had her and after that feeding she regurged and never ate again, and yes anyone who knows anything about corns (animals period) knows that they are supposed to quarantine their animals. Hell I may be a little silly sometimes but I am not stupid by no means, neither is my husband. Shortly before all of these arguments started is when the butter passed away, but you know what is so funny Donnie boy she died after the amel stripe male did hmmm? She died after the babies that we traded died HMMM? Every animal that I have in my home has been quarantined. As for the three snakes that Donnie Boy speaks about in his first response, well the one I took to his house to be put down from egg-binding was one of them, the other female died almost immediately after dropping and the male... well he is very healthy and kicking. Doesn't sound like any of my snakes had a problem Donnie Boy. I know where this stuff came from. I really don't appreciate you calling my husband a liar. If we want to get technical about it you said that your snakes were in perfect health and that if for some odd reason something happened you would compensate us. Sure. As soon as we told you that something was wrong you started to find every excuse as to this not being your fault so that you wouldn't have to pay for it. Well as for the blood issue, ha,ha,ha. I don't want to know you damn business buddy I have a life and it doesn't revolve around Donnie Boy. All I wanted to know was that if you couldn't give me a blood female this year just tell me. Don't make open ended promises and not fulfill them. That's all of your business that I wanted to know. But as far as business goes, how is it that you make so much money that you can stay at home and never have to work... Can't be the snakes cause from my understanding unless your bedroom is completely full (which would be truly nasty) you can't afford to stay at home everyday. Come on Donnie Boy now I want to know your business. NOT! Just thought I would let everyone know that's all. And the Degus oh how stupid can you be you seem to "recall" all of the details that are convienent for you but you can't tell to much of the truth either. Donnie boy here promised us that we could have on of the babies in the trade that we made with him for the 1.1 amel stripes. Yes our story changed about the Degus, but we never told him that we didn't know we told him that we were researching it and that so far what we had found out was that they weren't illegal to possess or sell. The only stipulation to that Donnie Boy is that you have to have a USDA license to sell them. Otherwise they are perfectly legal to own in this state. Really expensive snake food since I found out that the going price on a breeding pair of Degus in this state is around the $95 mark (and this quote was from a WHOLESALER). As far as the necropsy is concerned I already knew that you dumba$$. I just didn't think that a "man of his word" as you stated to another young man in "Dishonest Don" (don't think I'll go to that one)would go back on his word, but what were the first words out of your mouth? Wasn't my fault. This man also called himself unhonest, untrustworthy, and a couple of other ones. Also, your really buttering it up aren't you "I helped them out in a time of need". People he gave me a phone number for crying out loud. Donnie boy, if I didn't know you from the man in the moon I would have found someone else to do the job. Another few things and then I will close. Donnie boy you didn't decide to get rid of your breeding trio until AFTER this argument began. the only thing I can figure is either 1) you did out of spite or 2)because they too are sick and you want to get your money's worth out of them. You can take you bloods and shove them. You my dear are the d@mn liar. Its people like these in the HOBBY that are LIARS that make you not want to purchase anything from anyone without checking their references first. Also as for the fact that we are supposed to know you so well. Hows that Donnie boy you "DON'T TRUST ANYONE" |
| Ritchie Luna |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8846.html Posted At 02:32:24 09/08/2001 Hey Dorothy girl! As I said before, If you were having problems with the snakes you purchased from him......Why did you buy some more? And why are you so hurt that he did not sell you his bloods? dorothy girl, you had problems with the snake....and yet you wanted to get more from him. Hey dorothy girl....did you read that? should I type slower? If you were having problems with the snakes, why did you get some more? hey Dorothy girl, You need a better or at least a grown up post. So what if he can't live on snakes alone? I can't live on selling snakes. I guess I am bad too. This is just a hobby for me so it probably makes me double bad in your book. Please do me a favor and put me on your list of bad guys and never deal with me. Your whole post was really dumb. And it showed your ignorance and level of maturity. All you proved is you were having trouble with some snakes and you still bought from him. And It also proves that you are still hurt because you did not get the bloods. Why do you STILL. want snakes from him when you were having trouble with the first ones? Boys will be boys...men will be men And women like you still open their mouths to stick their foot in it. Hope it taste good. Take that Dorothy girl <-----geez i fell stupid for saying that. I guess you do to |
| Ritchie Luna |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8847.html Posted At 02:42:01 09/08/2001 Dear Mr. and Mrs Pierce or Price. I did a search on Pierce. It seems you guys have had nothing but bad experiences. Also You posted a lot under pierce. And now it has changed to price? Congratulations. When did you all change your name? I was reading your posts and you have nothing good to say about anyone.....ANYONE Are you two just posting on this forum to give it some trouble? I remember a woman who always posted an inquiry about a person or company that would always insight little "riots".....is that what you are doing Messages get erased when people can't post last names. Well what about when they clearly can't spell their own name? Like when they post under a different name. Can't even have the inteligence to decide on which name you will use tonight. |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8849.html Posted At 03:58:40 09/08/2001 ONCE AGAIN IT IS "PRICE NOT PIERCE". We have never had any bad dealings until now, and we have only lived in Arizona for the past five months. Oh! I just remembered sometimes it is better not to say anything at all and let the facts speak for themselves. Honesty! Hmmm. To Whom It May Concern log on to www.maricopa.gov then on the left hand side click onto "court/legal matters", then go to menu on middle of page. Go under, "civil court matters". Next, "Court Cases" on the left side of the screen. Scroll down to court cases once again, then type, "Don Mercer", Donald T. Mercer or whatever alias he is trying to use. There is nothing else to be explained the facts have been publicized. One more thing once the reptiles started to die off,which were purchased from Mr. Mercer, we ceased to purchase anymore of his product. I doubt there will ever come a time, when I am criminaly prosecuted for the mistreatment of animals. Usually people who mistreat animals, have a past of behavioral health issues. "Never throw stones in a glass house", or should I say in a "Pink Tent". Caio...No matter what the case, no matter how bad. You always have an excuse my father taught me that excuses are like "you know what" everybody has one. A hard head makes a soft bottom. Take Care... |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8851.html Posted At 05:39:54 09/08/2001 I said I wouldnt post here again, but this is getting TOOOO good. First Miss Dorothy; Dont like me calling your husband a liar? Well how about this, You are as big a liar as Mr Charles!! You people are getting more and more pathetic by the second! Guess what Im going to do today? Cut open your "eggbound" snake I put down for you!!! Are you truly that sad that you need to continuesly have to lie to make yourself look like a victim? I cant believe you'd claim that snake died eggbound. Gee, I treated her two weeks earlier with Flaygl. Never knew you treated eggbound snakes for parasites. A little common sense please if you're going to lie, you don't freeze eggbound snakes. Now onto Charlie... Guess you still haven't changed, still pathetic as ever. So when was I ever charged with mistreating animals?? You are truly STUPID! It's no secret I've had my problems with G&F, but "illegal importation of a prohibited species" and "sale of a protected species" does not classify as mistreatment. Both of you, go crawl under the rock in which you came. You're just digging your own grave here. Now I'm done posting here, unless it gets too good to resist. Horrible ME, Donald T. Mercer Criminal |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8853.html Posted At 06:35:59 09/08/2001 Oops, forgot a couple things. Hey Charlie, what are you jealous that I am financially secure, own my own home and dont have to work 9-5? I've worked for everything I have, maybe someday if you grow up, you can have the same. Pretty sad you need to bring things like that up in your postings. Theres that insecuity problem of yours again. Ritchie, How about I send you 4 female Blood hatchlings, and you can let 2 cook in the sun, and then kill the other 2 by being an inexperienced idiot? Sound good? Dont ya love this? lol Don |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8854.html Posted At 06:36:07 09/08/2001 Oops, forgot a couple things. Hey Charlie, what are you jealous that I am financially secure, own my own home and dont have to work 9-5? I've worked for everything I have, maybe someday if you grow up, you can have the same. Pretty sad you need to bring things like that up in your postings. Theres that insecuity problem of yours again. Ritchie, How about I send you 4 female Blood hatchlings, and you can let 2 cook in the sun, and then kill the other 2 by being an inexperienced idiot? Sound good? Dont ya love this? lol Don |
| Chuck Peirce |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8860.html Posted At 10:28:37 09/08/2001 I found this on the forum here on Herpwantads.com. I found it interesting that this was posted on july 21, 2001. It seems TO ME when reading this post and the info here on the BOI that Mr Price is happy go lucky when he gets what he wants. If Mr Mercer passes info to better Mr Price and/or snakes then Mr Price would not complain. This does not have any significant info in his post, I just found it odd how Mr Price states the problems that he has had for whatever period of time, yet still refers to Mr Mercer as a "friend". Feel free to read the below post I copied and pasted here. Posted by Charles E. Price on July 21, 2001 at 10:49:28: I spoke with a friend of mine (Don Mercer) his advice informed me that Rats or more efficient as far as the asorbtion of essential nutrients for corn snakes than mice. I am wanting to purchase a trio of mice to produce offspring in effort to beef up some of my corns before hibernation. The question is what should I feed my rats (hamster food, etc...)? It would seem like the healthier the food the healthier the snake. |
| Carlos lahitte |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8861.html Posted At 10:44:41 09/08/2001 Ritchie. This is why this forum is too good, At the end we can find all the skuns together. |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8866.html Posted At 12:16:55 09/08/2001 "Chuck Pierce", if that is your real name. What an Idiot, you ever check the date July 21,2001 is when I made that statement, before hidden problems began to surface. Are you lacking in that much insight to figure it out. Mr. Mercer I am not jealous that you are a conv. criminal. I should of had realized that from the beginning, but sometimes I can be too trusting. Would it help to notice the pager like device around your ankle, oh I forgot you are a responsible man. You don't need that just a P.O. to take care of you. Remember this you made a name for yourself, just be responsible. If anyone is to buy reptiles from you (IF you are suppose to be selling them), they should do a little investigation, and check the web-site posted above. Don, I thought that you were not going to respond anymore, truth hurts, but it seems to be the only way to get an reaction out of you. I am sure you have some of your friends backing you up, but that is what friends are for. I am sure you all gather around in the back of your pick up truck, wearing your overalls, and penelton shirts, and go hunting every weekend...Remember Mr. Donald T. Mercer that there are two types of rights in this case,i.e. moraly right and legally right. How many people will it take for you to burn, oh! how's your buddy Mr. Tim Rainwater, that you speak so highly of. You warned us of persons such as Mr. Fowler, and so forth, but look at him then look at yourself. A thirty two year old foul mouth, convicted hermit, who is spending to much time trying to keep up with the Jones' in Scottsdale. For God's sake you have three daughter, and do not have the audacity to be a positive role model. At least my daughter will never have to say that her father was perverted enough for assaulting small animals. Look at the public records you have made yourself, the damn prosecuting attorney knows you by name. You have this the whole world is out to get me, why don't you all do us a favor and make a positive name for yourself. You have yet to say anything positive about yourself, and what you have contributed to the herp. society. If Noah knew how you were treating his animals he would be rolling in his grave. MAYBE the animals that were confiscated from you are in a better place. These are living things, and they should be treated as so, not just dollar signs. Good bye, and thanks for the insulting e-mails that you are sending to us, that you are so afraid to post. |
| Dorothy Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8868.html Posted At 12:43:55 09/08/2001 Well you say that you had some dealing with the law looks like ten counts of dealing. One of which count 11 is animal cruelty. You can say whatever you want to you dirty old bas*ard. The proof is right here for all to see. Forgot that I worked for a law office did we? Case closed, Ha,Ha,Ha! As far as the snake is concerned cut her open eat her do whatever it is that you want to do with her. The reason that we resorted to flagyl was a last ditch effort to see if maybe that might help her. As we told you when we brought her to you, our other friend had just helped her to pass some of the yolk from the egg that was bound in her. Simply put she did not recover from egg laying. Don't forget it is I that has two of your dead snakes that I could cut open just to see what it is that was wrong with them. Just as I told you in the previous posting that snake had nothing to do with the snakes that I bought from you dying. The butter female was the last to go that was after the amel stripe( who had his very own little house without any other little snake friends) so tell me how it is that the amel died. You seem to think you know how the butter died. So if the amel never came in contact with any of the other snakes how did he die? Because you sold me a sick animal and knew it to be sick and you just wanted to get you money's worth out of him. TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN; I HOPE THAT THE FOLLOWING REFRESHES YOUR MEMORY: Case Information Case Number: CR97-14399 Judge: UNASSIGNED Plantiff: STATE OF ARIZONA Case Type: CRIMINAL Defendant: DONALD T MERCER (A) Filing Date: 12/18/1997 Defendant DOB: 10/13/1969 Location: CENTRAL PHOENIX Party Information - (PROPER means self represented) P# Name Rel S BarID Attorney 001 STATE OF ARIZONA PLA N PROPER 002 GRAND JURY IMO N PROPER 003 DONALD T MERCER (A) DEF M 011984 HOWARD A SNADER 004 (UD) DEF U PROPER Case Documents Filing Date Description Docket Date 01/12/1998 ME: CASE TRANSFER TO SEJD 01/12/1998 12/31/1997 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE 01/10/1998 11984 P3 12/31/1997 MOTION 01/10/1998 11984 P3 TO EXTEND TIME TO FILE MOTION FOR REDETERMINATION OF PROBABLE CAU 12/24/1997 SUMMONS 12/26/1997 12274 P1 ( COUNTS 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12: SERVED CERT MAIL 12-22-97 12/18/1997 DEFENDANT WITNESS LIST 12/26/1997 C (A) 12/18/1997 INDICTMENT 12/26/1997 CONT'D SEASON A CLASS 6 FELONY (A) COUNT 11: ANIMAL CRUELTY A CLASS 1 MISDEAMEANOR (B) COUNT 12: OFFER OR SALE OF WILDLIFE A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR DR 94-709 AZ DEPT OF FISH AND GAME DOC: ON OR BETWEEN 3-7-97 TO 7 12/18/1997 INDICTMENT 12/26/1997 CONT'D COUNT 5: UNLAWFUL OFFER OF WILDLIFE FOR SALE A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANO COUNT 6: SALE OF WILDLIFE UNLAWFULLY IMPORTED A CLASS 6 FELONY (A COUNT 7: CONSPIRACY TO UNLAWFULLY SELL WILDLIFE SELL WILDLIFE A C COUNT 8: UNLAWFUL SALE OF WILDLIFE A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR (A) COUNT 9,10: BARTER OFFER OR SALE OF WILDLIFE UNLAWFULLY TAKEN DUR 12/18/1997 INDICTMENT 12/26/1997 12274 P1 ( COUNT 1: CONSPIRACY TO TRAFFIC IN STOLEN PROPERTY IN THE FIRST DE 2 FELONY (A,B) COUNT 2: UNLAWFUL IMPORTATION OF WILDLIFE A CLASS 2 MISDEMEANOR ( Home | Court Cases | Rules | Contact Us Copyright ©1999 Superior Court of Arizona in Maricopa County |
| Don Mercer |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8869.html Posted At 12:53:08 09/08/2001 For someone who thinks you know so much, you actually know very LITTLE. Reread the public records you posted, it clearly states me as "defendent A" If you look at the charges, the "animal cruelty" charge has a "B" next to it, as do several of the other charges. What does that tell you? Duh, there was another defendent in the case. You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. You really are doing a great job of making yourself look the trash you really are. Bringing ones personal matters into this situation is pathetic. Maybe I should stoop to your level and bring your personal matters into this. At this time, I am too much of a man to do that. Get a life! |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8870.html Posted At 13:16:38 09/08/2001 You at least admit that you have some type of association, and bye the way these are PUBLIC RECORDS, i.e. for everyone to see. Can someone call the WHAHHHMBULANCE!, if I wasn't mistaken I would think that you are a little sensitive. Is this the only case you want us to pull up? Or do you want anymore. Think before you speak young warrior. Can you honestly find something on me, I'll give you a hint. I lived a majority of my life traveling the world, at least I have never been afraid to leave the confines of my house. Bye the way in the beginning. Why didn't you want anyone to know that you were selling snakes? Remeber the conversation. You were very clandestine how you carried yourself. I am sure that you are sitting at your home waiting for any responses while wearing that same damn hat, looking at the keyboard while you are typing (Which hasn't changed). If you listen carefully to your computer's speaker you can hear the most smallest violen, and it is playing for you. Goodbye and as the boys say to at county, keep picking up that soap. |
| Karen (aka Don's girlfriend) |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8871.html Posted At 13:17:41 09/08/2001 Ok, I was planning on staying out of this, but all of these lies being told have gotten the best of me. I would just like to state the facts as I know them. Charles and Dorothy, I was at Don's home during 3 of your dealings with him, including when he treated your snake. No mention of this snake being eggbound was made. You both stated you had purchased sick snakes from another local person. You wanted Don to treat the male corn also, and Don advised you against that since the snake was feeding for you again. I was also there when you wanted to purchase the female Caramel right after it layed eggs, but Don refused to until she was feeding again. About your hatchlings, you told me that you were "force feeding" your non-feeding hatchling corns. You also told me that you knew that it could stress them out, and kill them. Could this be why your hatchlings died? Charles, you were picking up your daughter from my apartment when you first saw a post on Kingsnake.com for a pair of Blood hatchlings for sale on my computer. You then told me to call Don and ask if they were his Bloods. When you found out that they infact were his, you became very angry, and as days passed you told me that because Don broke a "verbal contract" that you were going to take him to court, and that you were going to talk to G&F, Kingsnake.com, and the Webmaster of this site. I too considered you friends, and you told me that you were so upset about Don allegedly lying to you about giving you a female Blood if he decided to part with one, but now I see you on here, writing nothing but lies, and trying to "bash" Don, and that to me makes you just as immoral, as you think he is. Karen |
| Charles Price |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8873.html Posted At 13:26:33 09/08/2001 You yourself told us that you question Don, but at the same time you responded by saying that he keeps you out of his deals. I knew where you were at, and I could care less. The fact is that if you are going to speak the truth, you may as well say it all. You yourself told me that you were present during the initial transactions via. trade. You yourself admitted that you did not know why he would go back on his word. You yourself said that you would do everything not ot get involved. come on Don? You got yourself into you get yourself out of it? Suck it up, and drive on...You wanted to meet me face to face and talk this out. I never objected, and I have been waiting. You remind me of one of those small dogs that are always barking through the screen door, soon to run away with their tail tucked in between their legs when confronted. Karen, for your best interest I think that you should keep this out of your hands, and leave it to Donnyson. Oh! Don, how's the Philippino chick you were telling me about, sorry Karen my wife didn't want me to say anything, but you wanted to bring the subject of truth. |
| WebSlave |
Re: Dealings with Local herp: in Scottsdale, AZ
8882.html Posted At 13:56:41 09/08/2001 OK! That's enough! I'm closing down this thread and will delete any new thread started by anyone related to this issue. Get on the phone and talk to each other. Airing this sort of dirty laundry in public is going far beyond the limits of good taste. |