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Originally Posted by anaconda420
ben i guess you miss understood my post... HYPOS yes... you got hypos, hypo green-well you got alot of genes mixed in the bunch for the blood line. so Yes yours dont look like a Green... thats what we are saying. so you are the frist to produce a
HYPO, GREEN (het every damn thing)...lol and that everything is messing with the pattern.
97% of people reading these post dont reply but i will tell you the phones are ringing and i have to say its getting kinda funny.
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Amanda,
I think I understood your post, but I'm not sure you understood mine. It sounds like you are saying you don't think mine are hypo greens???? I'm sorry, but there really isn't anything else they could be. Aside from the albino gene the only other gene in this clutch is the granite gene. Since the female is the only one that carries it, no granites can be produced. Only 50% het granites. This doesn't change anything as far as the expected out come of the clutch. The only new snakes that can be produced are hypo greens and hypo albino greens. Sure they could be het granite as well, but big deal. We have already seen hypos het for granite and we know these new snakes aren't that, and we have all seen normal greens het granites, and we know these new ones aren't that. So there really isn't any question about what these new ones are.
Again, not to discredit anything Brad had done, but look at the facts. If you or anyone else that is talking about this can't see all this for what it is, then I don't get it.
1. He bred an adult green to a hypo het albino. Very unlikely his male was het green as that snake would have been much more expensive and the seller would have likely known about it. Could it have happened? Yes, but very very unlikely. Very very low odds. I on the other hand used a hypo male that was for sure het for albino green.
2. Out of the 4 eggs Brad had make it, all 4 babies carried the green gene. So here we have male hypo that isn't even known to be het for green, and he produced 4 babies that all carry the green gene??? If you don't know the odds are 50% for each baby to be green when you breed a green to another snake that is only het for green. basically its like you flipping a coin and calling heads, and getting it right 4 times in a row. Again, the odds are against that. Considering this and the fact that brads hypo male wasn't known to be het for green, it would be much more likely that his female green was sired by a green male some how either before he got it or while in his care. Please remember burms have been known to retain sperm from past seasons as well. My clutch on the other hand has produced all offspring that you would expect from the parents I paired up, as both hypos and greens were present in the clutch.
3. Every other female Brad put with his hypo male slugged out except for the one that produced the 4 greens. From the sound of it, it sounds like his hypo male was off this season based on the other three females. It would point to the male not being fertile right now for what ever reason. Yet, here we have a female green bred to a hypo male not known to be het for green, produce four viable eggs that contain 4 babies all with the green gene, even though every other female slugged out. Please think about how likely all that is.
4. Last, even though his two greens do stand out from the other two, there really isn't anything hypo about them, and there are other greens out there that look like them. Just do a simple web search. There is a reason why after you posted pics people on the forums kept saying they look just like greens. I asked Brad multiple times on the phone how they looked in the egg before coming out(this was before I had a better sence of how mine looked). He said they looked pretty much how they do now. They weren't lighter in color, didn't have any faint pattern, not pink or anything. He also mentioned his have more dorsal spots than greens he has produced in the past which he thought might mean they are hypo. Now, my hypo greens which we know are hypo greens from everything I said above look nothing like his now that they are more developed. Mine are much more striped, and the stripe is very narrow. much more than normal greens that have a stripe. They are completely clean on the sides. No spots at all. As far as the het granite thing goes, I have 7 hypo greens and albino hypo greens in the clutch. You can bet some carry the het granite gene and some don't based on how many I have, so there doesn't look to be much that the het granite gene does to change things on the hypo greens. There is certainly no reason to doubt mine being hypo greens based on that.
So consider everything I said above about how Brad got his, and how I got mine. Then look at how mine look and how his look. I really don't see how anyone could think at this point his are hypo greens, let alone have any doubt about what mine are. If any of these people you are talking to want to call me they are more than welcome. I haven't had anyone post or call me saying they don't think mine are hypo greens other than you. So I would like to hear from them too.
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