• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Info Craig Hughes (twohy4you)

Quiet Tempest said:
I don't agree with this analogy. It would imply that the male has done all of the work simply because he's a morph and the female's done nothing because she's normal. Using this same analogy I would argue that the female bought the land, cut her own lumber, got all of the necessary permits and built the house. The male simply contributed a coat of paint once everything was finished. :p
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It was meant more along the lines of Abby being the builder and Craig donating the nails, since she did all the work (breeding, feeding, incubating etc).

Either way, she agreed that he gets two snakes, so I don't see why people are still going on about this...
 
Kingofspades said:
It was meant more along the lines of Abby being the builder and Craig donating the nails, since she did all the work (breeding, feeding, incubating etc).

Either way, she agreed that he gets two snakes, so I don't see why people are still going on about this...
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Because it's really a discussion on what's right in a situation, not just a discussion about what these two people in particular should or should not do. Since none of the particupants(other than the two people) are actually involved or had first hand witness accounts to any of it, that's what the discussion is in the first place.
 
All the same, a bunch of back and forth bickering from the sideliners - while on topic - doesn't really add much now that Abby has made her offer to Craig.

What I would like to see is Abby posting the final breakdown (with pics, so there can be disputes or claims of inappropriate labeling). Once that has been established, all that will remain is the division of the babies.

Abby, with the Huffman being a relatively new morph, and somewhat normal looking - how confident are you in your ability to accurately identify the babies?

And where did Craig come up with his idea that all 5 babies are Huffmans?
 
My bad. Reading further though the thread I see that this could have been a different clutch from a different valueless normal female. :rolleyes:

Dates and number of babies are close enough though, so maybe that's what is confusing him? :shrug01:

Craig, have you even seen pictures of the clutch yet? Has anyone?
 
chongorojo said:
Split and walk away Abby, just call this one of those lessons learned the HARD way.
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Yep :thumbsup:

hhmoore said:
Abby, with the Huffman being a relatively new morph, and somewhat normal looking - how confident are you in your ability to accurately identify the babies?

And where did Craig come up with his idea that all 5 babies are Huffmans?
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Harald - yes I am confident in my ability to identify them. However, since they are new and not many have been produced, what falls within the normal variation of the morph is still relatively unknown. My own opinion and that of others is that they are indeed, BUT I want to be SURE.

(and yes, all the ones I have available for sale I am 100% SURE on.)

I honestly don't know why he is insisting there are 5 - I've told him from the beginning the numbers I gave in the original post.
 
Also - I have contacted him 3 times off of the forum and have received no response, so I don't know what is going on :shrug01:
 
Abby said:
Yep :thumbsup:


Harald - yes I am confident in my ability to identify them. However, since they are new and not many have been produced, what falls within the normal variation of the morph is still relatively unknown. My own opinion and that of others is that they are indeed, BUT I want to be SURE.

(and yes, all the ones I have available for sale I am 100% SURE on.)

I honestly don't know why he is insisting there are 5 - I've told him from the beginning the numbers I gave in the original post.
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So, how many Huffmans are there? If there are just three, then all this hooplah seems sort of silly to bring here, doesn't it? And why would his original understanding of the loan - splitting with you picking first, him second, you third and so on be such a big deal? With three Huffmans, you would have gotten 2 with your first two picks and he'd get one and then he'd get one normal and you'd get the extra.

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Because that seems so silly to bicker about in a 3 Huffman clutch, that's why I think most of us believed that the entire clutch was Huffmans. You said your friends you consulted before advised one Huffman and all the normals, but you only offered him one snake - and then he asked about the other three, assuming he was doing his "turn" at picking.

That's how "I" drew the conclusion that the rest must also be Huffmans, or this would be a non-issue. :shrug01:
 
well sorry people but i have a 12 hour a day job and the last 2 days i've been in an E85 refinery. not cell phone use or computers allowed. when i get home i take care of my 5 year old that just lost her first tooth and started kindergarden today(WAY MORE IMPORTANT) now she is laying down so i will put my 2 cents in.

A. out of 3 females abby says she has gotten almost 98% huffmans. can she really judge them? i know i couldn't so why not give me the male i picked (that does look like a huffman) and the yellow belly or one of the other "huffmans".

she texted me and said i will pick three and you can have the two left over. more b.s.

from the get go i said i will bring you as many normal females you want me to for 50/50.
she gets first pic.

I am willing to go pick up two bps. but A. not the ones she picks out.B. the male i picked(wich she already had a holdback on another male on her iherp page from the same clutch noted) and either the yellow belly or another from the same clutch. don't give a crap if male or female. C. i want pictures emailed to me before i even go pick them up so i know i'm getting what i am suppose to be getting.

If this sounds good to her i will go get them.


D. Anyone want the leftover for a great deal i have no use for it.
 
twohy4you said:
well sorry people but i have a 12 hour a day job and the last 2 days i've been in an E85 refinery. not cell phone use or computers allowed. when i get home i take care of my 5 year old that just lost her first tooth and started kindergarden today(WAY MORE IMPORTANT) now she is laying down so i will put my 2 cents in.

A. out of 3 females abby says she has gotten almost 98% huffmans. can she really judge them? i know i couldn't so why not give me the male i picked (that does look like a huffman) and the yellow belly or one of the other "huffmans".

she texted me and said i will pick three and you can have the two left over. more b.s.

from the get go i said i will bring you as many normal females you want me to for 50/50.
she gets first pic.

I am willing to go pick up two bps. but A. not the ones she picks out.B. the male i picked(wich she already had a holdback on another male on her iherp page from the same clutch noted) and either the yellow belly or another from the same clutch. don't give a crap if male or female. C. i want pictures emailed to me before i even go pick them up so i know i'm getting what i am suppose to be getting.

If this sounds good to her i will go get them.


D. Anyone want the leftover for a great deal i have no use for it.
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I see this as fair , but really this thread shows who to stay away from and why even breeder loans Between "friends" are risky.
 
twohy4you said:
can she really judge them? i know i couldn't so why not give me the male i picked (that does look like a huffman) and the yellow belly or one of the other "huffmans".
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Because, by your own terms, Abby gets first pick....and letting you choose what's behind door number 3 (the yellowbelly) is entirely at her discretion because it wasn't part of the deal.
she texted me and said i will pick three and you can have the two left over. more b.s
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No argument...and, in fact, if that is accurate, it would again raise the question of what the babies are.

from the get go i said i will bring you as many normal females you want me to for 50/50.
she gets first pic.
With all due respect - consider yourself lucky that she bred that one female for you on an even split; especially if it was going to involve snakes with a decent value. Realistically, producing extra babies just becomes extra work, and when that work is just to help out a friend, where is the benefit to the breeder? Karma? Not worth it, lol. If the females you were offering gave Abby a chance to make things she hadn't already produced, or couldn't with minimal investment, it could be seen as mutually beneficial.
I am willing to go pick up two bps. but A. not the ones she picks out.B. the male i picked(wich she already had a holdback on another male on her iherp page from the same clutch noted)
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Stop right there. Again, by your own terms, Abby gets first pick....and if she chooses the only snake of the clutch that you like, you lose.
i want pictures emailed to me before i even go pick them up so i know i'm getting what i am suppose to be getting.
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You've already stated that you can't identify a Huffman. What would you do if Abby just sent you an email of 4 babies - stating that she removed her first pick from the group - and told you to make your first selection? (OR, if she did the same thing with them sitting right in front of you).

So, did Abby tell you from the start that there were 2 or 3 Huffmans, as she claimed? If so, why have you repeatedly posted that all 5 were?
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Harald, if they weren't all Huffmans we wouldn't be having this post. remember she said i could have one huffman and all of the normals earlier on. i'm leaving for work but when i get home i will dig up the message that says there are atleast 3 and she wasn't sure about the other two. the picture is so that i can see the pattern on the snake and compare it to the ones out of my clutch.
if she wants the one i picked first, your right i lose that pick. no biggie.
 
hhmoore said:
With all due respect - consider yourself lucky that she bred that one female for you on an even split; especially if it was going to involve snakes with a decent value. Realistically, producing extra babies just becomes extra work, and when that work is just to help out a friend, where is the benefit to the breeder? Karma? Not worth it, lol. If the females you were offering gave Abby a chance to make things she hadn't already produced, or couldn't with minimal investment, it could be seen as mutually beneficial.

Stop right there. Again, by your own terms, Abby gets first pick....and if she chooses the only snake of the clutch that you like, you lose.
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Thanks Harald. :)

hhmoore said:
So, did Abby tell you from the start that there were 2 or 3 Huffmans, as she claimed? If so, why have you repeatedly posted that all 5 were?
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I do not remember ever claiming that 3 were definitely Huffmans. I specifically remember saying 2 definitely were and the other 3 might be. To clear anything up, this is how my 3 huffman clutches went:

Normal x Huffman - 5 Huffmans. 1.4.

Normal (Craig's) x Huffman - 1.1 Huffmans, 2.1 that look like they could be, but again I am not 100%. I wanted to see them grow more as well as the other definites in my other clutches to be sure.

Lesser x Huffman - 1.2 Huffmans, 1.0 Lesser Huffman, 0.1 Lesser and 1.0 that looks similar to the possibles in the 2nd clutch. Again, waiting to see him shed and grow a little.

I have been nothing but honest in this thread. Unfortunately some of the people posting here have been biased against me (or the morph, for that matter) for quite some time reasons unknown and seem to be responding to those things instead of looking at it from both perspectives.

I can see why Craig would be upset if he truly believed he was getting 50/50 - but he should also be able to see where I am coming from as well, especially noting that we didn't re-hash the deal and I did attempt to but he didn't answer me or bring it up until way late in the game. Like I mentioned before I brought this here because everyone I spoke to beforehand agreed with me. There is a lot of grey area here. We both made mistakes.
 
twohy4you said:
well sorry people but i have a 12 hour a day job and the last 2 days i've been in an E85 refinery. not cell phone use or computers allowed. when i get home i take care of my 5 year old that just lost her first tooth and started kindergarden today(WAY MORE IMPORTANT) now she is laying down so i will put my 2 cents in.

A. out of 3 females abby says she has gotten almost 98% huffmans. can she really judge them? i know i couldn't so why not give me the male i picked (that does look like a huffman) and the yellow belly or one of the other "huffmans".

she texted me and said i will pick three and you can have the two left over. more b.s.

from the get go i said i will bring you as many normal females you want me to for 50/50.
she gets first pic.

I am willing to go pick up two bps. but A. not the ones she picks out.B. the male i picked(wich she already had a holdback on another male on her iherp page from the same clutch noted) and either the yellow belly or another from the same clutch. don't give a crap if male or female. C. i want pictures emailed to me before i even go pick them up so i know i'm getting what i am suppose to be getting.

If this sounds good to her i will go get them.


D. Anyone want the leftover for a great deal i have no use for it.
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If you have no use for the extra snake, why are you making such a big deal over it?
That is beyond ridiculous.
 
Craig - I was serious when I asked what you would do if she plopped the babies on the table with no explanation of what was what (other than male/female). You've said you didn't want her picking for you....she'd be well within her rights to lay them out, and let you pick for yourself.
I'll be honest - I just sent Abby a PM...while it wasn't sent for this reason, in it I expressed the above; and that I would be inclined to make the split now, and not worry about identifying the other babies. Whether it is done via email, or in person, the two of you should make your selections. She can worry about identifying hers later, and you can do whatever you want with the ones you pick. Once the selection is done, take your animals and bring this to an end.
 
so what are the animals in the clutch abby. you have said you can identify them. are they all huffmans or not??? even if there not all huffmans and some are normals 50/50 is still fine with me. i'm giving you a very easy choice by letting me have second pick and the yellow belly. Why won't you answer. Are you even going to give me two snakes???

yes if she layed them all out i would pick. with her getting first pick. that would not be an issue.
 
I think you would only be entitled to 2 from that clutch, since the yellow belly was not produced by either the male or the female.
 
For the record, I don't care about the Huffmans myself, but just because I wondered if almost everyone in the thread were ALL biased because of our supposed knowledge of Huffmans or not.. I asked 7 people who don't know a darn thing about morphs in snakes.

I presented it as unbiased as possible to the first two, then switched to trying to put them in Abby's shoes and attempting to bias them for giving only a single snake. I even suggested that the Huffmans would be worth a LOT, and that since his original deal would be for perhaps $200 and the animals he'd be getting now would be worth $2K+ that it would be fair to only give him one... and they all still insisted the original deal was valid because it wasn't renegociated.

All of them immediately replied that the original deal of 50/50 with Abby getting the 1st, 3rd and 5th picks, and Craig getting 2nd and 4th picks was the only fair deal.

Someone pointed out when I suggested the deal was null and void with the change of male that if that were true, would it still be fair if Abby said that "Well you didn't renegociate the deal, so you don't get anything at all." Since the original deal supposedly doesn't count at all? Well, no. I hope that no one thinks that would have been fair. Two pointed out that Abby chose which replacement male to use, not Craig.

It was interesting to me as I tried to phrase the deal in any way I could(and remain completely with only the base facts)to influence them in choosing to give a single snake OR Abby choosing her favorite three and giving Craig whichever two she didn't want.... and they still never budged.

Not that they, or I, or anyone in the thread can force any decision. But I'm happy in my own opinion and I know what I would feel were I in either Abby or Craig's shoes right now. I'm very secure in knowing that I wouldn't renege on the original deal just becuase the hatchlings changed in value.
 
twohy4you said:
so what are the animals in the clutch abby. you have said you can identify them. are they all huffmans or not??? even if there not all huffmans and some are normals 50/50 is still fine with me. i'm giving you a very easy choice by letting me have second pick and the yellow belly. Why won't you answer. Are you even going to give me two snakes???

yes if she layed them all out i would pick. with her getting first pick. that would not be an issue.
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Sent you a message on iHerp, but for the rest:

He's getting his 2 snakes (as I've said now many times). I get first pick, he gets 2nd.
 
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