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Bad Guy Tim Koppenhofer Special K Reptiles

Danielsherp said:
No no no...... We had talked on friday and saturday as he was my best buddy.... When he denied he owed me money then snatched his pants up,raised his voice and started throwing his hands in the air.... Then I got the attitude......


Well since you think it's Ok to sell missexed animals why should we even put the sex's on the price? Here is a het pied for one price , you buy it I'll ship it to you . you sex it when it when you get it, b/c sex shouldn't matter and then don't call me when it's not the sex you want. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Your telling me if I paid $70,000 for a banana male and I find out it's a female 3 months later and I can buy females for 15k that its ok because I should have sexed the animal are you serious? I just lost $55,000 because I should have sexed the animal...... COME ON!
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not 1 time have i ever said its ok to sell a mis-sexed snake , i said people make mistakes .
of all the snakes (correctly sexed ) i have seen him sell if it was in fact mis-sexed it was not intentional . every snake i have ever seen him pull off his table he has always poped it on the spot for the customer buying it

and if your buying a 70k animal you better be smart enough to double check it on the spot or have it checked .


just out of curiosity how did you come to the conclusion that it was male ?
i ask this cause
its already been seen by alot of other breeders (not only myself ) i have talked to at shows .

that males when ready will attempt to breed other males and
also the same with females . when they are in the moment i have at shows seen 2 females with tails curled like they were breeding, and they do this cause of the rubbing satisfies them i have been told ..


did you see hemipenes ? did you have it probed ? or was it poped ?
 
Just funny that i found this on a search .

Murphy's Laws of Snake Breeding
put up by Serpenco.com

heres the link

http://www.serpenco.com/text/murphy.html

just say this and had to post it wether it be babies or adults it still shows what i was saying .

1.All of the snakes you obtain will not be properly sexed.
Everyone makes mistakes. Sexing baby snakes is not the easiest thing in the world to do. Anyone who has told you that they have never made a mistake sexing a snake does not stay in contact with past customers.

When you get your snakes, check the sexes immediately. It's a little embarrassing for both of you to have to call your supplier back two years later to tell them about the error. Plus you have just lost two years needlessly from your breeding plans with those snakes.
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Why didn't you get something in writing from him for the credit? After all this time it boils down to his word against yours and you have nothing to support this. I do agree that mistakes happen and you should verify in a reasonable amount of time. I'm not questioning your integrity here, but there are people out there I'm sure who would try and pull a switch later. If you dont do alot of business or have a stellar reputation in the business, how is the breeder to know if it is legit down the road? Just my thoughts on this.
 
TheVipersHouse said:
not 1 time have i ever said its ok to sell a mis-sexed snake , i said people make mistakes .
of all the snakes (correctly sexed ) i have seen him sell if it was in fact mis-sexed it was not intentional . every snake i have ever seen him pull off his table he has always poped it on the spot for the customer buying it

and if your buying a 70k animal you better be smart enough to double check it on the spot or have it checked .


just out of curiosity how did you come to the conclusion that it was male ?
i ask this cause
its already been seen by alot of other breeders (not only myself ) i have talked to at shows .

that males when ready will attempt to breed other males and
also the same with females . when they are in the moment i have at shows seen 2 females with tails curled like they were breeding, and they do this cause of the rubbing satisfies them i have been told ..


did you see hemipenes ? did you have it probed ? or was it poped ?
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When I went to breed the "female" I put a proven male in and they went to thrashing and combating. I pulled the "female" out then probed her/him found out it was a him. Then when I took the snake to Tim he poped the animal at the show with a reply " yep that's a boy".
 
SO now we are all saying now you can purchase a animal and be the bad guy. Right?

A 10 year old kid goes to this guy buys a het ghost female he saved all his money cutting grass for this summer cause he wants to breed balls and produce something cool and it's the little kids fault that "THE SELLER" missexed the animal.
 
I have nothing else to say...... I said what I had to say

I discused this issue at Tinley with some of the biggest breeders in the U.S
There was no question from them "it's his fault/he needs to make it right"

When I purchased my animals this weekend from Tim Bailey,Marc Bailey, Brian and Lori, Mark and Kim Bell and Sean Bradley THEY ALL %100 Garauntee SEX.


I am done with him and this transaction.
 
Daniel, I'm definitely on your side and it seems as a lot of people in this thread are trying to say it's ok to sell a Misrepresented animal, which is definitely not the case.

I have bought from Tim before, he seems to have everything down as far as a business. But also in that time he has made some mistakes because of the volume he deals with, so it really seems odd to me he wouldn't make things right.

I think it's funny that this guy deals in Ball Pythons that are a couple thousand dollars, yet he wont give you a measly $275 back for a snake that was mis-sexed in the first place. This is all HIS fault and HE needed to make it right, but HE decided not to, what else can you do???
 
I don’t think anyone has said it’s ok to sell a misrepresented snake, only that it happens … It’s one thing to bring the snake back that day (of the show) or email, call etc within a week or two , but 3 months later …. How would he even know if it’s in fact the same animal? That looks like any other ball python in the world, could anyone really tell?

I can’t imagine anyone would take a snake back that has been in an unknown persons collection for months and re introduce it back into their collection, not that I’m knocking the OP about husbandry … but how would you know what that animal was exposed to…. By accident.

Credit …. Would be the way to handle this in my opinion, within a reasonable time frame.

And there should be some kind of receipt stating that there’s a credit owed regardless of who you buy it from , instead of “ well he told me” which could be easily misinterpreted in each other’s minds.
 
cursedj said:
I don’t think anyone has said it’s ok to sell a misrepresented snake, only that it happens … It’s one thing to bring the snake back that day (of the show) or email, call etc within a week or two , but 3 months later …. How would he even know if it’s in fact the same animal? That looks like any other ball python in the world, could anyone really tell?

I can’t imagine anyone would take a snake back that has been in an unknown persons collection for months and re introduce it back into their collection, not that I’m knocking the OP about husbandry … but how would you know what that animal was exposed to…. By accident.

Credit …. Would be the way to handle this in my opinion, within a reasonable time frame.

And there should be some kind of receipt stating that there’s a credit owed regardless of who you buy it from , instead of “ well he told me” which could be easily misinterpreted in each other’s minds.
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I agree with this. Do you have any pictures of the snake? Any receipt for it? Anything to show that you bought a missexed smake from Tim?
 
Steveboos said:
Daniel, I'm definitely on your side and it seems as a lot of people in this thread are trying to say it's ok to sell a Misrepresented animal, which is definitely not the case.

I have bought from Tim before, he seems to have everything down as far as a business. But also in that time he has made some mistakes because of the volume he deals with, so it really seems odd to me he wouldn't make things right.

I think it's funny that this guy deals in Ball Pythons that are a couple thousand dollars, yet he wont give you a measly $275 back for a snake that was mis-sexed in the first place. This is all HIS fault and HE needed to make it right, but HE decided not to, what else can you do???
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I agree with you 110%. I purchased a pastel 100% het ghost female in Raliegh NC from him in 2007. She died about 3 months after I recieved her. I never called Tim I never bothered him or anything. I liked the guy at one point.

I even went back and bought from him again after the pastel het ghost female and purchased 5 adult normal females at the time I purchased the het yellow ghost "female". I was looking for females ready to breed. I had those animals for 7 months and only one at for me once. I never called tim and complained I never did any of that. The animals were "off food". Not his fault. I sold them eventually and the guy who has them now says there all doing great and pounding food.

It's not like I'm out to get the guy and your right were talking aabout $275? I mean seriously my reputation would be worth thousands of dollars and he can't make a $275 deal right. I don't understand it.
 
cursedj said:
How would he even know if it’s in fact the same animal? That looks like any other ball python in the world, could anyone really tell?
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How do I know the animal was even a het? So you want me to prove it's the same animal but he can sell it and not prove it's a het? I bought it with no paperwork or breeding pictures. I took his word. So wouldn't you expect him to do the same?
 
Kristi23 said:
I agree with this. Do you have any pictures of the snake? Any receipt for it? Anything to show that you bought a missexed smake from Tim?
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Are you kidding? When you bought your snake at Tinley did you get a reciept from Tim? I have bought countless animals in excess of 5k in person at shows not once has ANYONE handed me a reciept. I can't think of ever seeing anyone in this industry hand out a reciept.

Just this past weekend like I said I bought animals from Brian,mark and kim,marc bailey,tim bailey and sean bradley.... DId I get reciepts? Not the first one.
 
Danielsherp said:
Are you kidding? When you bought your snake at Tinley did you get a reciept from Tim? I have bought countless animals in excess of 5k in person at shows not once has ANYONE handed me a reciept. I can't think of ever seeing anyone in this industry hand out a reciept.

Just this past weekend like I said I bought animals from Brian,mark and kim,marc bailey,tim bailey and sean bradley.... DId I get reciepts? Not the first one.
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At the Tucson show you can't even leave the expo with a purchase unless you have a receipt on you.
 
Alex G said:
At the Tucson show you can't even leave the expo with a purchase unless you have a receipt on you.
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Lots of people give out receipts. I got one at Tinley from Pro Exotics. My daughter bought her snake, so I don't know what she got with it. At the Wheaton show, you have to show proof of purchase before leaving. I give receipts for any business I do in cash.

I don't think that it was silly of me to ask. Right now we just have your word on what happened.
 
First, since you like to twist words around, no one here stated that it was ok to sell the wrong sex. It was stated that these things can and do happen and you should have verified sex in a reasonable time frame. Regardless of who it was there is nothing wrong with having him pop it for you or someone else if you were unable. Here is what I get from your threads:

1. You purchased a het ghost female with no paperwork.
2. Months later you find it was a male.
3. You supposedly worked a credit arrangement with nothing in writing.
4. You have no proof of anything to back your claim.
5. You now claim to have bought a snake that died and never corresponded.
6. You wont or refuse to take any accountability.

It's your word versus his at this point, he has not even come here to address this which leads me to think you might be stating what really occured. Based on their response to the last bad guy thread, I would not do business with them. You just can't expect people to support you with no proof of your accusation.
 
Danielsherp said:
How do I know the animal was even a het? So you want me to prove it's the same animal but he can sell it and not prove it's a het? I bought it with no paperwork or breeding pictures. I took his word. So wouldn't you expect him to do the same?
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Not what i said or meant , what i said was how would he or any "vendor" know if it was in fact the same animal if it was a normal , I'm not implying anything against you but offering a possible reason why the snake would not be taken back by any one after that long of a period of time ...
 
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