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Info Andy Garner aka AW2EOD

okay. Can you 100% for sure tell me that is a mite? No you cant. Nobody can. That video doesnt support anything Angel is saying. Im not saying bugs belong on him. Please learn basic reading comprehension. I said He showed 1 bug after stating there is 100's upon 100's on him. The snake is 9 feet long. 100 upon 100's would be visible. Not one small dot walking around.

Hmm, personal attack right off that bat? Nice :thumbsup::rolleyes: if you feel the need to attack my "reading comprehension" for your own short comings that's your problem.

That being said I didn't even mention mites, I said that the animal didn't deserve to have any bugs on them. The video supports that he found bugs on the animal, is it such a stretch that from the crappy packaging of the animal that the accused has poor husbandry therefore mites? I think not.
 
I love how people don't even heed a rebuttal, from the accused. Sony even to take into account that the OP is not telling the truth, in the least.

Just "I'll never do business with him" instead of paying attention to what's been posted.

No one will have to worry about doing doing business with me because this is the last time I trade/ship with anyone other than my usual channels. My snakes are from Jay, at PP, Matt Martin from Monster Cages, Greg Bryant from Retic Ranch and Phil Takenaga. I'll stick to people who are well establishes in the hobby/breeding and have no problems with my animals or doing business with me.
 
Hmm, personal attack right off that bat? Nice :thumbsup::rolleyes: if you feel the need to attack my "reading comprehension" for your own short comings that's your problem.

That being said I didn't even mention mites, I said that the animal didn't deserve to have any bugs on them. The video supports that he found bugs on the animal, is it such a stretch that from the crappy packaging of the animal that the accused has poor husbandry therefore mites? I think not.

You need some big boy pants if you feel that was an attack. Spare your sob story. You're making it sound like this snake was abused and neglected. Angel saw pics. Those pics are posted in this thread posted by Angel. The snake IMO is gorgeous. Now that 1 Bug that you have no idea what it is does not make this snake a Poor snake. Who knows where that bug came from. Its been said in another post that that person doesnt even think it is a mite because it moves to fast. Its a bug. Not a skin disease. If its a mite then yes I feel bad for the animal. If its not Im a 100% sure its in no real danger. Stop bringing such sob story to the thread. Its sad.
 
I am on my way home from work and will post all proof to prove the truthfulness of my claim. Andy, if you look at the time I posted those emails and the time you sent the last one you will see that I posted those long before you sent yours. I would NEVER withhold information. And to cryptkeeper, I'm sorry for the quality of the video and the photos, I only had my cameraphone at the time which only has a 1.3 megapixel camera. Plus it's hard to pluck a mite from under a snake's scale, hold the snake so that you can get the mite in veiw, all without getting bit and all by yourself.
 
Andy, I'm sorry about the post I made but the packaging was terrible and not to the standards and even if it was agreed upon it was wrong. With the shape the hobby is in right now why risk making it worse? As far as the mites go, we'll wait for clearer pictures and see what comes of it. Right now I'm going to take back what I said in my first post as it seems the OP didn't include everything but now awaiting the proof and see what comes of it!

Good Luck
 
I am on my way home from work and will post all proof to prove the truthfulness of my claim. Andy, if you look at the time I posted those emails and the time you sent the last one you will see that I posted those long before you sent yours. I would NEVER withhold information. And to cryptkeeper, I'm sorry for the quality of the video and the photos, I only had my cameraphone at the time which only has a 1.3 megapixel camera. Plus it's hard to pluck a mite from under a snake's scale, hold the snake so that you can get the mite in veiw, all without getting bit and all by yourself.

Interesting, again, that you claim numerous times (in email and in text) that your phone is busted...yet you them claim that the pics came from your phone.

Being bitten, while holding the snake? That snake had been held by 5 year old children...never hissed, struck or even attempted to bite anyone. That was stated, to you in my very first email.

Andy, I'm sorry about the post I made but the packaging was terrible and not to the standards and even if it was agreed upon it was wrong. With the shape the hobby is in right now why risk making it worse? As far as the mites go, we'll wait for clearer pictures and see what comes of it. Right now I'm going to take back what I said in my first post as it seems the OP didn't include everything but now awaiting the proof and see what comes of it!

Good Luck

No worries. I've never once had ANY problems like this. I'm 150% for out hobby. Ibe donated to USARK, written my congressmen and reptsentaticed, etc. If you knew what I'd been through, during the past 6 months, fighting for my right to keep these animals, you'd see me in a completely different light.

I'm not gonna stand by and have my name drug through the mud, in the BOI over something so rediculous. I shipped the same way Angel did, with the same carrier yet my packing job was bad and his was good. I quarantine all new snakes I get and traat them with anti-parasite meds as soon as I get them, even if they don't show any signs of parasites. As I've already said, that snake didn't have a single bent scale, let alone a single mite.

If Angel isn't happy with the snake, I want him back. As already stated, he was one of my favorite Retics and I really didn't want to trade him, but I did. I'd rather have him back instead of having to go about this childish garbage.
 
Yes Andy my screen is broke which make it hard for me to see what's on it. It's not hard for me push the camera button on the side of my phone, take a picture, then connect it to my computer and get the photos off. And didn't you tell me yesterday that he was striking at your wife ??
 
I thought I'd chime after dealing with Andy many times...In all our transactions communication was great and there never any issues and I'd do business with him again...

In regards to head and nose rub...That can happen when shipping larger tics, in the tight quarters of a box, newspaper and stryro padding...I recently received a Purple that looked like he rubbed his nose on assfault...He was an active tic and wanted to get out...The packaging was fine, but he still got severe nose rub...It wasn't the fault of the breeder/shipper, it was the nature of the snake and shipping larger animals...After a couple of sheds he was fine...

Keep focused on the issue, the proof and hopefully the resolution...Worse comes to worse, send them both back each other and be done with it...
 
You need some big boy pants if you feel that was an attack. Spare your sob story. You're making it sound like this snake was abused and neglected. Angel saw pics. Those pics are posted in this thread posted by Angel. The snake IMO is gorgeous. Now that 1 Bug that you have no idea what it is does not make this snake a Poor snake. Who knows where that bug came from. Its been said in another post that that person doesnt even think it is a mite because it moves to fast. Its a bug. Not a skin disease. If its a mite then yes I feel bad for the animal. If its not Im a 100% sure its in no real danger. Stop bringing such sob story to the thread. Its sad.


I probably would have read this post and moved on; however, if you're going base your statements on one of my "quotes", I would ask that you please use the "actual quote".

I did NOT say that I DO NOT THINK it's even a mite! What I actually said was, "That being said, that "bug" appears to be moving around too fast to be a mite, BUT the filming is indeed horrible and I know I cannot determine that it is, or is not, a mite."

I'm not trying to start any beef with CyrptKeeper over the presence of bugs. I don't know IF the "bugs" were on the snake before being shipped or not. I DO know from the blurry pics, and the shipper's own admission, that the snake was not shipped "properly". Could the bug(s) have gotten on the snake in transit? Sure. After opening the box? Possibly. Were they there in the shipper's care?? I have no idea.

My only question to CryptKeeper is, why so defensive against Tyler (Utta)?? Your words were offensive (before telling him that he needed "big boy pants") and I don't see why you would feel the need to start a fight with another member...especially by suggesting that seeing a single bug crawling on the animal is not such a big deal.
 
I apologize for my wording. I actually realized what i had typed after But did not think I tisted them. For that again. Im sorry. Cool?

As far as Utta. The guy is making it sound like the snake is gonna die from one bug. Aww Poor snake he says. Dude has no idea what typ eof bug. Hell ever let your snakes roam outside? Guess what. Bugs get on them. Is it a big deal then? No. Its nature at its finest. Two animals living in complete harmony. UTTA has 100% no idea what type of bug it is. He is making it into something its not by saying Poor animal. Poor animal what? He doesnt know its a Mite. It could be a Knat.
 
I'm not trying to start any beef with CyrptKeeper over the presence of bugs. I don't know IF the "bugs" were on the snake before being shipped or not. I DO know from the blurry pics, and the shipper's own admission, that the snake was not shipped "properly". Could the bug(s) have gotten on the snake in transit? Sure. After opening the box? Possibly. Were they there in the shipper's care?? I have no idea.

The shippers own admission? I fully explained how the snake was packaged and shipped. What I don't appreciate is the OP posting a very few select pictures, not showing the packaging material and how the animal was truly shipped.

I'll be contacting Angel, through email, to have the animals returned to each of us.

I've never had a problem, with the BOI, never felt sorry for the guys who clearly did wrong and got bashed by everyone. What dies irritate me is that before I even posted, it was "what a horrible person"..."what a horrible shipping job"..."that poor snake couldve died!!" etc, when no one had the slightest idea of what was going on.

People need to start paying attention to both sides, before formulating conclusions.
 
The shippers own admission? I fully explained how the snake was packaged and shipped. What I don't appreciate is the OP posting a very few select pictures, not showing the packaging material and how the animal was truly shipped.

I'll be contacting Angel, through email, to have the animals returned to each of us.

I've never had a problem, with the BOI, never felt sorry for the guys who clearly did wrong and got bashed by everyone. What dies irritate me is that before I even posted, it was "what a horrible person"..."what a horrible shipping job"..."that poor snake couldve died!!" etc, when no one had the slightest idea of what was going on.

People need to start paying attention to both sides, before formulating conclusions.


I've said from my first post that I was making no judgment toward either party, but the shipping/packing job itself WAS not up to legal standards, and yes, by your own admittance. One reason for a complete styrofoam box being used is to add strength to the outer, cardboard box. It also keeps the temps from going up and down dramatically (something the snake does not need to experience). The temps are even better regulated by including the proper cold-pack (in our extreme summer highs). A cold pack would do NO good whatsoever without a lid, or even sides that are not actually attached to one another.

If the two of you are going to return the animals and be done, that's totally up to you. I would only ask that you ship correctly MOSTLY for the animal's safety/well-being, but also to protect this hobby.
 
For reference, this is the email I just sent Angel.

"I would like the Alb Tiger returned at your earliest convenience.

Neither one of us have done anything wrong, yet instead of contacting me, you immediately post that rubbish, on the BOI, portraying me as a bad person. I shipped the same way you did, except without a styrafoam lid. Why did you feel it necessary to lie and not let people know the true packing and that the snake was in the same bag you sent the Lav Tiger in?

I want my snake back and will be returning your Lav Tiger when we agree on a ship date.

Email is going to be our only contact, so there will not be any "he said this on the phone/text message" bullshit.

Let me know when you're able to ship.

Andy


Sent from my iPhone"
 
And this is my responce here, as I am uploading the pix and video as I type this to photobucket. If I recall you said that my shipping was " very professional". You may have used the same shipping carrier as me, but your packing job sucks to high hell and is NO WHERE near the professional job that I did. So don't even put yourself that high up. Secondly, if this snake is this infested with mites, why the heck would I want you to send me mine back after being exposed to your environment and collection. And Andy, you DID NOT fully explain how you were packing the snake. All you told me was that you used the same pillowcase and the same styrofoam liner box that I used. And yes I was ok with that, I saw no problem with it, as that was the same styrofoam liner box that Greg Bryant used when he shipped my brother his snakes (for the record, the styrofoam box was in perfect condition when Greg shipped it to my brother, good f'n job Greg)
 
There ya go

Here's the proof, from the shipping to the aggressivness of this "puppy dog tame" snake to the mites. And cryptkeeper, I've been around snakes longer than you, so please remember, it's a snake mite not a horse. And Andy, I wouldn't let my 15 year old son hold this snake, let alone a 7 year old girl.


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The videos of the snake mite and of just how "friendly" this snake is are still uploading and will be posted up
 
Here's the proof, from the shipping to the aggressivness of this "puppy dog tame" snake to the mites. And cryptkeeper, I've been around snakes longer than you, so please remember, it's a snake mite not a horse. And Andy, I wouldn't let my 15 year old son hold this snake, let alone a 7 year old girl.

to think all those Pm's you sent me and you have a son wow. You dont truly know if you have been around snake slonger than me so lets nopt get into a pissing match about non sense. Your video was horrible and others have questioned it being a mite or not. Dont come after me because of your personal issues with me. The box being damaged could have happene din transit and Im sure it did. UPS breaks stuff all the time. As far as the packaging goes that was the same box you shipped your animal in to Andy. Unless you have pics of the day you sent your snake you cant say that box was in worse or better shape than when sent back. IME shipping snakes if that snake had that much paper and in a silk snake bag it couldnt have done that much damage to its self.
 
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