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Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

I just checked the tracking and it looks like it should be delivered tomorrow seeing as I would only guess there wasn't anyone there yesterday.


Your item arrived at 8:29 am on October 02, 2010 in LANSING, MI 48924. The Postal Service expects to deliver the item on Saturday, October 2, 2010. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
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This past weekend, two shows, two different states, spreading the word, me and my flyers.


Also, I received five A. Urticans (Peruvian Pink toes) from Juan Urbieta (Michigan Exotic's) to be sold with the proceeds to go to Maggie and the kids. Thanks Juan. :thumbsup:


Steve are you going to contact the Attorney General's Office this week or next?
 
NOV 20th there is a show in Reading PA. Will there be anyone there with flyers? If not I will pass them around.
 
dragonlvr64 said:
NOV 20th there is a show in Reading PA. Will there be anyone there with flyers? If not I will pass them around.
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Bring them just to be sure they are there. I don't know of anyone who is going to be there.

SERPENTS DEN said:
Dave, I'll be calling sometime after the weekend, I just want to give them a little time to look things over.
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Cool deal. :thumbsup:
 
DAND said:

Also, I received five A. Urticans (Peruvian Pink toes) from Juan Urbieta (Michigan Exotic's) to be sold with the proceeds to go to Maggie and the kids. Thanks Juan. :thumbsup:
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That's so heartwarming that even after all of this crap with the Wises, people are still helping and donating things for Maggie and her family. <3
 
DAND said:
This past weekend, two shows, two different states, spreading the word, me and my flyers.


Also, I received five A. Urticans (Peruvian Pink toes) from Juan Urbieta (Michigan Exotic's) to be sold with the proceeds to go to Maggie and the kids. Thanks Juan. :thumbsup:


Steve are you going to contact the Attorney General's Office this week or next?
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that great hey Dand going to be at the hamburg show ? If so I am pm you my cell call me I will bring you 3 possible het pieds to do the same with. Just call me before 11 pm tonight..
 
mechnut450 said:
that great hey Dand going to be at the hamburg show ? If so I am pm you my cell call me I will bring you 3 possible het pieds to do the same with. Just call me before 11 pm tonight..
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Unfortunately no, I will not be attending the show but I know a number of people who will be there and if you are willing I could have someone pick them up and get them to me. I'll give you a call and we can go from there. I do appreciate your offer as I'm sure Maggie does too. :thumbsup:
 
mechnut450 said:
that great hey Dand going to be at the hamburg show ? If so I am pm you my cell call me I will bring you 3 possible het pieds to do the same with. Just call me before 11 pm tonight..
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As mentioned above, I did receive the ball pythons from Terry. Thanks for the donation Terry. :thumbsup: If you could forward me the documentation so I could print it up I would appreciate it.



Steve,

Did you get a hold of Mr. Cox or anyone else for that matter? :shrug01:
 
DAND said:
As mentioned above, I did receive the ball pythons from Terry. Thanks for the donation Terry. :thumbsup: If you could forward me the documentation so I could print it up I would appreciate it.
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Dand will glady is the email to the left the one to send?
What I did was took pic of the 100% het papers and put in red overlay was that was the 3 were the offspring form these parent. It the clutch that produce the pied I traded to Heather Wong a few weeks ago.
 
I received another donation this past weekend from Jim Gaukin (lpcad) a young female western hognonse. Thanks Jim. :thumbsup:

mechnut450 said:
Dand will glady is the email to the left the one to send?
What I did was took pic of the 100% het papers and put in red overlay was that was the 3 were the offspring form these parent. It the clutch that produce the pied I traded to Heather Wong a few weeks ago.
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No, that e-mail is Maggie's pay-pal e-mail address. Send it to my e-mail address, [email protected]. Again, thanks for your donation Terry.
 
I just received this:


Steve,


Is this the same thing that you received?
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STATE OF MICHIGAN
DEPARTMENT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL

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P.O. BOX 30213
LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909
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MIKE COX
ATTORNEY GENERAL

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November 04, 2010

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Refer to AG No.: 2010-0028349-A ​
Mr. David C. Gruning
[email protected]



Dear Mr. Gruning:



RE: Jeff &Christina Wise



Thank you for your recent Internet fraud complaint. Since these complaints involve criminals working on a national and often international basis, we ask citizens to also provide information to the federal government's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) – a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the National White Collar Crime Center, and the Bureau of Justice Assistance. Although the information you have may suggest the criminal is situated or has a connection in a specific location (for instance provides a name and address or a website address) our experience teaches us this information is fake or is the unauthorized use of the name or address of a real but innocent person or business.


Unless IC3 determines your complaint has a specific Michigan connection, further investigation on our part is not a prudent use of State resources. We do, however, review every complaint and consider whether we need to update our public education material to help proactively reach consumers and prevent future victimization.


IC3's mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive such complaints and to further research, develop, and when appropriate to refer criminal or civil complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. If IC3 determines the activity involves criminals or a business acting in Michigan, our office is notified.


So please consider helping to stop this activity by completing the complaint form at www.ic3.gov. You will be asked to provide the following information:

Your name


Your mailing address


Your telephone number


The name, address, telephone number, and web address, if available, of the individual or organization you believe defrauded or attempted to defraud you.


Specific details on how, why, and when you believe you were defrauded.

Any other relevant information you believe is necessary to support your complaint.


Once your complaint is processed by the IC3, you will be sent an email containing your complaint id and password to use for future contact with the IC3.


Again, thank you for taking time to report this activity.




Sincerely yours,




Michigan Department of Attorney General
Consumer Protection Division
1-877-765-8388
(517) 241-3771 – Fax





Well I guess I'll give getting a hold of a human a shot too. :thumbsup:
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StormyWilde said:
Uhh...didn't you guys already go through all the IC3 hoops and even include that with all of the stuff you sent? :bandhead0
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Over and over again. I thought I made it idiot proof so my only guess is they haven't bothered to look at what I have sent to them on more than one occasion. I'm getting rather pissed about their lack of action. :angry:
 
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