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Info Ashley Caspillo-SakaraGT4/Sakara *Possible Buyer Beware!*

I should have been more specific.

I was referring to the FACTS being:
She sold snakes KNOWING FULL WELL THERE WAS A NECROPSY INDICATING IBD
She LIED to others about selling snakes AFTER receiving the IBD report
She LIED about tests she had done
She LIED about the # of snakes she has /had in her collection, and how many have died.
She LIED to Dr. Jacobson by omitting vital information regarding her snakes
She LIED about temperment, health, quarantine, and other aspects pertaining to her collection.
She sold mite infected snakes to Elizabeth & Rachel

Those were the facts I was referring to.
 
Under "Clinical Signs" in Dr. Jacobson's research paper states:
From the late 1970s and extending into the mid 1980s Burmese Pythons were the most common snake seen with IBD....*SNIP*... Beginning in the early 1990s more cases were diagnosed in boa constrictors in relation to Burmese and other pythons."

Since that was based on his clinical evaluations, I'd consider that fact. The cause was unknown, so that would be speculation, but the science is there to support that more cases of IBD are diagnosed in Boas now than in Pythons.
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i understand, however, that is a small group of researchers evaluating, small numbers of snakes. i think its my nature (and from my field of work) to be precise. i dont like and agree with minimum researchers and research done and words/phrases used like, "it seems", "probably", etc. but, of course, that is getting into matter of perception and personal views on the subject.
i like and prefer researcers to use words like, "we know", "without a doubt", etc. there are so many things out there (medically), aside from ibd, that are probably true and accurate with different diseases and treatments, that research for, uses words like, "we believe", "we think", "seems like", etc, that i tend to leave open.

obviously there are many diseases, treatments, etc in world that are not definite and probably never will be, since research on some of those things have been goin on for decades, but the way my mind works, unless it is proven beyond a doubt and recorded by mulitple researchers that all come to the same findings, everything is open
 
reticguy76 said:
i understand, however, that is a small group of researchers evaluating, small numbers of snakes. i think its my nature (and from my field of work) to be precise. i dont like and agree with minimum researchers and research done and words/phrases used like, "it seems", "probably", etc. but, of course, that is getting into matter of perception and personal views on the subject.
i like and prefer researcers to use words like, "we know", "without a doubt", etc. there are so many things out there (medically), aside from ibd, that are probably true and accurate with different diseases and treatments, that research for, uses words like, "we believe", "we think", "seems like", etc, that i tend to leave open.

obviously there are many diseases, treatments, etc in world that are not definite and probably never will be, since research on some of those things have been goin on for decades, but the way my mind works, unless it is proven beyond a doubt and recorded by mulitple researchers that all come to the same findings, everything is open
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And it is also my own nature to be precise also. I am a laboratory animal technician. It is the same thing you do, only I work in a research setting. It is in my nature to know how diseases work and how diseases manifest themselves in animals, but first and foremost, I know RESEARCH.

The paper we have to go on was written based on experiences with the virus. Those experiences are fact. Do not forget that Dr. Jacobson has MANY other vets forward their cases to him! Is that not considered a collective of fact to you?

All this talk of how we percieve things is irrelevent to this thread, though. I hope you understand the point I'm trying to make. "Fact" is a strong word for something studied so little, but you have to take into account that Dr. Jacobson's paper is a collective of possibly hundreds or thousands of different cases presented to him. This is how the disease is currently known to manifest itself.
 
i would like to say, though, this thread has been very enlightening to say the least. i agree with alot of what has been said in this thread, that being said, im just a person that prefers defintive answers or the most definitive answers we can get (with confidence) by mulitple researchers coming to the same conclusion beyond a doubt.

am i wrong or right ? neither, just my way of thinking.
are other people wrong or right for not thinking/being that way ? no, just other ways of thinking

to sum up, i belive ibd is real, bad, and can infect mulitple snakes in same general area.

is it spread through contact, i belive so, but nothing is fact (yet)
do pythons die quicker than boas once infected, i believe they do, but again, nothing is fact
do pythons die of different symptoms than boas, i believe so, but yet again, nothing is fact

until these and other questions are answered beyond a doubt and fully proven, all we can do as individuals is go with what our own thoughts and beliefs and instincts
 
reticguy76 said:
i would like to say, though, this thread has been very enlightening to say the least. i agree with alot of what has been said in this thread, that being said, im just a person that prefers defintive answers or the most definitive answers we can get (with confidence) by mulitple researchers coming to the same conclusion beyond a doubt.

am i wrong or right ? neither, just my way of thinking.
are other people wrong or right for not thinking/being that way ? no, just other ways of thinking

to sum up, i belive ibd is real, bad, and can infect mulitple snakes in same general area.

is it spread through contact, i belive so, but nothing is fact (yet)
do pythons die quicker than boas once infected, i believe they do, but again, nothing is fact
do pythons die of different symptoms than boas, i believe so, but yet again, nothing is fact

until these and other questions are answered beyond a doubt and fully proven, all we can do as individuals is go with what our own thoughts and beliefs and instincts
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This isn't really the time or place to be introspective any more. You've listed your own speculations this multiple times on the thread which is can be counterproductive, even harmful. You might lead someone to think, "If someone in the animal health field is doubting this paper is fact, then perhaps he is right!".

This paper is what we have to go on, and this is what we will have to use until we find something more tangent about this disease!
 
sally-dog said:
This isn't really the time or place to be introspective any more. You've listed your own speculations on this multiple times on the thread which can be counterproductive, even harmful. You might lead someone to think, "If someone in the animal health field is doubting this paper is fact, then perhaps he is right!".

This paper is what we have to go on, and this is what we will have to use until we find something more tangent about this disease!
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WOW my GRAMMER AND SPELLING! :rofl:
I NEED to correct this, if ya don't mind! :rofl:
 
Unfortunately Dr. Jacobson is one of the only people I'm aware of that is studying this and other reptile related diseases. The funding and interest just simply aren't there.
 
i think dr. jacobson has some proven factual data and is doing great research. however, all in all, its not enough, for me, to come to a pure, unquestionable (in my mind) conclusion.

again, thats me
 
that is in large part, my point. ibd research is nothing like cancer research (for instance). you have a small group of researchers, led by a head researcher trying to gather research and data on very limited funds and information. its not a fault, it is what it is.

i think he has done, and is continuing to to do, fantastic research on what he has available.

but in my mind, its a few researchers stating what they have found in a small group of subjects. cancer researchers (for example) are thousands of researchers, with proper (or at least, close to proper) funding and time
 
so, "moving on", what does that mean exactly ?? what more is actually needed to conclude this thread??

is the last piece of this puzzle, wanting an answer as to how that burm of hers died?

just seems everybody has expressed and even proven their points in this thread
 
reticguy76 said:
so, "moving on", what does that mean exactly ?? what more is actually needed to conclude this thread??

is the last piece of this puzzle, wanting an answer as to how that burm of hers died?

just seems everybody has expressed and even proven their points in this thread
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By moving on, I think she meant that this shouldn't be about the research and just about Ashley.
 
reticguy76 said:
that is in large part, my point. ibd research is nothing like cancer research (for instance). you have a small group of researchers, led by a head researcher trying to gather research and data on very limited funds and information. its not a fault, it is what it is.

i think he has done, and is continuing to to do, fantastic research on what he has available.

but in my mind, its a few researchers stating what they have found in a small group of subjects. cancer researchers (for example) are thousands of researchers, with proper (or at least, close to proper) funding and time
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WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THE RESEARCH BEHIND THIS DISEASE.
You're derailing the thread further. Please stop. (Now I understand why people reacted the way they did when I or others did it in the past! :yesnod:)

We were talking about Ashley, what she needs to do to correct this situation based on facts that are relevent to this situation. We understand by now that YOU doubt the paper!
 
i havent actually brought up the research paper and research behind ibd, i have simply elaborated my point on it, once it had been brought up.

now, i agree, back on the topic

i want to ask a question however, what is it that everybody in this thread wants ashley to do ??

admit she is wrong and has done wrong?
sell and/or euthanize her collection and cease selling any further?
answer the longing question about her burm (cant remember the name right now)?

what is it that she needs to do or say, that would, in esscence, bring this thread to a hault and satisfy everybody ??
 
And to further clarify we need:

Full necropsies on all the snakes that died
AND
For her to post the results of any testing she's done, but she flat out lied to Dr. Jacobson about her situation.

She has volunteered none of this information since the inception of the thread.
Instead, she is playing around on other forums like none of this has ever happened, and that she does not have any mistakes to correct.
 
reticguy76 said:
i havent actually brought up the research paper and research behind ibd, i have simply elaborated my point on it, once it had been brought up.

now, i agree, back on the topic

i want to ask a question however, what is it that everybody in this thread wants ashley to do ??

admit she is wrong and has done wrong?sell and/or euthanize her collection and cease selling any further?answer the longing question about her burm (cant remember the name right now)?

what is it that she needs to do or say, that would, in esscence, bring this thread to a hault and satisfy everybody ??
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This, and if you have been keeping up, we need the FULL necropsy reports on ALL dead snakes. "Phoenix" is a dead snake we found on her iHerp page that she had never mentioned before when listing dead animals. We have yet to know when/why he died.

Most of us, at this point believe she is a liability to the hobby.

This will never go away, or truly come to a halt. This is the BOI, and threads are ressurrected with some frequency. She cannot undo this. She needs to stop, and get out of the hobby. Period.
 
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