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Bad Guy BHB reptiles "het" didn't prove out, won't fix it

btmexotics said:
You have the right to change your mind if the circumstances are appropriate.
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I dont disagree with that in THEORY, but in this instance its pretty cut and dry. None of the facts have changed since he decided to give him a credit, so why would he have a right to change his mind after he committed to it?
 
Maybe I am not being literal enough for you guys.You have the right but it may not be right. You may have consequences for your decision but you still have the right to change your mind. Brians consequence is him being dragged through the mud on this forum. I will refrain from further comment as I am in fear of more red dots! I mean its pretty sad to give someone a red dot for doing nothing wrong to anyone other than having a different opinion.
 
Honestly, I think that to have solved this in a professional and business-like way, and to not have slandered anyone's names and to refrain from embarrassing one's self...this thread should not have been started.

It is inappropriate and childish to have raised such a stink on this matter. Business professionals should handle things in exactly that orientation - Professionally.

The point of the BOI isn't to sit here, berate and degrade other breeders and services. It needs to be kept professional and "hear-say" should always be taken with a grain of salt. Every party is going to try and scape-goat the issue onto another; that being said, this sort of thing needs to stay private until a matter of finality can be reached by both parties and even then, it should really not be such a high-school drama, drawn out as if it were a B-Grade soap-opera.

If you are not going to act professionally and approach this situation as a grown adult, with maturity and age, then why should another individual be expected to reply and treat you as such? Many people have made a voice for themselves and resolved issues without raising their tone, using profanity, slander or, aggression.

There are many factors that play into this. First of all, it is human to err. Pure and simple. Second, the compatibility genetics needs to be taken into consideration (especially if the breeding stock females are not proven), as well, the purchasing of a Heterozygous animal is always a gamble. There is no promise on the terms of genetics; these are simply theoretical and a positive guarantee would be a foolish assumption that any breeder must take into account.

And for those of you who think because I am not a seasoned member of this forum; disregard your further assumptions. It is not age that makes knowledge in a person, it is the experiences drawn from instances of life that make it.
 
q.maley said:
Honestly, I think that to have solved this in a professional and business-like way, and to not have slandered anyone's names and to refrain from embarrassing one's self...this thread should not have been started.

It is inappropriate and childish to have raised such a stink on this matter. Business professionals should handle things in exactly that orientation - Professionally.

The point of the BOI isn't to sit here, berate and degrade other breeders and services. It needs to be kept professional and "hear-say" should always be taken with a grain of salt. Every party is going to try and scape-goat the issue onto another; that being said, this sort of thing needs to stay private until a matter of finality can be reached by both parties and even then, it should really not be such a high-school drama, drawn out as if it were a B-Grade soap-opera.

If you are not going to act professionally and approach this situation as a grown adult, with maturity and age, then why should another individual be expected to reply and treat you as such? Many people have made a voice for themselves and resolved issues without raising their tone, using profanity, slander or, aggression.

There are many factors that play into this. First of all, it is human to err. Pure and simple. Second, the compatibility genetics needs to be taken into consideration (especially if the breeding stock females are not proven), as well, the purchasing of a Heterozygous animal is always a gamble. There is no promise on the terms of genetics; these are simply theoretical and a positive guarantee would be a foolish assumption that any breeder must take into account.

And for those of you who think because I am not a seasoned member of this forum; disregard your further assumptions. It is not age that makes knowledge in a person, it is the experiences drawn from instances of life that make it.
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And again, all of this would be fine and dandy if the business(aka the seller) were handling it in a professional matter to begin with. Not responding to someone's calls, voicemails, messages, emails, etc. for weeks or even months at a time is not professional in any sense of the word, period.
 
So in the eyes of most, because Brian said he would take care of David (even though the animal could still be het), he needs to follow through. Fair enough.

If he has not made a deal to take care of Cliff, does he have to compensate him? If Yes, does it have to be before further breeding (het to homozygous)? Many are saying that the issue of the snake being a het isn't the issue anymore, and that the issue is that Brian agreed to compensate and hasn't. The issue from Cliff's side is that the animal isn't a het.

Does Brian need to compensate Cliff? I am only asking because I would hate to see this resolved and faith in Brian restored only to have others come after him on the same snake deal.
 
You're certainly correct that a business professional should respond in a timely fashion; however, it is inappropriate to think that an individual would halt their complete daily happenings and scheduled business to clear something like this up on a hair-pin.

The first unprofessional act was to bring this to the public - it was inappropriate. How will it make any bit of difference? Assuming that making a public stink of the situation isn't going to do anything but burn bridges faster and make a fool of ones-self...
 
The offended party purchased a heterozygous animal - we all know, young or seasoned in the hobby, that there is an inherent risk with a heterozygous animal and that genetics are not a promised addition to the animal. The probability of true heterozygous animal is always assumed, but it is not a promise and there are those situations where it does not prove out.
 
q.maley said:
You're certainly correct that a business professional should respond in a timely fashion; however, it is inappropriate to think that an individual would halt their complete daily happenings and scheduled business to clear something like this up on a hair-pin.

The first unprofessional act was to bring this to the public - it was inappropriate. How will it make any bit of difference? Assuming that making a public stink of the situation isn't going to do anything but burn bridges faster and make a fool of ones-self...
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Considering the fact that within minutes of posting this the OP received a response from Brian after not getting any responses for weeks, I think it accomplished exactly what it was intended to in the beginning, which was, as stated, to get some sort of response after months of this dragging out.
 
aleria said:
Considering the fact that within minutes of posting this the OP received a response from Brian after not getting any responses for weeks, I think it accomplished exactly what it was intended to in the beginning, which was, as stated, to get some sort of response after months of this dragging out.
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Exactly.

And is so called professionalism equates to things never being brought to the public eye when one or both parties are in the wrong then I think that definition needs a rewrite.

Brian knows the thread is here. He acknowledged it, just as he took responsibility for what has happened with this "het." animal. However, despite this, he is not dealing with either situation in a professional manner. At this point, it would seem he is relying on his reputation to excuse his failure to conclude this business dealing that he agreed to.

That is not professionalism. Not in the least.
 
I never thought about what happens with Cliff... If David should get anything, then Brian should get back the Spider, but then what does Cliff get???
 
How low a blow then? The business of BHB has a considerably decent reputation, and one off-occurance out of 100 is to be expected. Were BHB to act this way about everything then perhaps a red flag should be raised; an individual aught best consider the position of their proposed offender before assuming that they're being blown off.

I simply feel that this should have been handled differently. Pure and clean.
 
No one is saying that the reputation of BHB should keep it afloat in the eye of this industry; however, none of us know the exact story here. Details may be omitted and none of us can sit in both parties shoes and feel the exact issues at hand. I think threatening an individual with public shaming because of bad business or bad luck is silly.
 
DaveyFig said:
So in the eyes of most, because Brian said he would take care of David (even though the animal could still be het), he needs to follow through. Fair enough.

If he has not made a deal to take care of Cliff, does he have to compensate him? If Yes, does it have to be before further breeding (het to homozygous)? Many are saying that the issue of the snake being a het isn't the issue anymore, and that the issue is that Brian agreed to compensate and hasn't. The issue from Cliff's side is that the animal isn't a het.

Does Brian need to compensate Cliff? I am only asking because I would hate to see this resolved and faith in Brian restored only to have others come after him on the same snake deal.
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Exactly. I mean the op sold the snake(or trade?).He has been compensated by that already.Why does he get more than that.Where does it all end? Where does one draw the line? I mean everyone who touches that snake gets to bully Brian into giving them a snake or two?

Regardless of Brians original promise does everyone really feel that he should have to compensate the OP if he isn't in the wrong?That is obsurd. Absolutely sounds like getting something for nothing to me.
 
The three groups should meet together and find a means to an end here. They are all assumably professionals and mature, grown men. Let it be there that this closes and that hear-say be put to and end...
 
This isn't public shaming, if you think it is, then you probably shouldn't bother with being here.

The details of the story were given by two people thus far and Brian has done nothing to "correct" or "add" to it to prove there were omissions. So, as it stands right now, yes the exact story has been given.

David wants resolution that was promised to him by Brian. Brian has failed to hold up his end, whether he should have taken responsibility for it or not is a non issue because he did take it. Now he is failing to hold up his side of it.
 
q.maley said:
How low a blow then? The business of BHB has a considerably decent reputation, and one off-occurance out of 100 is to be expected. Were BHB to act this way about everything then perhaps a red flag should be raised; an individual aught best consider the position of their proposed offender before assuming that they're being blown off.

I simply feel that this should have been handled differently. Pure and clean.
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Ok then explain exactly how you would have gone about handling it if you were in this exact situation of being completely ignored and blown off for literally months by someone in such a "position" as BHB, as you put it. Would you just continue to be put out until they saw fit to resolve things with you and just keep your pretty little mouth shut in the mean time simply because they are in such good standing and it would be "inappropriate" to sully their good rep? I mean really, explain this to me.

I personally don't care how great someone's rep is, if they aren't handling a situation in a timely or proper fashion, then I believe it needs to be brought to light and pushed forward by any legal means necessary, thus the BOI.
I mean how many times over the years have we watched situations just like this one finally come to a resolution because now it was out in the open that a customer was being treated unfairly?
 
I agree with that (btmexotics and DaveyFig).

A line needs to be drawn. It's a bad roll of the dice or a poor draw, whatever - it's a heterozygous animal, what more needs to be said? Agree to disagree and go on about your business, it wasn't going to make or break any of them and it isn't the end of the world.
 
How long does Cliff have to wait for compensation? David has told him that he will be compensated regardless of whether Brian comes through or not. Has he? He was told he would be. If he is still waiting for something he was told he would get, where is the difference between that and what Brian is doing?
 
ShadowAceD said:
This isn't public shaming, if you think it is, then you probably shouldn't bother with being here.

The details of the story were given by two people thus far and Brian has done nothing to "correct" or "add" to it to prove there were omissions. So, as it stands right now, yes the exact story has been given.

David wants resolution that was promised to him by Brian. Brian has failed to hold up his end, whether he should have taken responsibility for it or not is a non issue because he did take it. Now he is failing to hold up his side of it.
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It is ,in a way, public shaming.I mean giving red dots to people is like wearing the scarlet letter.It's red-iculous.
 
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