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Inquiry esnake.com questions?I always get nervous when a new breeder with a slick presentatio

i went back and reread the op first post and it should have been worded differantly for sure. but he has a right to ask questions. but those questions should be worded correctly
adam jeffery
 
I dont think this thread will hurt him at all because of the response to it, if im gonna read the first post, im gonna read at least the first page. The title should have been worded differently and certain point do sound accusatory. But U guys should really back off him. He did apologize, and based on what he said about the Chinese domain and its misrepresentation of other products, I too would have my suspicions.
 
rcpreis3 said:
I dont think this thread will hurt him at all because of the response to it, if im gonna read the first post, im gonna read at least the first page. The title should have been worded differently and certain point do sound accusatory. But U guys should really back off him. He did apologize, and based on what he said about the Chinese domain and its misrepresentation of other products, I too would have my suspicions.
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I could be wrong, but I do not think Thomas has anything to do with a company that operates out of China. Linking Thomas to a disreputable Chinese company because Thomas's website is esnake, and a chinese co. owns the domain name is quite a stretch IMO. I found what appears to be a Spanish Graphic Arts co. http://www.esnake.mx/
China has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread?:shrug01:
 
Casey Hulse said:
I could be wrong, but I do not think Thomas has anything to do with a company that operates out of China. Linking Thomas to a disreputable Chinese company because Thomas's website is esnake, and a chinese co. owns the domain name is quite a stretch IMO. I found what appears to be a Spanish Graphic Arts co. http://www.esnake.mx/
China has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread?:shrug01:
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Casey... look at it this way. Lets say Thomas is building a website/company called esnake... and if you do a whois search on esnake.com and come up with a Chineese company... then there is NO WAY that Thomas can get esnake dot com. Its already taken. So the question seems valid.

Keep in mind I am going strickly off of what has been presented here.. not doing my own research into the matter.

Quite frankly... the first thing I did when I built my business was buy the domain name... then built my business around it. In this day and age if the domain is available.. then chances are there isn't another business with that name.... or at least another online business. :thumbsup:

The OP saw the amount/quality of the BP morphs and did a search and come up with a company in a foriegn land. I cant blame him for being suspicious.
 
Jeeze, this thread went out of hand quick...

Mitchell, I just ran a search on the domain and the registrant info is:
R, K [email protected]
PO BOX 1232
Brighton, Michigan 48116
United States
(810) 937-6732

The nicecycle.com domain has a proxy registration, but being that the city and state of the registered reptile domain matches what is advertised on the front end of the website, I'm not too concerned. The only thing I find involving nicecycle.com and China is they have products drop shipped from China. This isn't unusual.

Anyway, you did the right thing by inquiring on a new company (and I hope this thread will turn around and provide you with some valid feedback). Just be a bit more careful and explain yourself more clearly in the future.
 
Hi, we are a real company with no connection to any "chinese" related companies other than that my website designer has done web design for NiceCycle as well as other websites. I do not appreciate this negative speculation and would apperciate it this thread was removed by the moderators.

My name is Tom, many people on the forums call me "Hot Dog", I have been breeding for many many years and have always been on the forums just never actively posting. If you have any questions you can feel free to email me directly at the contact email on our website, or this email as well: [email protected]
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
Anyway, you did the right thing by inquiring on a new company (and I hope this thread will turn around and provide you with some valid feedback). Just be a bit more careful and explain yourself more clearly in the future.
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:yesnod::thumbsup:
 
Tom,
Thanks for posting. I absolutely LOVE your collection by the way. If you ever need a liver, kidney or lung let me know. I'm sure we can work out a trade.
 
Casey Hulse said:
Oh, I thought you were questioning the guy who has recently been showing off his great collection of snakes, the one who is working on a website and has been posting here and on KS.
If you are looking for a company that owns the esnake domain name, and deals with China, maybe you should look elsewhere.
There is NO justification for your inquiry.

Mentioning morphkings (it was morphking by the way)
for any reason other than add more negative things about Thomas was foolish.

I'll fill you in on what I know, which isn't much.
About 6'4", maybe 350lbs, owns a few businesses in the Detroit area, works probably 7 days a week, and long hrs.
No reason at all to cast a cloud over his reputation because you were "curious"
You thought you were on the trail of a "bad guy" and wanted the "kudos" for being the first to "out him", instead you jumped the gun and end up with pie in your face...:willy_nil
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I agree 100%. Should have kept mouth closed. Robert
 
thomas raspoptsis said:
Hi, we are a real company with no connection to any "chinese" related companies other than that my website designer has done web design for NiceCycle as well as other websites. I do not appreciate this negative speculation and would apperciate it this thread was removed by the moderators.

My name is Tom, many people on the forums call me "Hot Dog", I have been breeding for many many years and have always been on the forums just never actively posting. If you have any questions you can feel free to email me directly at the contact email on our website, or this email as well: [email protected]
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No BOI thread will ever be removed or deleted by the mods. Its the rules. But do to Caseys words, so far this is a good guy thread. No one has come up and said u were a bad guy. The OP should have worded his post more carefully and professionally in the BOI, but the point still remains valid. I'm sure the OP will learn from this and be more careful posting next time. I dont think u should have any worries about this affecting ur business. The only thing that would keep me from buying from u is I heard u have alot of high end morphs and they would be out of my price range.
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Maybe he'll drop some under my tree? :D
 
Hello everyone...that is fine and I am completely open to questions of any kind. The problem is that people do not understand that when they post these things how they show up in the search engines. They appear RIGHT ON TOP....which this post is already doing, just Google (eSnake.com). So... it will affect my business I believe. I have a lot of time, money, and labor put into my collection.
 
if anything this post will help your business, as this is an inquiry and no one has said you were a bad guy. just keep your composure and act professional and it will most likely help you in the long run.
i have seen many people get an inquiry that turns against them. because they try to defend to such a degree that they stop acting professional. imho it ends up looking worse for them than the original inquiry.
you have been great and to the point thus far. just dont let this thread work you up to much and you and your business should be just fine.
adam jeffery
 
farfrumugen said:
if anything this post will help your business, as this is an inquiry and no one has said you were a bad guy. just keep your composure and act professional and it will most likely help you in the long run.
i have seen many people get an inquiry that turns against them. because they try to defend to such a degree that they stop acting professional. imho it ends up looking worse for them than the original inquiry.
you have been great and to the point thus far. just dont let this thread work you up to much and you and your business should be just fine.
adam jeffery
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:iagree:

If anything this should help more then it hurts.
 
farfrumugen said:
if anything this post will help your business, as this is an inquiry and no one has said you were a bad guy. just keep your composure and act professional and it will most likely help you in the long run.
i have seen many people get an inquiry that turns against them. because they try to defend to such a degree that they stop acting professional. imho it ends up looking worse for them than the original inquiry.
you have been great and to the point thus far. just dont let this thread work you up to much and you and your business should be just fine.
adam jeffery
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This thread will become "notorious",people will be talking about it at shows and online, the publicity will definately not hurt you Tom, You are a good guy, and have reacted to this thread calmly and repectfully, and it will help your website "counter"

These guys seem to own about a half million in ball pythons or more.
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I can't wait till some of your babies starts appearing on your site.
 
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