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Hets and poss hets

When something is labeled as a het or double het

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So does anyone refer to their dragons that are possible hets (66% 50% etc) as hets, instead of POSSIBLE hets? Couple of us had commented on an ad where the dragons were listed as double hets, but yet having two parents that were hets, the babies would only be 66% possible hets. The ad was deleted. Does anyone agree or disagree?

Would you be under the assumption if you bought a double het or a het, that it would be 100% het?

Or would you expect it to be labeled as 100% if it was actually in fact 100%, and if not labeled as such, assume it was a possible het when referred to as a het?

I, myself have always thought when someone referred to something as a het, it was in fact 100% Het. Anything less would be labeled as possible or probable.

What do you think?
 
I don't label anything less than 66% when sellling, and I don't purchase "possibles" at all anymore.

:) I have enough projects.

***confusing post...When I am interested in an ad, I ask what percentage when the percentage is not listed; normally I assume if the percentage is not listed it's less than 100%.
 
chris allen said:
Ok, thanks for the input...but the question being....

If you see something labeled as a het, or double het Do you assume that to be 100% het? Or would you assume it was a possible het?
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I edited my post to include the answer to that question.
Normally, I assume if the percentage is not listed it's less than 100%.
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Here is a good example...the ball pythons are easy to use because there are so many ads.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190380
You would think they are less than 100% hets?
Looking through the ads quickly there are a handful that are listed as hets in the title. Then a couple of those they clarify in the body of the thread that they are 100% hets, the others do not. I would assume they are all 100% hets, because they are being called a HET.
Now, any of the ads I found that were possible hets, were labeled as possible hets or 66% het in the title itself or when being referred to as het.
 
I'm also using the bp's because I didn't want to point out the ads I was referring to in the BD section, so the use of the bp ads was better I thought.
 
I feel like sometimes people label an animal a "50% possible double het..." or something like that just to try and make a sale. But that is a different topic i guess....

If you are selling an animal that is het for hypo or trans then I would expect it to be 100%. I wouldn't really purchase an animal that is "possible" het, because thats like saying "buy this animal, if it doesn't produce for you, then its not my fault".

But if your animal is "66% probable double het" then label it as such, do not label it as a "double het" or "het hypo/het trans" if it is in fact not 100%.

thats my view :shrug01:

p.s. I know which ad brought this thread on :)
 
Het should mean 100% het, there shouldn't be any middle or in between. Het means Heterozygous not "possibly" heterozygous. It seems to me that people are lazy or that they just have no clue about genetics. Funny thing that Heterozygous and Homozygous is pretty much one of the few things that are cut and dry in genetics.
Oh and I try not to make it a habit to assume, because as the saying goes.....
 
Hello
You may think this is a silly question, but I'm new to this. What is a het or a hypo, and everything else for the colors?
Bye Petwisp
 
Hypo is a reduction in black pigment. In beardeds dragons that have reduced amounts of black, clear nails and often pastel type colors are referred to as hypos or hypopastels. There is a good explanation of genetics on Nerd's site. There is quite a bit to explain, it's best to just read about it.
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/genetics_intro.html
 
i think advertising it as het or double het hypo lets say, leads one to believe its 100%. if its not 100% i would personally advertise it as poss het or list a percentage. seeing it without poss, possible, 66% or 50% in the advertisement is missleading, especially when the animal is priced as a 100% het. but in reality it isn't.
I've been in sales for a long time in the remodeling industry, so i know what "smoke and mirrors" is. I don't sell like that because i value repeat business and a strong reliable name. i try to call b.s. on smoke and mirrors without pointing and spitting (its hard sometimes lol) but it really irks me.
I will also say ,especially to petwisp, never, Ever buy an animal under any assumption as to its genetics. ask what the genetics are, ask what the lineages' genetics are, then run it by a breeder you trust before buying, and if the person you are buying from try's to hard sale you or doesn't "know" what the animals lineages are and still trys to talk about its genetics, walk away. No, Run away. There will always be another dragon out there with breeders who will stand behind the genetics. Lets face it, the breeder supporting the animal is usually just as important as the animal itself when it comes to proving out genetics. find the honest ones that produce killer stuff and you'll be way happier, and probably more successful in the long run... and that's my time on the soap box.:mah:
Thanks for bringing this one up Chris, it's been bugging me too lol.;)
 
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I don't agree. If they are 100 % het people would say 100 % het for hypo or trans. There is no way to know the degree of hypo or Trans in an animal without proving that animal out. I feel this will even vary between the animals in the same clutch..

I have dragons for sale that are double het. for Hypo and Trans. But just label them het for hypo and poss. Trans because of the confusion people are having. No where on my ad.s does it say 100% het for hypo and trans. So why would you just assume they are is beyond me..All het means is they have the genes to throw it depending on what you are breeding it to of course for the out come. Both parents have to have the Hypo or Trans genes to produce hypo or trans. Some people don't even understand that yet.

I even list the genetics on my ad.s and still people don't get it..The father is a proven double het as he has produced Trans and hypo trans leather babies with another double het.

So I bred this same male to a female that has proven to be het Hypo. I have Hypo leather backs and leather backs from this pairing. Even though the mother is not het for trans the babies will still be het for trans because of the father. I was told like around 33 % Trans and 66 % hypo from this pairing.

So with that said. You would want to take one of these babies and breed it to a visual if you wanted to produce a higher yield in the clutches..Remember you need het.s to produce strong Trans babies as they are so weak from the line breeding still..


Tamara
 
If it says het it better dang well be 100% or I truly believe its being labeled wrong. If its only 50 or 66% het I would hope they label it as possible het. I mainly breed ball pythons and geckos, and honestly this is how I label all my hets and possible hets. I could not see it as being honest if I labeled a 66% as a full blown Het. Thats my 2 cents on this debate.
 
With these new dragon lines there needs to be a rule on how to list these But there isn't. I just put the genetics of the parents and let people figure out the degree themselves..No confusion that way so I thought..I do just have poss. het for Trans on my ad.s though..

All het. means is that they carry the gene. To what degree depends on the parents.. and what your breeding them to.
 
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