Bad Guy Adam Wysocki - No response

[TheVipersHouse]

Jamie... Sweetheart... You talk like that round me or some of my boys; you would be hospitalized with the quickness!! Watch your mouth smart_____!!! So you know; K!! Continue the support for a thief; super honorable... Racist trashtalker who need's an ___ kickin'!!

WOW !!! what a blatant threat .. and no long term suspension or ban from the site for it ?

that is considered a terroristic threat and according to any court ,you can be arrested and serve time for it .. hopefully regardless of what brought it on , its delt with by some form of punishment from this site ..

doesn't say alot for this site if its left undelt with ..
and would definitely not look good to new people finding this site for the first time ..

 

[jglass38]

I agree, David and Andrew should hire a very expensive lawyer, sue Wysocki's left nut off and then make Adam pay their legal fees, plus any interest owed on the debt. Hopefully that lawyer will get his wages garnered and hire a forensic accountant to pick apart NatPet - how much they took in and where the money went.

...and they aren't "supposedly" owed any money. On at least three forums, Wysocki has acknowledged owing the debt.

As far as settling things like adults do - honest adults pay their debts. Honest adults don't screw people out of thousands of dollars and then stick their heads up their asses, and lastly, honest adults don't have other people pop up on forums defending their indefensible actions.

I also agree that this is a simple case: a case in which someone royally screwed two people out of something they were owed. Yep, a simple case of some jack-ass scamming people half a world away out of thousands of dollars.

And sometimes, honest adults get into financial difficulties. I lost my job 7 months ago. Some things had to go unpaid so I could afford to eat. Do you see my creditors flocking to Internet message boards to bad mouth me because I got behind on my bills. Ever stop to think that Adam got in the same situation? Bunch of pompous, ignorant individuals to only see one side of things.

 

[DGreen]

What you all fail to realize is that this isn't about stolen snakes, or sick snakes or anything else. It is about a business debt. That is it. Obviously he doesn't have the money to pay it or he would. So let the wronged parties try to settle this legally. Is this really that hard to comprehend for some of you?

It's hard to comprehend because I pay my debts as many people do.

 

[jglass38]

It's hard to comprehend because I pay my debts as many people do.

See my previous post. If you still can't comprehend then you are a lost cause and nothing said will get through to you.

 

[Skiploder]

What you all fail to realize is that this isn't about stolen snakes, or sick snakes or anything else. It is about THEFT. That is it. Obviously he doesn't have the money to pay it or he would. So let the wronged parties try to settle this legally. Is this really that hard to comprehend for some of you?

Fixed it for you.

It's theft.

When you take someone's money and don't give them what they are owed, you have stolen that money. Business debt? Getting dizzy from the spin yet?

If you'd take a few seconds to stop polishing Adam's turds and look down at your hands, you'd realize they are covered in shit.

 

[DGreen]

I understand what you are trying to say; however, it seems he sold off plenty of snakes after the fact and didn't even attempt to pay his debt...please correct me if I'm wrong.

No reason to continue here, you can't talk people into having integrity. Maybe we should just coddle him so he can feel better about himself.

 

[jglass38]

Fixed it for you.

It's theft.

When you take someone's money and don't give them what they are owed, you have stolen that money. Business debt? Getting dizzy from the spin yet?

If you'd take a few seconds to stop polishing Adam's turds and look down at your hands, you'd realize they are covered in shit.

BS and you know it. From what I can gather, he spent an inordinate amount of time trying to get those snakes shipped out. It didn't happen for some reason. That isn't theft. You can put it in bold, huge letters all you want and it won't change the facts.

 

[deborahbroadus]

And sometimes, honest adults get into financial difficulties. I lost my job 7 months ago. Some things had to go unpaid so I could afford to eat. Do you see my creditors flocking to Internet message boards to bad mouth me because I got behind on my bills. Ever stop to think that Adam got in the same situation? Bunch of pompous, ignorant individuals to only see one side of things.

and...your creditors had an effective way to deal with their situation. If it was a credit card company, your ability to use the card was suspended and your credit rating suffered. If it was a car company, and the bill wasn't paid within a certain time frame, the car was repo'ed and you were back to "hoofing" it.... and so on and so forth.. The bottom line is most of your creditors had the ability cut off all your services if you didn't pay.

You seem to be implying that we should act powerless, if we don't have money to pay for a lawyer? You are saying that the people that suffered losses should just shut up and hire a lawyer rather than explore every avenue at their disposal?

the trouble with your suggestions are that, it would be "business as usual" if Adam ever decided to enter the game again. In fact, I do hope that this thread stays alive and no one else has any business transactions with him (because last information that was received is: He's still attending/vending at shows.

 

[jglass38]

I understand what you are trying to say; however, it seems he sold off plenty of snakes after the fact and didn't even attempt to pay his debt...please correct me if I'm wrong.

No reason to continue here, you can't talk people into having integrity. Maybe we should just coddle him so he can feel better about himself.

I don't know what he has or hasn't sold. But I would guess any money he made went to feed his wife and kids. I would do the exact same thing. My family comes first before a business or personal debt.

 

[jglass38]

and...your creditors had an effective way to deal with their situation. If it was a credit card company, your ability to use the card was suspended and your credit rating suffered. If it was a car company, and the bill wasn't paid within a certain time frame, the car was repo'ed and you were back to "hoofing" it.... and so on and so forth.. The bottom line is most of your creditors had the ability cut off all your services if you didn't pay.

You seem to be implying that we should act powerless, if we don't have money to pay for a lawyer? You are saying that the people that suffered losses should just shut up and hire a lawyer rather than explore every avenue at their disposal?

the trouble with your suggestions are that, it would be "business as usual" if Adam ever decided to enter the game again. In fact, I do hope that this thread stays alive and no one else has any business transactions with him (because last information that was received is: He's still attending/vending at shows.

This avenue is CLOSED, Deborah.

Big letters: ADAM IS NO LONGER BREEDING BALL PYTHONS.

So now, yes, the only recourse for the supposedly wronged parties (and we still only have one side of the story for the most part) is to hire a lawyer. That is all.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I don't know what he has or hasn't sold. But I would guess any money he made went to feed his wife and kids. I would do the exact same thing. My family comes first before a business or personal debt.

GAHHH! You make it sound as if he was the verge of being out in the STREET!!

He can get a regular job..you know what those are? If he had one, someone could GARNISH his wages then he wouldn't have to worry about paying it back!

 

[jglass38]

GAHHH! You make it sound as if he was the verge of being out in the STREET!!

He can get a regular job..you know what those are? If he had one, someone could GARNISH his wages then he wouldn't have to worry about paying it back!

Maybe that is the case. Ever think of that?

Boy, you make it sound so easy. Just get a job. You have zero clue, Deborah. That statement just proves it once again. Try telling that to all of the people that are out of work. Turn on the news and you'll see the economic times we are living in.

 

[deborahbroadus]

This avenue is CLOSED, Deborah.

Big letters: ADAM IS NO LONGER BREEDING BALL PYTHONS.

So now, yes, the only recourse for the supposedly wronged parties (and we still only have one side of the story for the most part) is to hire a lawyer. That is all.

Big letters: Then no matter how you want to spin it, ADAM IS A THIEF.

HE'S NO LONGER BREEDING, BUT HE STILL HAS AN UNPAID DEBT THAT HE LIED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF AND STRUNG OUT THE VICTIMS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Wow..it does help to put it in big letters!

 

[Skiploder]

And sometimes, honest adults get into financial difficulties. I lost my job 7 months ago. Some things had to go unpaid so I could afford to eat. Do you see my creditors flocking to Internet message boards to bad mouth me because I got behind on my bills. Ever stop to think that Adam got in the same situation? Bunch of pompous, ignorant individuals to only see one side of things.

Jamie:

In all seriousness you bring up an excellent point.

You losing your job and having an issue with creditors is not the same as what Adam has done to David and Andrew.

You signed credit agreements on loans and other debts in which the companies you owed money agreed to terms in which you paid them back in installments over time and with interest. Those signed agreements also covered what would happen if you were unable to pay back those debts.

When David and Andrew bought those snakes from Adam, the agreement was totally different. They gave Adam that money for snakes and did not in any way agree to loan him that money to spend on other things, or to wait for three years on the delivery of their animals and not receive anything in return.

Two totally different scenarios which aren't even worth comparing, and frankly doesn't do the situation you were in any justice. You're not a thief Jamie, any inability you had in paying your bills was a potential understood eventuality in your agreement with your creditors.

The money in the David/Andrew/Adam issue has, for all intents and purposes, been stolen. That makes Adam a thief.

 

[jglass38]

Big letters: Then no matter how you want to spin it, ADAM IS A THIEF.

HE'S NO LONGER BREEDING, BUT HE STILL HAS AN UNPAID DEBT THAT HE LIED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF AND STRUNG OUT THE VICTIMS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Wow..it does help to put it in big letters!

I am done responding to you. It is like beating my head against a very ignorant cement wall.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Maybe that is the case. Ever think of that?

Boy, you make it sound so easy. Just get a job. You have zero clue, Deborah. That statement just proves it once again. Try telling that to all of the people that are out of work. Turn on the news and you'll see the economic times we are living in.

Do you have proof that he's about to be on the street? If he is, as his friend, offer him a place to stay. Let him work for you so he can pay his debts. He has enough friends (as evidenced in this thread) that he shouldn't be in that position, No?

All the people on hard times, usually don't have a family/friends to turn to. Obviously, this is not the case with your friend Adam.

 

[Paige n' James]

I would agree that above all else my family comes first BUT we are talking about a$7000+++ debt not a few hundred. At some point he could have at least given a crap and paid a $100 here or there or at least made an honest effort!!! Could you just stop and imagine how you would feel??? They got $0!!!!!! And gave him their $7000++. How the freak would that make you feel?????

 

[jglass38]

Jamie:

In all seriousness you bring up an excellent point.

You losing your job and having an issue with creditors is not the same as what Adam has done to David and Andrew.

You signed credit agreements on loans and other debts in which the companies you owed money agreed to terms in which you paid them back in installments over time and with interest. Those signed agreements also covered what would happen if you were unable to pay back those debts.

When David and Andrew bought those snakes from Adam, the agreement was totally different. They gave Adam that money for snakes and did not in any way agree to loan him that money to spend on other things, or to wait for three years on the delivery of their animals and not receive anything in return.

Two totally different scenarios which aren't even worth comparing, and frankly doesn't do the situation you were in any justice. You're not a thief Jamie, any inability you had in paying your bills was a potential understood eventuality in your agreement with your creditors.

The money in the David/Andrew/Adam issue has, for all intents and purposes, been stolen. That makes Adam a thief.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I'm not going to convince you of anything and you are not going to sway me. As I said way back, the supposed wronged people here should get attorneys. There is no other recourse at this point.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I am done responding to you. It is like beating my head against a very ignorant cement wall.

all that name calling..you are a very smart man.

 

[jglass38]

I would agree that above all else my family comes first BUT we are talking about a$7000+++ debt not a few hundred. At some point he could have at least given a crap and paid a $100 here or there or at least made an honest effort!!! Could you just stop and imagine how you would feel??? They got $0!!!!!! And gave him their $7000++. How the freak would that make you feel?????

Things are a little more complex than that. This went on for a long time. The buyers were on board with him continuing to try to get permits to ship the snakes (as the story seems to read). It isn't like this entire fiasco was in a span of a couple months. If what they say is true, then they have a legal recourse here. They should use it.