Can't seem to reply in my own threads...

[DAND]

True, but that's what we have mods for also, to be our so called "site police", to protect the integrity of this site. But instead of doing that, they are running around giving infractions and bans to whoever disagrees with them

Horse crap! I have disagreed with a number of mods and even Rich and I am still here. I have been banned but that was due to breaking the rules set forth that apply to EVERYONE, paying members or not. I broke the rules and paid the price for doing so. So cut your crap.

 

[Angel Rojas]

RICH..... Why not allow paid members to do manual bumps... and registered members cant? Leave the lowest level $25 and this gives folks a reason to donate. You can still post your ad for free, but you wont be able to bump it

So you want to force people to do pay...

 

[shelliebear]

So you want to force people to do pay...

No, that is not what anyone is trying to do.

 

[DAND]

So you want to force people to do pay...

Can you say combative? Someone is obviously in self-destruct mode.

 

[Shadera]

I'd like to see sales of the same species consolidated into single ads, myself. There's no reason 20 ball pythons for sale should equal 20 separate ads. That would cut down on some of the jostling I'm sure.

I don't mind the ten per month at all. That's one bump per three days, and I would hope customers would have an attention span longer than one page if they're seriously looking to buy.

 

[Angel Rojas]

I'm not trying to be combative, I was mearly commenting on what other had stated. If you look at those post you will see where I quoted what that person said

 

[Southern Wolf]

So you want to force people to do pay...

No... I would actually rather Rich leave this alone... because in the end we will all loose.

Yes.... Im a paying member but with his current constraints... I am limited to 10 bumps a month. Like I said... if your in a high traffic area (BP's) ... then you will get burried on the 15 page within 2 days. Most folks are NOT gonna spend time digging that deep.

Right now Rich has it so only paid members can even reply in the classifieds section. (I know... temp fix)

I also know in the past that Rich has requeted donations to help this site pay for its upkeep. One of the perks of paid membership was being able to bump your ads..... but if non payers can do it manually... then how is that a perk.

I know Rich is looking to change the numbers around (from 10 to ??).... but why not make it more of a draw by allowing paid members to manually bump their ads

 

[DAND]

I'm not trying to be combative, I was mearly commenting on what other had stated. If you look at those post you will see where I quoted what that person said

Your choice of twisting his words certainly seemed so.

 

[Angel Rojas]

Horse crap! I have disagreed with a number of mods and even Rich and I am still here. I have been banned but that was due to breaking the rules set forth that apply to EVERYONE, paying members or not. I broke the rules and paid the price for doing so. So cut your crap.

That may be true, but I'm NOT the only one who thinks this. I too have been banned for breaking the rules, but when a mod starts giving infractions and bans for "boaderline" stuff, that's when I get confused. I mean, you either broke the rules or you didn't, there's no inbetween.

 

[Clay Davenport]

I hate when people make this stupid comment. Who are you to tell anyone that they shouldn't own a reptile just because some may not be able to squeeze money from a stone. Some people here may live on a buget, and what little animals they may have fits nicely in that buget.

I'm just stating what would be obvious to most people. If you can't manage to get together $25 in a YEAR then it's unlikely that you can afford to properly care for a live animal. $2 a month is hardly squeezing money from a stone.

If you wanted to make this a memebers only site then that's what it should have been a long time ago.

So at what point should a site make the switch if it's going to? At the two year mark? Maybe the three? What are the criteria exactly?

Why should paying members be the only ones to be able to bump their ads?

Why do you think non paying members should be entitled to the same perks as the paying members? Should those who choose to help this site not be entitled to any additional benefits for that contribution?
Perhaps you think everything should just be free and Rich should provide this site to you to use as you please and bear the entire burden of it himself.

Does it make them or their animals better than anyone else's just because they paid.

No, it doesn't, but it does entitle them to certain perks as a reward for their interest in the preservation of the site.

And to be honest, the only people that I think would have a problem with non-donating memebers be able to bump their ad, is the BIG name breeders who's panties are in a bunch because he wants his ads to stay on the front page.

Just how many BIG name breeders do you see advertising here? 99% of the advertisers in the classifieds are hobbyists. That fact alone renders the above statement irrelevant.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I'd like to see sales of the same species consolidated into single ads, myself. There's no reason 20 ball pythons for sale should equal 20 separate ads. That would cut down on some of the jostling I'm sure.

I already do this per morph.... but I think it would be counter productive to have an and with Mojo's, Pieds, Albinos, Bees, Pastels all in the same ad. Some folks are looking for a specific morph... so they scan for that morph listed. If your selling 10-15 morphs... then you can not list them all in the title name. Should I really have to waist time opening an ad that just says... Multiple morphs... only to find out those animals are in the high end of the spectrum and not even remotely close to what I was looking for

I don't mind the ten per month at all. That's one bump per three days, and I would hope customers would have an attention span longer than one page if they're seriously looking to buy.

So now you have to figure out which animal/morph you want to bump every three days... and you can only do one out of all the animals you have for sale. This may be feeasable if you only have a small amount of animals for sale... but for those of us that are trying to sell numbers and make this a business... this is not even worth our time.

 

[Angel Rojas]

Your choice of twisting his words certainly seemed so.

Once again I'm not twisting Rich's word, as he clearly didn't state that. I mearly commented on what OTHERS HAD POSTED

 

[Southern Wolf]

Dave... I think Angel is trying to twist my words... Not Rich's

 

[Utta]

So you think of every possible question and place it in your ads?

I dont think so

I was just using a for instance....

Sometimes we place ads when we are tired or have other things on our minds and we forget to put something in that should of been, but then someone asks a question and we remember it. We're thankful for the question and in the end that info gets out to the viewing public.

Wasn't saying that. But info like that should be put in the ad.

Maybe you can turn on the edit rich?

 

[blueapplepaste]

Sorry, but I had hoped this would not become and issue that I would have to deal with, but it has, and I am. The most effective and easiest way would have been for me to simply stop ALL replies to all classified ads and be done with it. But I'm trying to come up with a compromise solution that will work better than that drastic alternative.

I'm not complaining at all, as the bumps were getting a little ridiculous.

I wonder if it would be possible to have it so threads could be replied to w/o bumping up the thread? This way questions could be publicly addressed/answered for all to see (if it warrants a public response), but still keep it from bumping.

 

[Shadera]

I already do this per morph.... but I think it would be counter productive to have an and with Mojo's, Pieds, Albinos, Bees, Pastels all in the same ad. Some folks are looking for a specific morph... so they scan for that morph listed. If your selling 10-15 morphs... then you can not list them all in the title name. Should I really have to waist time opening an ad that just says... Multiple morphs... only to find out those animals are in the high end of the spectrum and not even remotely close to what I was looking for

That's what the search function is for. Seriously, you're not giving buyers enough credit. If you have something they want, they will find you. They aren't brainless zombies.

So now you have to figure out which animal/morph you want to bump every three days... and you can only do one out of all the animals you have for sale. This may be feeasable if you only have a small amount of animals for sale... but for those of us that are trying to sell numbers and make this a business... this is not even worth our time.

There's always higher tiers of memberships that provide more exposure, and the fee would most likely be tax deductible so I fail to see where ten a month for $25 a year is so bad. That's twenty one cents per bump if someone is only contributing for the marketing here. I'd think that'd be the number most appealing to hobbyists who only sell a few animals a year, and the folks who are here just for the fun wanting to help pay the light bill.

This is the feedback section, and all I'm doing is providing a bit of feedback for Rich that isn't complaining about him not giving us everything for nothing. I'm not saying other points aren't valid at all, just that not everyone feels the same about all these issues.

 

[Angel Rojas]

I'm just stating what would be obvious to most people. If you can't manage to get together $25 in a YEAR then it's unlikely that you can afford to properly care for a live animal. $2 a month is hardly squeezing money from a stone.



So at what point should a site make the switch if it's going to? At the two year mark? Maybe the three? What are the criteria exactly?



Why do you think non paying members should be entitled to the same perks as the paying members? Should those who choose to help this site not be entitled to any additional benefits for that contribution?
Perhaps you think everything should just be free and Rich should provide this site to you to use as you please and bear the entire burden of it himself.



No, it doesn't, but it does entitle them to certain perks as a reward for their interest in the preservation of the site.



Just how many BIG name breeders do you see advertising here? 99% of the advertisers in the classifieds are hobbyists. That fact alone renders the above statement irrelevant.

Well I thought that it was a very bad statement. I can only speak for myself, but when you have bills, 2 large retics to feed and house, pitbulls and cats, It can cost a good penny. Not to mention 3 kids, one of which will be in college soon. Hell, I had to quit smoking because of these things. And like I stated before, If this was going to be a paid memeber's only site, then that's the way it should have started. As far as big breeders here, there are plenty of them here, just look in the classifieds. If you are selling or own a 2,000-10,000 snake that's in your collection, you are more than a hobbyist. That's an investment animal that you plan on breeding

 

[Southern Wolf]

Angel... one thing to keep in mind. I dropped around $13,000 on my business last year (I didn't buy any BP morphs).... so yeah... Im gonna take offense when Rich starts talking about limiting my ability to push my ads. Im gonna try my best to see that the paying members are not affected by this change.

Not only do I pay here... but I pay to advertise on KS. If my advertising is limited... then so is my sales.

One thing that I have noticed is alot of folks that are producing babies for the first year are selling them for pennies on the dollar... and this hurts the market and everyone in the industry. What I dont get is why anyone would list an animal that retails on the low end for $30-40 and then try to sell them here for $8-10... and just keep bumping and bumping and bumping.

 

[DAND]

Dave... I think Angel is trying to twist my words... Not Rich's

I know he was twisting your words. I have no idea where he thinks I said he was twisting Rich's. I guess he is twisting my words too.

 

[Southern Wolf]

There's always higher tiers of memberships that provide more exposure, and the fee would most likely be tax deductible so I fail to see where ten a month for $25 a year is so bad. That's twenty one cents per bump if someone is only contributing for the marketing here. I'd think that'd be the number most appealing to hobbyists who only sell a few animals a year, and the folks who are here just for the fun wanting to help pay the light bill.

Your right... If you only sell a few animals a year. This year I produced around 115 animals.... next year it will be somewhere between that and 150. So would you consider me a hobbiest. Im giving my business an honest go of things.

You want to talk about higher tiers..... at the $100 level you can only bump 1.6 ads per month (30 day month). I can bump 6 ads per day per section for that same $100 on KS.

Tell me where my advertising $$ is better spent