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more wonderful service from UPS

UPDATE: This is the most recent reply from UPS:

Response (Vicky Y.)12/25/2010 05:07 AM
Dear Michael,

Thank you for your reply. I apologize for the delay in responding to your inquiry. The UPS Stores are independently owned and operated franchises that offer convenient shipping locations, certified packaging experts, and published UPS shipping rates. Published UPS rates are offered for both freight charges and miscellaneous charges (except for declared value).

The UPS Store locations may charge additional fees for other shipping services such as packaging and document preparation. The fees for additional services vary by location.

For further information about UPS Store shipping services (including any additional charges that may apply), please contact your local UPS Store location. To find your closest UPS Store location, please use the following link:

http://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US


In addition, the weather delay does not necessarily mean at your location but while the packages were in transit. I certainly apologize for the delay and all of the frustration this may have caused you. I am unable to give you a specific location where the weather delay occurred.

Please contact us if you need any additional assistance.

Vicky Y.
UPS Customer Service
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....and my response:

Vicky,

Thank you for the reply. To be perfectly honest, given the service I've received thus far, I had given up on any further response from UPS at this point.

In light of all the information I have received, I feel that if this is the type of service one is going to receive from UPS, then the company needs to a little more upfront with the possibility delays and extra charges.

For starters, if there are going to be additional charges, the UPS employee booking the package should notify the customer this is taking place, and why.
UPS needs to make more accurate records of when, where, how, and why delays occur. If adverse weather is an issue in Kentucky, it needs to have that exceptional data recorded WHILE IT IS IN Kentucky...not California. The fact that you cannot pinpoint exactly where the weather delay occurred is unsatisfactory. A company as large as UPS should keep better records than that.

During the holiday season with the high volume of packages being shipped across the country, perhaps UPS needs to put better effort making customers aware that delays will occur. In my personal situation, I have YET to receive an explanation as to why my package was still delayed a day and half AFTER the weather delay occurred, and personally feel that UPS did not make an adequate effort to get the package delivered A.S.A.P. With all the vague answers I keep receiving (poor record keeping, perhaps? see above), I don't think I'll be getting one either.

It seems to me that UPS does not keep accurate records of the packages they ship, and rumor has it that employees will often just put down "adverse weather" when the package was actually delayed because of a human error (of course, UPS would never admit to this behavior, but I'm just letting you know perhaps you guys need to straighten up and make sure you're doing everything you can for the customer. There's a lot of "one-time" customers who feel this way!).

Additionally, I was not properly notified of additional charges to my package. It almost felt like UPS decided to take advantage of everyone's hectic schedule and slap on extra charges at the last minute, knowing that most people would not protest during the holidays.

Just for future reference, Vicky, here are some responses that a good customer service rep should have made during the corrospondence:

"Mr. Crabtree, I do not why you received extra charges on your package. If you can give me the location where the package was booked, perhaps I can try and find out why and possibly if the extra fees were applied in error." [Leaving the investigative work up to the customer = bad]

"Mr. Crabtree, I apologize for the weather delay in your package's transit. If you would like, I can try and find out exactly when the adverse weather conditions occurred. While unlikely, it is possible the package was unneccessarily delayed after the foul weather was experienced, and if so, perhaps we can offer you a partial refund." [Recited and rehearsed replies with vague answers (i.e. "I don't know..., etc") don't cut it. At least TRY and make it look like you're doing something!]

...or something to that effect. Of course, any sort of response like the examples cited above would imply that your company perhaps made a mistake. Apparently, you would not want to admit such a thing, and it just seems more convenient to blame it on the weather.

Understand, Vicky, that at this point, I'm not upset that I am not receiving a refund from UPS (although I still feel at least a partial refund is not unreasonable). I am now upset because it appears that you did not even TRY to help me get to the bottom of this matter. Was it just too much work to ask of you? What have I learned from this experience is:

  • UPS does not keep accurate records of individual packages.
  • UPS does not seem to care if they meet a deadline or not.
  • UPS does not have good customer service.
Unless you have some refutable evidence that contradicts those statements, please do not bother responding. At this point, I do not feel I will ever use UPS again. Let it be known that I will also make everyone I know aware of this fact. This experience will be posted on my facebook page, my personal blog, etc, as well as all forums I participate on.

UPS = fail

Sincerely,
Michael Crabtree
 
I know I definitely am at fault a few things myself (for starters, using UPS in the first place!), but still...am I totally in the wrong here? Am I just being a whiny-pants about this?
 
It doesn't matter what I was shipping. Whether had I been shipping geckos, snakes or baby turtles, I would not have packaged them any differently. I purposely do not put any labels such as "live harmless reptiles" or "perishable: rush", etc. on my boxes because this essentially paints a proverbial bull's eye on them. UPS and FEDEX employees alike seem to take great joy on accidentally "dropping" or "denting" such packages out of prejudice. I have adopted this practive through personal experience as well as accounts from colleagues. SO again, my process of packaging and booking the shipment would not have changed, and ultimately, it would not have altered the delivery time.

Again, the contents of the package are irrelevant IMHO. The simple fact remains that I paid good money for a service that I did not receive. Whether there was a gecko, a rock, or a DVD is moot; it still wouldv'e arrived late.
 
It doesn't matter what I was shipping. Whether had I been shipping geckos, snakes or baby turtles, I would not have packaged them any differently. I purposely do not put any labels such as "live harmless reptiles" or "perishable: rush", etc. on my boxes because this essentially paints a proverbial bull's eye on them. UPS and FEDEX employees alike seem to take great joy on accidentally "dropping" or "denting" such packages out of prejudice. I have adopted this practive through personal experience as well as accounts from colleagues. SO again, my process of packaging and booking the shipment would not have changed, and ultimately, it would not have altered the delivery time.

Again, the contents of the package are irrelevant IMHO. The simple fact remains that I paid good money for a service that I did not receive. Whether there was a gecko, a rock, or a DVD is moot; it still wouldv'e arrived late.

I don't have a problem with what you were shipping at all, but from other threads I have read here, many people do have a problem if you are shipping snakes UPS or Fed Ex without a waiver. I suppose one could infer that you have no reason to bitch about the service if you are violating their terms of service.

I've been shipping reptiles for many years and have used both UPS and Fed Ex so I am aware of the "dimensional weight" thing. I'm not sure if there is a place to enter the dimensions of your package on the UPS website when you are getting an estimate on shipping charges, but if there isn't then there should be. Sometimes deliveries are delayed for weather or mechanical reasons (usually it is because flights are delayed). Be happy that your "whatever it was" arrived alive and healthy.
 
Mike.... UPS definitely does not care about customer service. I just got to deal with their lack of caring today.

I had a return package that I needed to ship. I already knew that my semi local hub was only open for 2 hours in the morning for drop offs... so I opted to drive 45 miles in the other direction to get to a larger hub. Well.... I was late getting there too because they only work about 5 hours a day at the customer service counter.

That shows you how UPS feels about customer service. They are closed when everyone has thier lunch break. They were open from 8-11 and then again from 3-5. I made it there at 11:30 since I had to work last night and ended up tracking down a brown truck and the driver took it.

UPS is a joke!
 
I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain your delay but I am going to anyway.

I work in ramp operations management at Worldport, UPS' main hub in Louisville. Your package was picked up late in the day and did not make it onto the first ABY-SDF (Albany, GA to Louisville) flight and came in on the second one. Normally there is only a single flight from ABY to SDF but during the holidays UPS adds hundreds of extra flights each day.

By the time your package arrived in Louisville the first Ontario flight had already left and a second one was preparing to leave. We sent out five Ontario planes that night including one that was on an "out and back", meaning the plane left, flew to its destination and then returned empty to pick up more volume and fly back out.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, that's the night we had a freezing rain and ice storm here which slowed things greatly. If that was the day, then I personally got covered in ice and rain for twelve hours trying to get the planes loaded and out of here.

The delay noted on your tracking was in Louisville, not Ontario. After the plane leaves all the tracking information for all 100,000 plus packages on that plane is compiled and assigned that same exception. It's not instantaneous and is done by a person.

And by the way, Louisville is in the eastern time zone, not central.

Why didn't Ontario make the effort to get your package to you that day? It was already extremely late and by that point all the drivers had already been assigned for the day. UPS and FedEx don't have extra drivers, trucks or sorters on hand during the holidays.

One last thing: contrary to what you might think, live and perishable shipments do take priority.
 
I probably shouldn't bother trying to explain your delay but I am going to anyway.

I work in ramp operations management at Worldport, UPS' main hub in Louisville. Your package was picked up late in the day and did not make it onto the first ABY-SDF (Albany, GA to Louisville) flight and came in on the second one. Normally there is only a single flight from ABY to SDF but during the holidays UPS adds hundreds of extra flights each day.

By the time your package arrived in Louisville the first Ontario flight had already left and a second one was preparing to leave. We sent out five Ontario planes that night including one that was on an "out and back", meaning the plane left, flew to its destination and then returned empty to pick up more volume and fly back out.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, that's the night we had a freezing rain and ice storm here which slowed things greatly. If that was the day, then I personally got covered in ice and rain for twelve hours trying to get the planes loaded and out of here.

The delay noted on your tracking was in Louisville, not Ontario. After the plane leaves all the tracking information for all 100,000 plus packages on that plane is compiled and assigned that same exception. It's not instantaneous and is done by a person.

And by the way, Louisville is in the eastern time zone, not central.

Why didn't Ontario make the effort to get your package to you that day? It was already extremely late and by that point all the drivers had already been assigned for the day. UPS and FedEx don't have extra drivers, trucks or sorters on hand during the holidays.

One last thing: contrary to what you might think, live and perishable shipments do take priority.

Thank you for your post! It's so nice to hear from a knowledgeable person who gives you actual (not canned) answers!

Can you tell me about mechanical delays? I've had two in the few months, one in KY and one in Ontario and both packages were over 24 hours delayed. Do they not have extra planes to handle this problem?
 
Thank you for your post! It's so nice to hear from a knowledgeable person who gives you actual (not canned) answers!

Can you tell me about mechanical delays? I've had two in the few months, one in KY and one in Ontario and both packages were over 24 hours delayed. Do they not have extra planes to handle this problem?

Sorry this response is so delayed, I just stumbled across this thread again. Yes, there are extra planes on hand (we call them "hot spares") but the problem isn't with a lack of aircraft, more a lack of time. And I apologize in advance for the length of this novella.

Mechanical delays can be just about anything, from a blown fuse or burnt out indicator light in the cockpit to a leaky toilet to a major engine issue. I'm not trying to sound like an ad for the company but UPS does take flight safety seriously and they will ground a plane for a lot less than most carriers.

Some mechanicals are quick and easy fixes, some not. If it's something the maintenance crew can take care of in a few minutes (lights, things like that) then there is usually no problem. But sometimes issues come up that take a while longer to fix and then things can start to stack up.

There are thousands of things that could go wrong on a plane, but let's just say for example that your package is going out on an MD-11, a very advanced airplane but also one prone to mechanical issues. Once the plane is loaded at the dock and all the inspections and paperwork is complete, the plane is pushed back, or blocked, from the dock onto the ramp. This is typically when the engines are fired up, but on this plane with your package they can't get engine number three to fire so they bring it back in to block. By this point in time the plane is probably already close to a half hour late.

Marshalers will have to reposition crew stairs so that the maintenance crew can get into the cockpit to try and diagnose the issue. How long it takes to figure out what the problem is and how long it will take to fix it determines whether or not we have to "tail swap" (planes are identified by their tail number, hence the term tail swap). For the sake of this discussion they discover an issue that can't be fixed right away after about fifteen minutes so they call for the swap. Now we are close to an hour late, plus we have to pull several crews from other assignments to cover this one.

By the time the crews are assembled, doors are opened and equipment is in place on the aircraft we are an hour and fifteen minutes late. MD-11s have to be unloaded in a specific sequence so that they don't tail tip:

http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/Gemini_tipup/GeminiTipup.htm

Unloading in sequence takes about 35 to 45 minutes, depending on the crew and the weight of the containers inside. Now you're close to two hours late. Reloading the hot spare can't begin until the first aircraft is unloaded because the containers that come off last from the first plane have to go on first in the spare. Why? Because there are three different cargo container areas on an MD, topside (which can take just about any size container), the front P-section (takes smaller L-9 containers because the ceiling clearance is only about five and a half feet) and the rear p-section which takes even smaller containers.

By the time the hot spare is reloaded the plane is two and a half hours late to leave, and let's all pray that the flight crew isn't going to time out (pilots can legally be on duty only so many hours per day). If they do then a new crew has to come out and prep for the flight.

So, after all is said and done, the plane finally leaves two and a half hours late. It arrives two and a half hours late. All the package car delivery drivers have already left to make their deliveries of the packages that were there on time. Some of the volume will be able to be processed and delivered but some of it won't be, especially if the destination is any distance away. There just aren't that many extra drivers standing around doing nothing all day.

That's not an extreme example of a mechanical delay, but it's not the norm either. If it's a 757, 767 or an Airbus the tail swap is usually much quicker but even so you're still looking at an hour to an hour and a half late at the minimum, which still jeopardizes delivery at the destination.

I hope that all made some sense.
 
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