Just Some Eye-Candy from HARD CANDY...

[Matt2979]

I agree with much of what you posted; however, in my case, I brought in a completely different male (Nick's) to avoid these dangers, this is the only reason I did an Albino x Albino pairing. Needless to say, I was not impressed with the results although it did net me a Paradox (even though it didn't survive, I can say I produced one).

I've always heard not to breed albino x albino when dealing with boas because of the genetic faults in the albino gene. Because of that, I felt it safe to breed visual x het, and even safer with het x het.

It was just recently brought to my attention that breeding het x het can still produce these deformities because, as Harald mentioned about the excessive inbreeding when these boas were first brought in, some of these "bad traits" are in the bloodlines, not just the visual morph.

I'm just wondering if the same could be true in some BP genes and maybe one of your albino parents carried this?? I'm not suggesting that you try it again with alternate parents, as you might produce the same horrible results, but it does make you wonder.

A buddy of mine that's been breeding BP's for several years was telling me about someone that he knows producing snows. He now produces a lot of snows by breeding 2 of them together, which would be the same as albino x albino--just with the axanthic gene mixed in--and he's had no problems. Of course, that brings us back to, what things happen in breeder's snake rooms that they do NOT speak of???

I certainly appreciate your honesty in what happened to your pairing. As Nick mentioned earlier, it sure would be nice if everyone was so honest as to how some projects turn out for the worst!

 

[deborahbroadus]

Pics or it didn't happen

Yeah...here ya go:

and one of my clutch of more HIGH CONTRAST Albinos..see, I can use the word High Contrast correctly..

 

[Focal]

Wow! That would have been a beautiful paradox, I'm sorry. THAT'S a high contrast

 

[deborahbroadus]

Wow! That would have been a beautiful paradox, I'm sorry. THAT'S a high contrast

Thank you. I regretted the loss of all those beauties. They weren't of the High-Contrast clutch as they were from my "blushed" beauty and a friend's Albino...but they were gorgeous nevertheless.

Yeah, I netted out quite a few of the High Contrasts...they were gorgeous.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

Damn Deborah, that was a neat little paradox. Poor thing.

WOW. I am sooooooooo giving you karma for that post. I think I talked to you about the high contrast topic, that everyone and their mother uses it and 95% of the animals being described are not high contrast at all. The one one you just posted is indeed a TRUE high contrast albino, and a fabulous one at that. Bravo!

 

[deborahbroadus]

Damn Deborah, that was a neat little paradox. Poor thing.

WOW. I am sooooooooo giving you karma for that post. I think I talked to you about the high contrast topic, that everyone and their mother uses it and 95% of the animals being described are not high contrast at all. The one one you just posted is indeed a TRUE high contrast albino, and a fabulous one at that. Bravo!

Yeah, I didn't take a pic from the front, the little thing was so deformed..I couldn't handle it. ...and this is odd, because I have no problem cutting up animals to see what makes them tick

Thanks Jen! Yes, we discussed that, and I think I did mention that I produced a clutch of high-contrast..glad I found a picture, so I could prove it.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

I think it's really hard when it's a little baby, especially one that existed solely because of your hard work, your pairing, your effort and care. You produced that little one, so it's more personal.

I had a baby in my very first clutch of eggs that really yanked my heart strings. I slit all the eggs on day 58, and all of their little heads peeked out within 24 hours. This one was itty bitty, even though its egg was the same size as the other ones and all were over 100 grams each. For whatever reason, it just sat in it's egg and did not absorb its yolk. Its brothers and sisters all absorbed and slithered out after a day or two. By the 2nd day, I cut away the shell a bit to give it more space and encourage it to start absorbing so it can come out. By the 3rd day, he still was just sitting there, and he was getting weak, so I knew there was a problem. I had a lot of random medical supplies from my work as a CNA and just stuff I gathered from my reptile vet to have on hand. So I decided to try to get this yolk into him manually. I carefully took him out of the egg, yolk and all, and cupped him in my hand to keep him balled up. Then I tied off his umbilicus with some tiny cotton thread, waited 5 minutes, then snipped the yolk free. I opened the sack, and it had already started solidifying inside. I drew some up into a syringe, and tube fed the little guy as much of it as I could get that wasn't too solid to use. Then I placed him back into his egg for security, and put him back into the dark, warm, humid incubator so he could digest like he should have. I checked on him all night long, worried as all heck. Around 2am, I noticed his head was limp. I took him out, he tried to hold it back up, then died right there in my hands. Poor guy tried to hold on but didn't make it. I actually cried a bit, I felt so bad. Being a CNA, I dealt with cuts and bruises and first aid and needles and medications on a daily basis. I had no qualms about giving snakes injections or examining their mouths or anything like that. I also dealt with death often, as I worked in Geriatrics, and have dealt with animal loss with rescued cats that delivered stillborn kittens. But this little guy really broke my heart and it was so hard to look at him like that. I brought him into this world, and couldn't save him.

 

[deborahbroadus]

That's exactly how it was.. more personal... thanks for putting it in words.

I think it's really hard when it's a little baby, especially one that existed solely because of your hard work, your pairing, your effort and care. You produced that little one, so it's more personal.

I had a baby in my very first clutch of eggs that really yanked my heart strings. I slit all the eggs on day 58, and all of their little heads peeked out within 24 hours. This one was itty bitty, even though its egg was the same size as the other ones and all were over 100 grams each. For whatever reason, it just sat in it's egg and did not absorb its yolk. Its brothers and sisters all absorbed and slithered out after a day or two. By the 2nd day, I cut away the shell a bit to give it more space and encourage it to start absorbing so it can come out. By the 3rd day, he still was just sitting there, and he was getting weak, so I knew there was a problem. I had a lot of random medical supplies from my work as a CNA and just stuff I gathered from my reptile vet to have on hand. So I decided to try to get this yolk into him manually. I carefully took him out of the egg, yolk and all, and cupped him in my hand to keep him balled up. Then I tied off his umbilicus with some tiny cotton thread, waited 5 minutes, then snipped the yolk free. I opened the sack, and it had already started solidifying inside. I drew some up into a syringe, and tube fed the little guy as much of it as I could get that wasn't too solid to use. Then I placed him back into his egg for security, and put him back into the dark, warm, humid incubator so he could digest like he should have. I checked on him all night long, worried as all heck. Around 2am, I noticed his head was limp. I took him out, he tried to hold it back up, then died right there in my hands. Poor guy tried to hold on but didn't make it. I actually cried a bit, I felt so bad. Being a CNA, I dealt with cuts and bruises and first aid and needles and medications on a daily basis. I had no qualms about giving snakes injections or examining their mouths or anything like that. I also dealt with death often, as I worked in Geriatrics, and have dealt with animal loss with rescued cats that delivered stillborn kittens. But this little guy really broke my heart and it was so hard to look at him like that. I brought him into this world, and couldn't save him.

 

[Matt2979]

It's never fun to see a little one die, or even be born stillborn. Last year I had a Dumeril's Boa that only gave a single stillborn. Was said enough seeing that little guy stretched out on the paper towel. Wasn't my fault that he didn't make it, but it WAS my decision to pair the boas, thus putting the overall responsibility on my shoulders.

What is even harder though, is cutting a clutch and realizing that all 6 eggs (4 cinnies and 2 normals) are ALL dead and trying to figure out why. Then, while you're pacing back and forth in your snake room, scratching your head....seeing the incubator's thermostat probe lying in the floor!! I had knocked it out while rotating clutches 2 nights before I was to cut the cinny x norm clutch. There were still 4 more clutches in in the incubator! All dead. ALL my fault! NOT a very proud moment.

 

[deborahbroadus]

That sucks, Matt! Thanks for sharing, it will encourage us all to double check and be careful.

It's never fun to see a little one die, or even be born stillborn. Last year I had a Dumeril's Boa that only gave a single stillborn. Was said enough seeing that little guy stretched out on the paper towel. Wasn't my fault that he didn't make it, but it WAS my decision to pair the boas, thus putting the overall responsibility on my shoulders.

What is even harder though, is cutting a clutch and realizing that all 6 eggs (4 cinnies and 2 normals) are ALL dead and trying to figure out why. Then, while you're pacing back and forth in your snake room, scratching your head....seeing the incubator's thermostat probe lying in the floor!! I had knocked it out while rotating clutches 2 nights before I was to cut the cinny x norm clutch. There were still 4 more clutches in in the incubator! All dead. ALL my fault! NOT a very proud moment.

 

[Matt2979]

Well, speaking of being more careful, let me just say that I've done a few things to ensure NO repeat of such an occurrence! I've re-routed the therm's probe so that it can NOT be pulled out, utilized the alarm on my Herpstat Pro (why I though turning it off last year was a good idea... ), and I'm attaching some safeguards that will not allow plugs to be pulled out or knocked loose from the wall outlet.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Well, speaking of being more careful, let me just say that I've done a few things to ensure NO repeat of such an occurrence! I've re-routed the therm's probe so that it can NOT be pulled out, utilized the alarm on my Herpstat Pro (why I though turning it off last year was a good idea... ), and I'm attaching some safeguards that will not allow plugs to be pulled out or knocked loose from the wall outlet.

You sound like someone I want on MY team for sharing ideas. The good, the bad and the ugly.

I use an Avey incubator, so am pretty much safe, but the probes are an extra security measure.

 

[Matt2979]

You sound like someone I want on MY team for sharing ideas. The good, the bad and the ugly.

I use an Avey incubator, so am pretty much safe, but the probes are an extra security measure.

Hey, if I'm on your team, does that mean that I can come over and camp out in your snake room?? I'll bring a roll of paper towels and a spray bottle of chlorahexidine to clean up my drool!!!!

 

[deborahbroadus]

Hey, if I'm on your team, does that mean that I can come over and camp out in your snake room?? I'll bring a roll of paper towels and a spray bottle of chlorahexidine to clean up my drool!!!!

You would not only be cleaning up drool. Ask my kids...EVERYONE gets drafted to work if they stay more than an hour.

 

[Pink Lady Exotics]

That cracks me up. I swear, only herpers think this way. My first thought when Anthony and I discussed me coming down to Iowa to check out his collection, was spending the day helping him clean tubs, fill waters, set up babies, etc. Everyone is always happy to go work in someone else's snake room.

 

[Matt2979]

That cracks me up. I swear, only herpers think this way. My first thought when Anthony and I discussed me coming down to Iowa to check out his collection, was spending the day helping him clean tubs, fill waters, set up babies, etc. Everyone is always happy to go work in someone else's snake room.

Especially a NICE one! ....with pieds, and albinos, and lessers, oh my!

 

[deborahbroadus]

That cracks me up. I swear, only herpers think this way. My first thought when Anthony and I discussed me coming down to Iowa to check out his collection, was spending the day helping him clean tubs, fill waters, set up babies, etc. Everyone is always happy to go work in someone else's snake room.

That's true! Everyone else's snakes look different from my own. I have seen mine so they are "boring." Seeing someone else's the minor differences, behaviors..how they keep them is invigorating. (I am just a natural procrastinator).

 

[Boostedneon04]

loving them

 

[deborahbroadus]

loving them

Thank you.