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Bad Guy I have a problems with Justin

Gregg, with all due respect... the snakes are only worth what the market says they are worth. The "efficiency" of a free market (even a market for snakes) keeps the prices as low as possible and the snakes only worth what the market says they are worth.

I kind of like watching this part.

This stuff is small potatoes... but cooperating to keep prices high is collusion (not that you ever did that with him) and that is illegal.
 
Gregg, with all due respect... the snakes are only worth what the market says they are worth. The "efficiency" of a free market (even a market for snakes) keeps the prices as low as possible and the snakes only worth what the market says they are worth.

I kind of like watching this part.

This stuff is small potatoes... but cooperating to keep prices high is collusion (not that you ever did that with him) and that is illegal.

Yes, I do understand that price fixing is illegal, however there is a "going market price" that is fair and when you cut that going price in half knowing that you are screwing people in the process, it does show what it is you are up to and how you operate...

I mean if this following quote was true (from a recent BOI thread where he made himself out to be a fool) why else would he lower his prices so dramatically???

Justin Mitcham said:
Seems you have this ideal that the BOI actually has some power over my sales. Well I'll assure you that it doesn't have much..and even if it did I wont even notice..in fact it might help a bit "ironically" why..because sales are always through the roof.I don't even advertise Lucille...certainly not here and when I do it's on a proper site like Kingsnake which even today is rarely( nothing to do with them, just usually get too many emails to even respond to) I cant think of the last time I had an ad up for more than 48hrs..
BUT I guess I should start posting more.. let people see what I have to offer.

Most of my sales are international anyways because they tend to take quite a bit.I like getting large sums and meeting professionals from around the globe like my visit to Hong Kong recently help promoting the worlds newest largest reptile show.
 
I've read a lot of thing's on the BOI and some of it has come close to making me die from laughter but a bunch of good ole herp enthusiast running amuck in a whore house in Hong Kong brought me to my knee's. You know deep inside you owe this man his money back so do the right thing or I can guarantee you it will haunt you for many day's to come and then some. Jerry I hope in the end you receive what's your's and still have enough faith to continue your investing in the reptile market's. Robert
 
re post #102, it is like a drowning person clawing and trying fight their way to the surface, with nothing to stand on or grab hold of. Justin is sinking fast...

Justin, everyone here on this forum makes you sick? Take a pill! Maybe you were off your meds when you posted that garbage?
 
How dare you tarnish Greggs name!

Kelli hit the nail on the head with her posts... I have ATTEMPTED to do a deal with you in the past and lost out on $400.... You seriously need to refund this guys money, plain and simple.
 
re: post 142 --- honestly Gregg I am not on Justin's side. I think he is a jerk.

BUT - to me, and what I was alluding to was/ is that the Hognose snakes were never "worth" the extra money as evidenced by how painlessly and quickly Justin dropped the prices.
 
BUT - to me, and what I was alluding to was/ is that the Hognose snakes were never "worth" the extra money as evidenced by how painlessly and quickly Justin dropped the prices.

I don't agree with this statement, The way justin has done this it seems to me he is trying to hurt the hog market and raise any $ he may need for potential problems that may come up from all this .Just because a breeder dumps his animals at allow prices does not mean there not worth the market norm.i can flood the market with animals at 1/10th what the market has them and it wont hurt me at all , does not mean i should.
 
i have never understood everybody talkin about "market value" market value is whatever the seller and buyer come up with as a sell price for particular good or service.

i have seen items at walmart that are tons and tons cheaper than the same exace thing (brand name and everything) for significant dollars cheaper. it is free market, whatever the buyer and seller agree on and the purchase is made, is market value.

another quick example: i am veterinary medicine. there are many hospitals that open new doors and do research and see what other hospitals in that area are offering product and services for and go waaaayyy lower than the other existing hospitals, and drive business to them and away from other hospitals. its free market, its getting the best bang for your buck. everybody, all of us, everybody does it. its human nature and what this countrys economy is based on.

yet another example, i got my mac computer for 800 bucks off what the mac store sells them for, are they hurting "market value", no it means others may have to adjust their prices to compete.
 
This is going WAY off track here.. Justin isn't happy just screwing over a couple people, now he wants to screw over all of us. Enough with the market, he is PURPOSELY trying to hurt it, start a new thread for that.

I can't ever do ANY sort of buisness with Justin ever again knowing how he's treated other people. Justin, pay the man back and lose my number..
 
re: post 142 --- honestly Gregg I am not on Justin's side. I think he is a jerk.

BUT - to me, and what I was alluding to was/ is that the Hognose snakes were never "worth" the extra money as evidenced by how painlessly and quickly Justin dropped the prices.

I would expect to hear you say something like that..... Wasn't it just a few years ago that you advertised chondro hatchlings at $25 on KS when you hadn't even produced any yet?
 
i have never understood everybody talkin about "market value" market value is whatever the seller and buyer come up with as a sell price for particular good or service.

Do not take this as an insult but you obviously are not a breeder on any type of mentionable scale if you even breed at all... This might be why you can not understand market value or why people may be pissed about undercutting like Justin is doing... How would you like it if you bought a het for whatever morph from this guy last week and this week he has the visual of that morph up for the same price???

Anyway the funny thing about the add is that some of the snakes for sale on there do not even exist in his collection...

Seriously, if I had an albino conda for sale or some snows, those would be the snakes I pictured in the ad... I would not be posting 2 pictures of my "extreme red albinos" that are actually high oranges at best...
 
Now to get back on track...

Jerry and Andrew,
You guys can go to the Attorney General's Office... This is a felony case... You have all the proof you need and him even admitting here that he refuses to send you your animals and money...

Here is a link to get you started if you need to go that route...

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/
 
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Now to get back on track...

Jerry and Andrew,
You guys can go to the Attorney General's Office... This is a felony case... You have all the proof you need and him even admitting here that he refuses to send you your animals and money...

Here is a link to get you started if you need to go that route...

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/

thank you, i'll look into filing a report now.
 
Allrighty, enough is enough.

Enough whining about how, " sniff...sniff..big bad evil Justin is wrecking all of our plans to make millions and millions with our overpriced hog morphs! We are all going to be on skid row now!! Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

LOL!!! How immature and petty. Only in America.

Seriously, and I say all of that with a laugh not only towards others but also, myself, please consider a few things. Snakes are worth whatever some is willing to pay for. Crying about " undercutting " is not doing anything positive in this situation, nor is it keeping the focus on track of the real issue. If people are that ticked off about their definition of " market value " not being followed by others, whomever they may be, maybe they need to ask themselves why they really keep the animals to begin with. Making money breeding snakes is awesome, no doubt about that, but the constant whining over someone else asking a cheaper price only shows immaturity and not professionalism. That is why you don't see the REAL big breeders, who actually are the leaders in this industry, post such thoughts on these forums. It is called being professional. Maybe follow the example. After all, money in the bank from a snake sale is just that, money in the bank. There are worse things in life to get upset over, rather than selling a hog for $500, when you wished you could have gotten $1000. You still were able to sell a hog for $500. That is money in the bank you did not have before the sale.

The world has a ton of unfortunate circumstances going on right now. Time to grow up.

Then, get the thread back on track. :thumbsup:
 
karma's a bitch

Several years ago I posted here how Justin was a liar and unethical. Though most responded in favor of Justin I stand by my words. Justin is the lowest form of slime on the planet. Glad to see people are seeing what I saw years ago. Jerry I hope you get your money back and people avoid doing any business with Justin. A snake is only worth what someone is willing to pay. So if no one wants this slimeballs snakes they are worthless... just like their owner. How ironic.. a snake selling snakes. Ron Radloff
 
Several years ago I posted here how Justin was a liar and unethical. Though most responded in favor of Justin I stand by my words. Justin is the lowest form of slime on the planet. Glad to see people are seeing what I saw years ago. Jerry I hope you get your money back and people avoid doing any business with Justin. A snake is only worth what someone is willing to pay. So if no one wants this slimeballs snakes they are worthless... just like their owner. How ironic.. a snake selling snakes. Ron Radloff

Don't you even compare Justin to a snake! :NoNo: You have offended my sand boas and I feel you own them a apology. :yesnod: :rofl:
 
yes we need to get back on track. no im not a "big time breeder", i have bred and i have bought stuff that i saw weeks or even days later for much cheaper. but you know what, its free market and buyer beware environment.

that being said, he does seem to have some unethical values about him and his practices. hopefully all gets resolved at some point
 
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