I am going to attempt to make a long story as short as possible.
Years ago Jeane - my mother used to breed and sell Rankins. She had adults that had coloring in them. It became a major discussion on Fauna that they were considered to not be "pure" Rankin, but generations before mixed with Bearded Dragon. Not because of those threads, but the outcome a few years later was that she sold all her Rankins, even the breeders. I will agree that someone somewhere down the lines cross species, and I now want pure rankins. So, I expect fully that some posters will say I got what I deserved, blah, blah, blah. The bottom line is no matter what you think of me, a business deal is a deal, and in this case, I didn't get what I paid for. Here is the link to the old "Pure Rankins" debate.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...hlight=rankins
Now years later I aquired a female. (no color) that I gave to Jeane. I have been looking to purchase more for almost a year for her, posting wanted ads on KS. Calientedragons posted a KS ad selling Rankins with overhead photos of plain old tan rankins shown. Typical bow patterning. The seller said they were new from a UK bloodline.The ad is now gone.
"Rankin's Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons! Out Of New Imported Lines! - Imported line unrelated to any Current US LInes~$200 each + Shipping"
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51
I purchased the adult male, and one baby. When I recieved them I noticed a different head structure on the adult than any pure Rankin I have ever had.He appears to be a "Drankin". He has fatty side jowles on his neck and he is able to portrude his lover neck- just like how Bearded Dragons push out their beard. It is my understanding that Rankins dont have the cartiledge in their necks to be able to do this. My concern is that I have yet again aquired some "Drankins".
Several people I emailed agree with me about the physical differences.And I am unable to track the originating breeder. The UK connection she finally gave me simply "aquired" them, and no specifics as from where. Still there is also no parent pictures provided to me. Then AFTER all of this transpired, I found an ad here on Fauna for other babies, probably related to the one I got that are CLEARLY orange and advertised now as "OrangeXYellow ". The baby I got does not have color, but going on the previous years fauna war, it was decided that color means unpure bloodlines.
I dont want these 2 animals. Now after changing their minds several times she wants me to send them back at my expense, and also eat the shipping cost of recieving them. Roughly $100. If someone ordered a Crested from me and I shipped them a crested X Gargoyle crossing I would'nt expect them to eat any of the costs, even if I didn't know what I originally had was a crossing. Frankly I am quiet suprised that years ago we posted colored Rankin babies for sale and people went nuts on us, now colored rankins up for sale simply go unnoticed??????
At the bottom of the page on my website I am posting the first 2 pictures of my adult female. She looks like all the other Rankins I have had except no color. The 2nd 2 pictures are the male in question. The baby is 2 inches, so I am unable to tell yet, but supposedly from the same bloodlines as the adult male.
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...bledragons.htm
All emails and photos are below. Calientedragons replies are in Italics. I will let you be the judge.
From: <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:30 PM
To: <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
> *************
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>
> I am very interested in getting some rankins. Can you sex them yet? I would like a couple of females. Shipping to 99206 (business addy). Thanks, Jeane
>
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http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=699656&cat=51
On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: dragonlady99212@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 1:13 PM
Hi Jeane,
They are not sexed.. I can do $35 for overnight shipping in an insulated box...
Heidi 
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 2:43 PM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
How much do they weigh?
Thanks, Jeane
On Wed, 7/8/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 8:08 PM
They are about 4.5 inches and 5 grams Hatched 6/10/2009 and ready to ship next week...
I also have an adult proven male if interested, He is very mean though..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:56 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
How many do you have available?
Thanks, Jeane
On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:08 AM
7 Babies that are old enough to go..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:44 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Ok, last questions
Are the 7 all siblings? And can you give me a deal on all 7? And a quote on all 7 and the Adult male too.- Thanks
Thanks, Jeane
On Thu, 7/9/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 3:56 PM
Yes they are all from the same clutch, I can do $1225 for the 7 babies or $1375 for the 7 babies and the Adult..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:10 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Can you give me any details about the adult, age? You said he is mean, toward people or the female rankins? How much for just him shipped?
Thanks, Jeane
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:27 PM
I got him a little over a month ago, I was told he was about 1.5 years, looks about right.. He is just mean towards me, not other rankins, I have him housed with another male right now and they are fine, I have not put him with a female yet, He is just too mean to me, tries to bite me when I pick him up lol. $200 shipped
Let me know if you have any more questions..
here is a picture ( sorry I took it with my iphone)
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:37 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
I want him for sure. Do you think you could try to sex any of the babies? I would really like a female if at all possible.
Thanks, Jeane
On Sat, 7/11/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:45 AM
I could do my best, but there is no way I could guarantee it, They are real small right now..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:27 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Okay, so give me a total for the two shipped. What type of payment do you want?
Thanks, Jeane
--- On Sun, 7/12/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, July 12, 2009, 5:01 PM
Got your payment Thanks, Would you like me to ship on Monday for Tuesday delivery?
To:
XXXXXX N. XXXXX Rd. Spokane, WA 99212
Thanks,
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:30 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Yes, that would be great. Please let me know which carrier and a tracking #.
Thanks, Jeane
On Mon, 7/13/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 10:06 AM
Fed Ex Priority Overnight tracking number XXXXXXXXXXXX
Someone needs to be there to sign for the box,
Please let me know when they get there safe
Thanks!
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:43 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
My rankins came this morning. Both are fine, however the male is definetly not pure rankin. Rankins do not have the cartlidge in there lower jaw like regular bearded dragons. The male you sent has the cartlidge, so he's mixed with a bearded dragon.
If you get this e-mail more than once, I was having internet issues.
Thanks, Jeane
On Tue, 7/14/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 11:26 AM
Wow that stinks! I really looked him over when I got him and he looked pure to me! But you never know these days!
Can you please educate me and explain? Can you send a picture of what your referring to? I would like to compare with the rest of my clan..
Thanks,
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:07 PM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
I'll take some pics tonight. The camera is at the shop. Basically he has a bulging beard (jowels) like a bearded dragon. Rankins have no way of pooching their necks out. It is flat all the time.
Thanks, Jeane
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2009 2:17 PM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
ok heres 2 pics of yours, and 2 pics of ours. You will see the difference in how yours has jowels that protrude out the side of the neck, and cartiledge below that makes a beard.
Thanks, Jeane
On Thu, 7/16/09, www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com> wrote:
From: www.calientedragons.com <calientedragons@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:44 PM
Interesting....
You know this may sound funny but I tracked sown where the previous owner got him and they are looking for the emails but thought it may be you guys lol...
I am very sorry if indeed he is not pure, I had no intention or knowledge of that... If you would like to send him back I will refund your money...
How is the little girl doing? Don’t worry about her, I know for sure she is pure..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2009 3:56 PM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Well, the bad news is the baby already has jowles, so it cant be pure, someone within 5 generations crossed these with beardies. It takes at least 5 generations to get it back out. If I had to guess these are 3-4 year generations.
I can ship them back for a refund, or if you want to work something out at a discount I will sell them at the shop as "Drankins", save them the stress of more shipping.
Let me know what you want to do.
Thanks, Jeane
: Message about: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:57 PM
From:
"www.calientedragons.com" <calientedragons@msn.com>
Add sender to Contacts
To:
"Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
After further inspection of all the Rankins here, they all have a little a beard or Jowles, even the ones I have had for years... I cant possibly believe that they are all hybrids..
If you were so sure of what to look for then why wouldn’t you ask for pictures? I am sorry I will have to take back my offer to take them back, My husband pointed out that we do not need to take that risk, when we were not dis-honest in any way...
If they do have some pogona passed in from 3-4 generations there is no way for you to possibly know that so how could you accuse!
I am sorry but you got what was advertised, and in no way did I miss-lead you..
Heidi
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2009 1:52 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
The previous e-mails were sent by my daughter on my behalf. She wasn't accusing you of doing the crossing. I had contacted you before when you had some rankins for sale and you told me that you had breeding stock from Europe. I thought that was the person that possible did the crossing and didn't tell you.
I haven't had any rankins for several years. I only had one crossing that produced 3 babies and I know where all of them are. They were all placed with friends at work, so this little male can't be from me.
Could you please send pics of the babies parents? I would like to send the little male back as I can't use him to breed to my female.
Thanks, Jeane
From: Jeane Best
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2009 9:21 AM
To:
www.calientedragons.com
Subject: Re: Message about
: Rankin\\\\\\\'s Dragon AKA Lawsons Dragons!
I posted on several boards and I emailed several people and sent and photos that deal in Rankins. Also a photo of the 3 colored babies you had for sale on Fauna. It was the general opinion of everyone that they are not pure rankins. Due to the neck of the adult, and the orange on the babies. Rankins do not have coloring.
I never recieved parent pictures and you seem unwilling to disclose your "UK" source for me to contact about their bloodlines.
I am sorry, but I did not get "Rankins" for Uk bloodlines, as advertised.They are not 100% Rankins. I am going to ship these back out to you on Monday, you will recieve them Tue by 10:30. Please refund $400 to the paypal account I sent it from
tessie83856@yahoo.com
Thank you so much for your understanding.
Thanks, Jeane
To: "Jeane Best" <dragonlady99212@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, July 18, 2009, 10:22 PM
Iwill refund you money minus my shipping cost.. You never asked where I imported them, They were imported through Josh of Phantom Dragon and his connections..
Please disclose where you posted on the boards so I can read them..
Thanks,
Heidi
THIS IS OUR ADULT FEMALE WE HAVE HAD
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...0dragons/ours1[1].jpg
THIS IS OUR ADULT FEMALE WE HAVE HAD
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...0dragons/ours2[1].jpg
PHOTO SHE SENT ME VIA EMAIL OF THE ADULT MALE
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...s/untitled.jpg
ADULT MALE SHE SENT ME- I TOOK PHOTOS
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...dragons/yours1[1].jpg
ADULT MALE SHE SENT ME- I TOOK PHOTOS
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...dragons/yours2[1].jpg
BABIES THAT I FOUND SHE LISTED AFTER I RECIEVED MINE
http://www.freewebs.com/rivercityrep...kinsbabies.jpg
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