• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
  • Responding to email notices you receive.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

Dennis Hultman dabbles in more than reptiles BAD GUY

I agree that was what my original request/question was on page 16. I was concerned about the fact that a transaction had not occurred and yet it was here. My attempt to suggest an "alternative" to removing this from the site got a life of its own. Sorry if I added to the confusion.

Regards
 
Dennis Hultman said:

While I appreciate everyone’s statements, I would still have treated this complaint as invalid even if it were I. There is a difference if someone was scamming someone and one started a thread about the person. From what I gather, from what was posted, that this person had a civil fine imposed on them. It would still have no place here.

Should a persons bankruptcy be posted? It’s a civil matter. To start a thread out of the blue that “John Doe” filled a bankruptcy. Would that be acceptable? My opinion would be no.

Matt didn’t post because he had a bad transaction with me. I didn’t have a bad transaction with someone else. It was started because he hasn’t liked my comments about how he has treated his recent customers and others.

The thread is going to stay. Since this has absolutely nothing to with a transaction, I would just rather like to see this one sink to the bottom. Unless, someone has or had a bad transaction with me then I would definity encourage you to post or contact me directly to resolve it.

There is a perfectly good feedback forum to discuss the reasons why a thread should be started, locked or moved.
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I agree Dennis; this thread is nothing more than wasted server space. :rolleyes:

Matt is such a great person (that is a joke.) Unless showing no class, as well as acting like a little disrespecting child that needs his bottom spanked is a sign of a great person. Yes Matt, you get the award for being one of the most childish jerks in our hobby. You have done your father proud, NOT!!!!

Sorry Matt, but a spade will be seen as a spade in my book. You can wear that card with honor, you earned it... :thumbsup:
 
varnyard said:
I agree Dennis; this thread is nothing more than wasted server space. :rolleyes:

Matt is such a great person (that is a joke.) Unless showing no class, as well as acting like a little disrespecting child that needs his bottom spanked is a sign of a great person. Yes Matt, you get the award for being one of the most childish jerks in our hobby. You have done your father proud, NOT!!!!

Sorry Matt, but a spade will be seen as a spade in my book. You can wear that card with honor, you earned it... :thumbsup:
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I have to apologize for the error I made. I was sent this link
http://www.azre.gov/PUBLIC_INFO/Bulletins/Bulletin_01.07.pdf

I shouldent have posted it.. Dennis I apologize I was wrong!!!
 
Chameleon Company said:
No one alleged this, so I'm not sure where your disagreement lies. While this is all just hypothetical, the point is that if Dennis H. had a claim against Matt G. due to events here, specifically damage done to Dennis by the thead title's existence, then Matt's defense could claim that Fauna took no action to mitigate the potential for damage, and is therefore culpable for damage as well. In the highly unlikely event that such a case would be brought, its a good defense for Matt to duck some of the damages.
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No Jim. Why won't you take my suggestion and actually check with an attorney instead of speculating like you are? It is not pertinent as to WHAT is edited, all that matters is that it IS edited. THAT is what puts a moderator, admin, or owner in legal jeopardy. Anyone who edits a post, no matter WHAT was edited in it, becomes a co-author to the WHOLE post.

And further, no your claim that Matt could claim damages because WE did not intervene does not hold legally soluble water. We are NOT legally obligated to delete, edit, NOT delete or NOT edit anything anyone else posts on this site. Nor responsible for those words. UNLESS we edit it. :D
 
varnyard said:
Yes Matt, I posted above only moments before you posted there.

I commend you on your apology to Dennis here, you are doing the right thing Matt!! :thumbsup:
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Bobby -

I respect your opinion but on this one we disagree.

I don't see anything commendable here.

In my opinion this is nothing more than a lame attempt at damage control.

Matt -

Too little. Too late.

And no - you don't need to remind me how great your business is doing.

But you may rest assured - you'll get none of mine in the future.
 
MGReptiles said:
I have to apologize for the error I made. I was sent this link
http://www.azre.gov/PUBLIC_INFO/Bulletins/Bulletin_01.07.pdf

I shouldent have posted it.. Dennis I apologize I was wrong!!!
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Matt, as a matter of principle, I would hope that even if you were correct, you would apologize.

Going down the member list posting this member had two parking tickets. This one had three speeding tickets. This one has heath problems and couldn’t pay their hospital bill. This one couldn’t pay his taxes. While maybe true, in my opinion, should never be posted because you dislike someone.

As you know, I am all for applying peer pressure to someone being dishonest in their business dealings in this community or outing scammers but this wasn’t the case for your thread here. I have never had a problem as a buyer or seller.

I have commented on your business as the forum allows and you don’t like or agree with my recent comments. I can understand that, but disagree.
Because you don’t agree with me, I’m not going to try and find out if you didn’t pay the phone bill ten years ago or if you were actually born Mary and changed it to Matt. That isn’t my concern.

I most certainly will not start a bad guy thread about you if you weren't scamming someone or I hadn't had a bad transaction with you.

That is about all I can state about this thread.

 
Dennis Hultman said:

Matt, as a matter of principle, I would hope that even if you were correct, you would apologize.

Going down the member list posting this member had two parking tickets. This one had three speeding tickets. This one has heath problems and couldn’t pay their hospital bill. This one couldn’t pay his taxes. While maybe true, in my opinion, should never be posted because you dislike someone.

As you know, I am all for applying peer pressure to someone being dishonest in their business dealings in this community or outing scammers but this wasn’t the case for your thread here. I have never had a problem as a buyer or seller.

I have commented on your business as the forum allows and you don’t like or agree with my recent comments. I can understand that, but disagree.
Because you don’t agree with me, I’m not going to try and find out if you didn’t pay the phone bill ten years ago or if you were actually born Mary and changed it to Matt. That isn’t my concern.

I most certainly will not start a bad guy thread about you if you weren't scamming someone or I hadn't had a bad transaction with you.

That is about all I can state about this thread.
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Agreed and it was Martha:)
 
Dennis,
What can I say, except you are a class act. I mean that in every good way. I wish I had the fortitude to be as nice as you are being about all this. If I were on the receiving end, I am sure my reaction would be totally different.
 
Rich,

We are NOT legally obligated to delete, edit, NOT delete or NOT edit anything anyone else posts on this site.
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I do not think any civil attorney would tell you that you were legally obligated. But you certainly could be found civily liable for content in your site. Not that it was posted, as you can't stop that. But if you were aware of the potential of a post to cause harm, let it stand, and it did in fact cause harm, you could certainly be named in a civil suit. Did or did not your mod's edit and delete information about other members as posted by Keith Northrup ? That there may not be statutes applicable makes it no less of a civil concern.

The point in the thread was intially raised not on a legal basis, but just that poster thought it was the right thing to do. Fauna claimed that it was not to be done for legal reasons. There are many holes in that defense.

Why won't you take my suggestion and actually check with an attorney instead of speculating like you are
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It was done before I posted. I can almost guarantee that I talk to attorneys more than you Rich. Want to compare ?

And further, no your claim that Matt could claim damages because WE did not intervene does not hold legally soluble water.
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This in NOT what I said. I said that the other defense attorney (Matt's), not the plaintiff's attorney, could claim that a portion of the damages sought by the only plaintiff (Dennis H. in this case) could be allayed to Fauna, and instead of his client being 100% responsible for the damages incurred by Dennis H., perhaps argue that his client only bore 60% of the responsibility. Matt would be in almost no position to sue Fauna, but an argument could be made that Fauna failed to police itself. All he would have to show is that you were aware of the potential, had options, and did nothing. AND, he's a turnip. Fauna is not.

All the above is all just for the hypothetical fun of it. But if this event had the potential to cost Dennis H. a million dollar deal ...............
 
Jim, do you realize

that you make EVERY thread at least three times as long as they would be, without your posts. Give it a rest, you are like that annoying parrot that will not ever shut up, even for a moment. Get off your high horse, your posts have gotten old, LONG ago. I think if you actually give it a rest, for a few months, ...who am I kidding, nevermind. If you actually look at some threads, you and Wes or you and the other Jim or you and someone argue for 10 pages, by yourselves, who cares, take your personal cr@p to email.
 
Rich,

I did just get off the phone with one of my attorneys. While we had a civil case that we are currently prosecuting to discuss, we did spend 10 minutes talking of this situation with the meter turned off.

First off, in several places of your own rules for posting here, such as this passage .....
There are certain rules I set up about posting that I will try to enforce, and those messages that flaunt those rules are certainly subject to being removed.
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.... you reserve the right to delete posts. I think you mention such 3-4 times.

Secondly, you absolutely could add an editor's note anywhere in this site, to any post, thread title, etc. You could add one to this thread title, saying "Possible mistaken identity" which would compel readers to look beyond the title. You have many options available which would reduce your exposure where it exists, while not increasing it in any other manner. Legally you can positively do it without incurring additional civil liabilities, and in fact would be mitigating them. The question then is whether or not you perceive an ethical obligation, or just don't want to do it.

I feel your pain David :rofl:
 
Chameleon Company said:
I do not think any civil attorney would tell you that you were legally obligated. But you certainly could be found civily liable for content in your site. Not that it was posted, as you can't stop that. But if you were aware of the potential of a post to cause harm, let it stand, and it did in fact cause harm, you could certainly be named in a civil suit.
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Sure I could be named in the suit, but it would be dismissed on a motion for summary judgement based on this federal law -> Communications Decency Act of 1996

I trust your attorney is familiar with it and all the subsequent case history surrounding it.


Chameleon Company said:
Did or did not your mod's edit and delete information about other members as posted by Keith Northrup ? That there may not be statutes applicable makes it no less of a civil concern.
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Yes, I did. I felt the inappropriate information posted could be extremely dangerous concerning identity theft issues and removed that information, with a rather pointed rebuke to the person posting it. I was willing to take whatever risks might be associated with that act.

Chameleon Company said:
The point in the thread was intially raised not on a legal basis, but just that poster thought it was the right thing to do. Fauna claimed that it was not to be done for legal reasons. There are many holes in that defense.
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Maybe so, but that decision stands.

Chameleon Company said:
It was done before I posted. I can almost guarantee that I talk to attorneys more than you Rich. Want to compare ?
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Just talking to attorneys about all your legal problems and my discussing pertinent details with an attorney who specializes in this sort of thing with POINTED specific questions about these issues will be a classic example of comparing apples and oranges, Jim. Just because someone gets lots of speeding tickets (as an example) doesn't necessarily mean they are well versed in all aspects of the legal system......

Chameleon Company said:
This in NOT what I said. I said that the other defense attorney (Matt's), not the plaintiff's attorney, could claim that a portion of the damages sought by the only plaintiff (Dennis H. in this case) could be allayed to Fauna, and instead of his client being 100% responsible for the damages incurred by Dennis H., perhaps argue that his client only bore 60% of the responsibility. Matt would be in almost no position to sue Fauna, but an argument could be made that Fauna failed to police itself. All he would have to show is that you were aware of the potential, had options, and did nothing. AND, he's a turnip. Fauna is not.

All the above is all just for the hypothetical fun of it. But if this event had the potential to cost Dennis H. a million dollar deal ...............
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No, Fauna is not LEGALLY required to police itself, and even in civil court that argument would be thrown out. I believe there is sufficient case history to support this position if you care to have your attorney research it. I specifically recall some issues involving AOL, if memory serves we well.

Law is a VERY specialize field, where no general purpose attorney can possibly know everything about all aspects of it. So they specialize. Quite frankly, unless YOUR attorney specializes in this field, I will strongly suspect that he just may not know what he is talking about. Especially "off the clock".

Jim, THAT is enough, please. This issue is at an end in this thread. I really hate to have to tell someone that they are wasting my time, but.....
 
Brevity would have been inspired if something akin to this response, rather than an excuse based in legal concerns, had been offered earlier.
Maybe so, but that decision stands.
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Neither you nor I are relying on speeding tickets, or attorney's that represent such clients, for our input. I do thank you for your time. I had no desire to waste it. Dennis T. I thank you as well. Its a better debate than just about everything else MG IMO.
 
Scott Ashton said:
Bobby -

I respect your opinion but on this one we disagree.

I don't see anything commendable here.

In my opinion this is nothing more than a lame attempt at damage control.

Matt -

Too little. Too late.

And no - you don't need to remind me how great your business is doing.

But you may rest assured - you'll get none of mine in the future.
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Scott, I respect your opinion too. All I am saying is to give him a chance to right his wrongs. If he does not have his heart in it, it will show. If he does, it will show as well.
 
WebSlave said:
Jim, when you get the time, check into the legal liabilities involved for someone editing a post or thread in situations where litigation between the parties may be possible. In a nutshell, if I edit a thread or post, I then become co-author to it in it's entirety. Thanks, but no thanks. I don't mind being responsible for my own words, but I certainly am not interested in being responsible for someone else's.

On Good Guy posts where there is a misspelling of the person's name, I will often edit it upon request. But even they can be risky if they take a nasty turn along the way. But Bad Guy threads right off the bat? Nope.

Simply put, it is up to the poster to make certain of what they post here. You are pretty much carving it in stone..........
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1.The BOI has a "full name" rule which gets threads locked or deleted.

2.The BOI has a "you must name the adverse party" rule which gets threads locked or deleted.

3. Why should the BOI not have a "transaction required" rule which can get threads locked or deleted?

And,Yes, I'm familiar with the CDA and related issues,but there seems no fear of that in 1 & 2 above....
 
WebSlave said:
Sure I could be named in the suit, but it would be dismissed on a motion for summary judgement based on this federal law -> Communications Decency Act of 1996

I trust your attorney is familiar with it and all the subsequent case history surrounding it.




Yes, I did. I felt the inappropriate information posted could be extremely dangerous concerning identity theft issues and removed that information, with a rather pointed rebuke to the person posting it. I was willing to take whatever risks might be associated with that act.



Maybe so, but that decision stands.



Just talking to attorneys about all your legal problems and my discussing pertinent details with an attorney who specializes in this sort of thing with POINTED specific questions about these issues will be a classic example of comparing apples and oranges, Jim. Just because someone gets lots of speeding tickets (as an example) doesn't necessarily mean they are well versed in all aspects of the legal system......



No, Fauna is not LEGALLY required to police itself, and even in civil court that argument would be thrown out. I believe there is sufficient case history to support this position if you care to have your attorney research it. I specifically recall some issues involving AOL, if memory serves we well.

Law is a VERY specialize field, where no general purpose attorney can possibly know everything about all aspects of it. So they specialize. Quite frankly, unless YOUR attorney specializes in this field, I will strongly suspect that he just may not know what he is talking about. Especially "off the clock".

Jim, THAT is enough, please. This issue is at an end in this thread. I really hate to have to tell someone that they are wasting my time, but.....
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Jim:

Rich is 100% right on the law here, unfortunately. I am way too familiar with the AOL case he is referring too, I helped write the Writ of Certiorari to try to get the Supreme Court to reverse it.They declined to hear it. :(

But I'm not sure if locking threads in accordance with forum rules makes Rich a "publisher". But I sure understand him not wanting to risk his immunity.....
 
I just dont understand why this thread doesnt get moved from the BOI like the one that Keith Northrop started about Jim O in the BOI a week or so ago. It had no relevance to the BOI or its purpose, just like this thread doesnt. Just move it to Sound Off like they did that thread.

Seems simple to me. And consistent.
 
Lloyd Heilbrunn said:
1.The BOI has a "full name" rule which gets threads locked or deleted.

2.The BOI has a "you must name the adverse party" rule which gets threads locked or deleted.

3. Why should the BOI not have a "transaction required" rule which can get threads locked or deleted?

And,Yes, I'm familiar with the CDA and related issues,but there seems no fear of that in 1 & 2 above....
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Rich addressed #3 earlier in the thread.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=491447&postcount=80
 
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