TSA forces cancer survivor to show prosthetic breast

[WebSlave]

How long before vehicles on the highway can be pulled over at any time for a "security check"? Or even mandatory "security checks" of your home without notice?

At what point does the "Land of the free and home of the brave" not only say "NO", but "HELL NO!" to this kind of crap?

 

[Southern Wolf]

That child being searched that way was just awful. I certainly do not agree with it.

What are some other solutions to the security problems at the airports? My solution is that I don't fly (dislike it immensely anyway!), I drive. But seriously, we obviously have major security issues at our airports, what should be done to make the folks that do travel by plane more secure? Would any of you change your mind is we have another airplane related terrorist attack, perhaps worse than 9/11 was? I'm just curious to hear everyon'e opinions.

Kelli.... there is one thing I have learned from working the past 6 years in prision. Your not gonna stop criminals. You can catch some things... but they are always inventing new ways of getting around you. Do you realize because of this... there is now a metal detector chair. You sit in it.... and it will alert you if someone has keesterd a metal object.

Here is what I know..... all you need is a few dedicated folks to keester what they need to pull off their plan. Yes... it may take more sucide bomber types than before.... but your not gonna stop them.

How about we just start doing cavity searches on everyone that decides to fly?

When do we say enough is enough? and more importantly..... aside from 9/11 ... how many of these guys (shoe bomber, underwear bomber) actually borded from the US..... Ummmmm none right. They were flying TO the USA.

 

[Southern Wolf]

How long before vehicles on the highway can be pulled over at any time for a "security check"? Or even mandatory "security checks" of your home without notice?

At what point does the "Land of the free and home of the brave" not only say "NO", but "HELL NO!" to this kind of crap?

But Rich.... its to keep you safe from yourself

Here is what folks aren't seeing. The gov says they are suspending your rights when you fly to keep you safe. And the majority of the folks are saying.... OK.

Guess what.... They see this... and dont you think for a second that it's not registering. Lets say they want more control in another location (schools, courthouses, whatever)... all they have to do is manufacture some sort of big bad threat... and bam. We let them take away our rights in that area as well because its done "to keep us safe". Our gov has gotten too big for their britches and we let them.

When are we going to say.... enough is enough!!

 

[Southern Wolf]

This guy makes a whole helluva lot of sense.

 

[Southern Wolf]

WASHINGTON — The head of the agency responsible for airport security, facing protests from travelers and pressure from the White House, appeared to give ground Sunday on his position that there would be no change in policies regarding invasive passenger screening procedures.

Still, he pointed to the alleged attempt by a Nigerian with explosives in his underwear to try to bring down an Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight last Christmas. "We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary," Pistole said, "but that just isn't the case."

He didn't even board a plane here. What does out security checks have to do with someone that boards a plan in Amsterdam. Our security checks wont stop them from boarding in a foriegn country.

"Clearly it's invasive, it's not comfortable," Pistole said of the scans and pat-downs during the TV interview. But, he added, "if we are to detect terrorists, who have again proven innovative and creative in their design and implementation of bombs that are going to blow up airplanes and kill people, then we have to do something that prevents that."

Those who refuse to go through the scanners are subject to thorough pat-downs that include agency officials touching the clothed genital areas of passengers.

Pistole was shown videos of people being patted down where the screeners touched the breasts of a woman, felt into the pants of another person and felt the crotch of a man. He said all three cases were proper and that the gloves of the screener who felt inside the pants were then tested for explosive trace residue.

If your feeling INSIDE my pants... I'm gonna knock you the out. Plain and simple. Im not trying to get a hand job from someone I dont even know.

for the full story.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40302432/ns/travel-news/

 

[Southern Wolf]

TSA has met the enemy — and they are us
Frustration with the federal agency is boiling over after nine years

"After 9/11 people were scared and when people are scared they'll do anything for someone who will make them less scared," said Bruce Schneier, a Minneapolis security technology expert who has long been critical of the TSA. "But ... this is particularly invasive. It's strip-searching. It's body groping. As abhorrent goes, this pegs it."

A traveler in San Diego, John Tyner, has become an Internet hero after resisting both the scan and the pat-down, telling a TSA screener: "If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested." That has helped ignite a campaign urging people to refuse such searches on Nov. 24, which immediately precedes Thanksgiving and is one of the year's busiest travel days.

After Congress approved creation of the agency in late 2001, the TSA grew quickly from just 13 employees in January 2002 to 65,000 a year later.

But the agency was working under what Freeman calls "an unachievable mandate." Congress demanded an agency that eliminated risk. But the risks are always changing, as terrorists devise new methods and government parries. That has led to an agency that is always in crisis mode, constantly adding new policies designed to respond to the last terror plot.

The pushback against the body scanners and pat-downs shows the agency at its worst, Elliott said, issuing a policy that wasn't properly vetted or explained, but determined to defend it.

Growing dissatisfaction with TSA has even led some airports to consider replacing the agency with private screeners. Such a change is allowed by law, but contractor must follow all the security procedures mandated by the TSA, including body scans and pat-downs.

Elliott said that better communication would probably win the TSA more cooperation. But the pushback suggests that a growing number of consumers, particularly frequent travelers, are questioning the premise at the heart of the agency's existence.

"I think at some point Americans said to themselves, maybe in their collective subconscious...there's a line here where it's not just worth it anymore," he said. "There's a growing sense that that line has been crossed."

To read the whole story... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40298973/ns/us_news-airliner_security?ns=us_news-airliner_security

 

[Southern Wolf]

If this dont piss you off... I dont know what will. This clip covers more than just the title. It also talks about the TSA agents groping a 16yr old girl... forcing a woman to pull out a nipple ring with pliers.... and slamming a woman to the floor.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Moved to HELL

 

[Southern Wolf]

You must watch!






Video from TSA that vindicates Meg!!!!!

 

[Dennis Hultman]

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Those of you with children, is this OK? If yes, when will you ever speak up?

The answer is never. To many people are just willing to go along with whatever they are told.

These machines were sent out in response for the "underwear bomber's" attempt.
Reactive not proactive and to many people just don't care. They will sacrifice just about every little freedom to live in their little bubble world.

 

[Southern Wolf]

The answer is never. To many people are just willing to go along with whatever they are told.

These machines were sent out in response for the "underwear bomber's" attempt.
Reactive not proactive and to many people just don't care. They will sacrifice just about every little freedom to live in their little bubble world.

And the funny thing is... the underwear bomber didnt even board the plane in America

 

[Southern Wolf]

Earlier Monday, Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole urged passengers angry over safety procedures not to boycott airport body scans.

Of course he dont want us to boycott the body scans. That would prove that americans can think for themselves and not rely on being fed a load of crap from the gov.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40312411/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

He said he understands public concerns about privacy in the wake of the tough new security checks, but said that a relatively small proportion of the 34 million people who have flown since the new procedures went into effect have had body pat downs.

So that makes it ok for the TSA to sexually assualt passengers because it doesnt happen that often. BS!!!!

 

[Southern Wolf]

Passenger chooses strip-down over pat-down

When a San Diego man opted out of security screening using the Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) at Lindbergh Field Friday, he stripped down to his underwear in an attempt to avoid the pat-down procedures.

Samuel Wolanyk took the protest started Nov. 13 by Oceanside's John Tyner to a whole new level.

While Tyner videotaped his refusal to be patted down, telling the agent "If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested," Wolanyk decided to give TSA a look at his body down to his Calvin Klein's.

Amen!!! My hats off to this guy for standing up to the feel up.

Through a statement released by his attorney Sunday night, Wolanyk said "TSA needs to see that I'm not carrying any weapons, explosives, or other prohibited substances, I refuse to have images of my naked body viewed by perfect strangers, and having been felt up for the first time by TSA the week prior (I travel frequently) I was not willing to be molested again."

Sounds like someone is finally willing to stand up for their rights.

Wolanyk's attorney said that TSA requested his client put his clothes on so he could be patted down properly but his client refused to put his clothes back on. He never refused a pat down, according to his attorney.

Wolanyk was arrested for refusing to complete the security process. A woman, identified by Harbor police as Danielle Kelli Hayman, 39, of San Diego was detained for recording the incident on a phone.

So now they have seen everything ... and they still want to feel him up. Whats wrong with this picture. And they detained the woman for shooting the video. When is it illegal to video news in the making. Isn't that what reporters attempt to do every day.

the full story... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40314284/ns/travel-news

 

[Southern Wolf]

Tell the TSA 'Don't touch my junk' – here's how

This link has information and ways to voice your displeasure. Please give it a read and submit your opinions. http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/22/5510440-tell-the-tsa-dont-touch-my-junk-heres-how

Whether or not you're traveling on Wednesday, there are plenty of other ways you can let the TSA know what you think. "Individuals appalled by these procedures have a right to submit formal complaints to the TSA," the Electronic Frontier Foundation reports. "It is important the passengers and crew submit complaints to showcase the widespread resistance to these procedures. "

The EFF plans to file a Freedom of Information Act request to test the claim that the TSA has seen minimal increases in complaints, and the privacy advocacy encorages travelers to submit any complaints as well. Here's how:

From EFF's website http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/11/stand-against-tsa-invasive-security-procedures

The Transportation Security Administration has adopted "enhanced" security procedures — presenting people with the horrible choice of either submitting to body scanners that show passengers unclothed or submit to what are called "groping" pat-down techniques which include touching both breasts and genitalia. As some have noted these processes appear to have little likelihood of increasing the safety of fliers.

Individuals appalled by these procedures have a right to submit formal complaints to the TSA. It is important the passengers and crew submit complaints to showcase the widespread resistance to these procedures. TSA maintains that they have seen no increase in complaints about the new security procedures. EFF will be filing FOIA requests to test this claim, but in the meantime we wanted to make sure that people who wished to complain knew how to make their thoughts and feelings heard.

They then go on to tell you how to complain about the treatment we are receiving at the hands of TSA and they give you all the links you need to file your complaints.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

And they detained the woman for shooting the video. When is it illegal to video news in the making. Isn't that what reporters attempt to do every day.

Not only that but for those that don't understand what these new "pat downs" are and refuse both scanning or the enhanced pat downs, TSA has confirmed that if you arrive at the screening section and refuse both you will not be allowed to leave the area without submitting to one or the other. $11,000 penalty and arrest if you try to exit the airport without the screening.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Not only that but for those that don't understand what these new "pat downs" are and refuse both scanning or the enhanced pat downs, TSA has confirmed that if you arrive at the screening section and refuse both you will not be allowed to leave the area without submitting to one or the other. $11,000 penalty and arrest if you try to exit the airport without the screening.

Once again... it just proves its all about the money. Why cant we just decide... .screw it.. Im not gonna subject myself to this and I wont fly. Now it becomes a crime that I bought a ticket and didn't use it because I didn't want to be seen naked or get felt up.

and in other news......

How to steal a body-scan picture
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/17/5482640-how-to-steal-a-body-scan-picture

 

[The BoidSmith]

This is a true story. Due to the nature of my work I fly quite a bit so I'm used to being "randomly chosen" for a heightened security inspection but the following takes the cake.

Flying in through Chicago I was waiting in line for my security check. Lots of people in line and veeery slow. To kill some time I started reading the rules of security posted by the line. It was obvious someone was watching me while I read. When it is my turn, the lady in charge that has headphones on her has me go through the metal detector. Nothing rings and I thought let's go and she says hold one second, you need to go through here, and points to one of those machines that puff air to you, and so I did. Done I thought, wrong. She now calls a big guy and asks him to pat me down, he touches me left and right, north and south. The lady then cups headphones as if trying to hear better and she says "blue jeans"; she then tells me to open my pants and show the underside of the belt. I was very tempted at that point to play dumb and drop my pants. In the meantime all the other passengers were watching...After that I decided to play along and have fun. I bet to myself if I'm going to be randomly chosen and look nervous while in line, looking around and fidgeting with my fingers...

 

[Dennis Hultman]

One thing for certain is that those that find this whole situation wrong includes all political areas. Right, left no-matter. The only ones spouting support on air, is the current administration, TSA and a few political hacks from both ruling parties.

 

[Southern Wolf]

It is wrong. I dont support any political side. Politicians = Liars. Its that simple. The question becomes... who lies the least.

My problem is... if I cant walk up to someone and rub their crotch or breasts... then why can the gov do that to me. Illegal is Illegal. Period point blank. What makes it not Illegal for them. Those that want to chime in and say... cause it makes you safer.. .I have to ask this.

Is your head up your a** for the warmth. Pull it out and see the larger picture. It doesn't make you safer. Not everyone is going thru this.... so the potential still exists that that unsafe individual gets on the plane.

So you say... then everyone should have to get felt up or get digitally strip searched. Are we as a country really willing to put up with that amount of invasion of privacy. Hell if the TSA can play with that blonds boobs.. .then I should be able to. Im a law enforcement officer.... why cant I if they can. We are both trying to keep folks safe. Kinda sounds absurd doesn't it.