mackleopardgeckos.com (Alex-no last name) very questionable even childish behaviour

Hi , Today I found this awesome new website linked to Alex Hue Reptiles` site, with forums and picture albums for the Mack Snow/Super Snow Leopard Gecko morph .

Registered with the site , and being one of the breeders working with the Mack Snow line figured this would be the place to show others what we are doing with the morph .

There is a list there of the breeders 'verified' to be working with the line and I contacted them to be added to the list . We (my mother Linda and myself) have had our adult Mack in our possesion since December of 05` and are working with the line just like anyone else . We are producing Jungle Macks , Super Hypo Macks , and Giant Het Albino Macks in hopes of producing the AMAZING Super Snows and visual SS crosses into the other lines .

Apparently I cannot be added to the list of breeders after receiving this response from IM GUESSING Alex Hue !

From: [email protected] Add to Address Book
To: "dan poe" <[email protected]>
Subject: registration
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:55:08 -0400


your registration has been canceled, do not re-register. Having you on my site is a headache I can do without.

Alex


I posted an introduction , a picture of a Super Hypo Mack Snow , commented on Alex` AWESOME Striped Mack , and asked about being 'verified' . Thats it , nothing else ! Though Im sure it has been erased by now .

This is the response I get Alex ?

dan, you are either one of the dumbest guys EVER to grace this site, or your megalomania is getting out of hand.

"your registration has been canceled, do not re-register. Having you on my site is a headache I can do without."

I guess he's exercising his right to deny access to a site he owns. I'm sure your previous encounters with him may have motivated this type of response.

All I can say is possibly offer to work out any past differences, publicly posting something like this before doing so probably destroyed that idea however. I think I would have tried reconciling differences before publicly bashing his initial reply to you.

As of now I think it is safe to say he does not want you to be part of his site, and I am sure he has his reasons. Did it cross your mind that you could have asked why and offered to discuss the matter before taking such offence.

I'm sure anyone would take offence, but still... A post on the BOI of all places is a bit premature.

Then again, this post really should not be here either. This does not look to be a discussion or inquiry regarding a transaction / sales experience.

You can be a good kid Dan when you want to be, but things like this I'm sure motivate a decision like Alex's.

Good Luck.

I wonder if this is one of those "new" things Rich will be dealing with?

Also, I now remember the word or phrase I was searching for to describe this post since it did not belong here......

This seems like a gross baiting attempt, again... please use some thought before reacting Dan. This is what I would call an abuse of the BOI and what it is here for.

...questionable even childish behavior? omg Dan. knowing the rest of the story as i do, i would call it showing amazing maturity and restraint on alex's part to respond as reasonably as he did. And for those who dont know the rest of the story, if there are any left out there, let me find a link to that thread, just gimme a sec...

(If you wish to have your site listed Here...please send e-mail to [email protected] with your website url. All Persons wishing to have their link added here must also include the name of the breeder whom you obtained your Mack Leopard Geckos from. All persons listed below have been verified to be working with the Mack Lines. Anyone not verified to be working with Mack Lines will not be added)

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Before Laura posts the story (which I don't know), are you a verified owner of one? You said you have your since December 05', is it 04'?

Here is the story, tis long, but tis an interesting read:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66548

04. im sure he made a boo boo (typo)

After all the crap you put him threw, you are wondering why he won't let you on his site? I mean you recieved that Mack Snow underhandedly then say it was sickly when you recieved it. You make a big deal out of it and you STILL wonder why? I can honestly say that i am truely amazed on how stupid you really are. Now get a life, grow up and move on.

What story ? How we were badmouthed for sixty something pages in the Leo forum ? Because Dan decided to sell me HIS Mack .

It is too bad when Dan posted his polygraph tests here it was erased for being in the wrong format .

This post does NOT belong on the BOI.

dan, you're really something here.

Ever hear of sour grapes?

Dan,
This is not an appropriate BOI topic. It has been moved to a more appropriate forum.

Dan, you have some lovely geckos and can be a real asset to Fauna. You have many great qualitites, but reacting maturely to confrontation is NOT one of them, which you have proven over and over again. Temper tantrums are not the way to handle things when you don't get your way. For example, I called you out on a thread on the Leopard Gecko Forum, and you threatened a lawsuit! http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=313758&postcount=38

While I agree that the Mack Snow 'drama' went w-a-a-a-y overboard on the part of everyone that was directly involved, Alex Hue has just as much right to deny you membership on his website as Dan Lubinsky had to sell you HIS Mack Snow.

Dan, Im not sure what you thought you were going to accomplish by posting this. Everytime I think you have gotten yourself together you do something like this and it just makes me shake my head in total wonder of what you could possible be thinking.

What you did to Alex was wrong, even if Dan L did not know that you had been denied ownership of the Mack, you sure as heck knew and you got the Mack indecently.

I really think you need to get past this, heck I thought you had but I guess I was wrong about that completely.

Ive tried to think, hey Dan is doing much better, glad to see he is letting this all go, then BAM you start up something again that you have no right to gripe about.

No one has to allow you onto their site at any time, anywhere and if I were Alex I would not let you on either.

Alex is an amazing person, he helped me so so much when I first got started, even with animals I did not buy from him. What you did to him was uncalled for, underhanded and truly unforgivable.

Alot of this community has tried and tried to forgive and forget but you won't let that happen and its sad.

mackleopardgeckos.com (Alex-no last name) very questionable even childish behaviour

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I think the same could be said for the intiator of this thread. Really Dan, what did you expect?

Well I would have to say that after reading that entire thread about this situation and how you got your hands on that gecko and then this, I will no longer consider purchasing from you. I had been eyeing up some of your geckos but due to my high morals i could not allow myself to do so now. I will spend my money where I can get a guarantee on genetics, which all Verified Breeders on that site have. It would be impossible for me to resell any geckos bought from you if your not on the verified site of all the "mack Snow" breeders, otherwise i would just have to tell my customers to take someones word on it. Not too many people are willing to take someones word on high end,high priced geckos such as those.Atleast when i resell Mack snows and crosses from verified breeders I will be able to give the customers the link to Alex's site to verify the Breeders genetics and have happy customers. Good luck in your endevours at selling unverified mack snows to people that dont need to have proof of genetics, but i wont be one of your customers.

1st I did not know it was Alex` site ,it says MACK in huge letters .

Not sure why i was fined and suspended here . Ill try to answer and get to the point more clearly .

which all Verified Breeders on that site have. It would be impossible for me to resell any geckos bought from you if your not on the verified site of all the "mack Snow" breeders, otherwise i would just have to tell my customers to take someones word on it.

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This is exactly the point of the thread being in the BOI . That we are not allowed to be 'verified' as a Mack breeder ? When we have been crossing the Mack line into others for the last 10 months. We (my mother or myself )did not do anything to deserve being denied 'verified' status that we are working with the line , and was my point .

Sure I would like to be part of this site being one of the first to work with the line ,but is not my concern for Alex` actions as much as it is the concern people are also viewing us not being 'verified' , the way Nicolai stated .

It is a concern for us as much as it is for the morph in general . We ARE working with the line . We are NOT selling any 'co-doms' besides any extra males . And we have produced ONLY a handful and have a whole ONE available Super Hypo Mack male .

What good does it do for the morph to have us 'Groovy Geckos' , who are working with the line swept under the rug ?

So our stock does not hold the same value because we are not 'verified' . We will hatch the same exact Super Snows & SS combos as everyone else . There is NO mistaking a Super Snow BTW

And since we will not be able to sell 'verifiable' Super Snows LOL at the higher price this could affect others as well working toward the Supers and crosses .

Why would he shut us out ,and possible hurt the value of every morph that could come from it ?? Because he still feels he was wronged ? Hence my stating "childish behaviour" . Now thats one of those 'what the hell are they thinking' things

Dan L. posted proof (polygraph)that he bought that animal for himself and decided to sell .

Well it is US who was wronged long after the fact the purchase was made from Dan by the accusations made in that thread (after posting a picture)and here on the BOI . Started by Mr. Johnson who we have never even done business with , to talk about 'premature' and 'being posted in the wrong place' (the BOI) .

As if the thread in the Leo forum didnt do us in as it was ?

I dont understand how it is 'wrong' to buy what I wanted given the opportunity after being denied elsewhere . Do you not ,or are you wrong , to buy the sportscar because one source says 'no ' for some reason ? LOL

So if Alex said he would not sell to me , that means I should not even think of asking Albey or John ?

I dont understand Nicolai how you (or anyone) can read through all of the accusation and slander and believe it . Nothing underhanded was done except by Alex , I see it as an attempt to take us out . Many many many accusations and NO word of truth in it .

You see Alex lied in his reply ,he said he denied me the sale right from the start . Not true !

We were speaking only of size, price, payment, and shipping . No questionare BS as he stated . Again not true .

I was in the middle of working it out with him , trying to decide what size , and was even talking about one Mack and one Super (1.1) . Decided on two Macks ,e-mailed him that , bought female SHTCTB`s and Giant Albinos to breed him to later . So we had allready started putting money into the project based on our e-mail exchange that we were indeed buying a pair of Macks . The we were smacked with :

"Iwill not sell to you so you can sell for less and have told others not to deal with you "

I was speaking with Jodi Aherns also about a pair , just to see if the pricing was different , because I had heard John mack sold for cheaper at shows. He also offered 1.1 including a Super Snow . Well next day he said he could not sell a Super and sorry and all was fine .

1.1 Snows was then what we were speaking of and I would have to contact Alex to run a credit card . Now realizing Jodi was selling for Alex ,who was not answering and perhaps I called impatiently a number of times . But he said he was shipping Monday after I made payment Fri , well it was Fri and Im getting no answer .

So then I hear from Jodi "Alex and John have asked me not to sell to you and I will listen"

BLACKLISTED ! Now thats perfectly acceptable huh ?

Now the 'drama' unfortunately has not gone anywhere . Alex seems to be the ONLY one that is keeping that from happening . Its unprofessional at best

dan, answer this..

let me ask you a few questions..


1) Did you know that alex hue didnt want you to have a mack snow??


2) Did you try to buy one from him and get denied??


3) Did you think Alex would be happy about you buying dan L's Mack snow


4) Did you honestly think Alex would let you on his site after what conspired?


5) Do you think you helped yourself by posting this thread or do you think you put yourself right back on everyones bad side by bad mouthing alex who has a lot of friends here??


6) Can you think of anyway to redeem yourself from all this propaganda


You state you didnt know that the site was indeed alex hues site but the you say "i , Today I found this awesome new website linked to Alex Hue Reptiles` site". Why were you on his site if he did all these bad things to you. Why woould you think a Mack Snow site LINKED to his didnt somehow involve him??? Please forgive the questions I am just trying to get all this straight in my head.


There are a lot of breeders waiting to get in this project both here in the US and abroad. I have talked to several people in the United Kingdom that are waiting for available Macks that they can have shipped to them and they are definetely going to buy from th site because they will get the "PAPERWORK" for the MACKS proving thier genetics.
I for one am also waiting "financially" to get a pair and saw your super you posted a pic of and thought maybe you might have offspring for sale in the near future. I didnt know of all the issues until this thread came to light. I am just wondering how many other people only now became aware of this as well because of you starting this thread. I have to many friends and business relationships that could be jeapordized if I were to buy from you and that i couldnt afford either personally or financially. I think that super hypo of yours is a awesome leo and am sure hell produce great offspring for you.
I am not going to judge you for anything that has happened in the past between you and alex and others. But on the same token I wouldnt ever be able to buy from you for the same reason.

Dan, this is what we call Karma.