Bad Guy Dean Stemple Strictly Exotics BAD GUY!

[ss10gotanks]

call the police?

 

[Gecko_Den]

call the police?

They will just say it's a civil matter. As the Wise thread and the TSE scam of years past has shown, no matter how much "proof" you show the police/state, nothing actually gets done to bring anyone to justice...

 

[DAND]

They will just say it's a civil matter. As the Wise thread and the TSE scam of years past has shown, no matter how much "proof" you show the police/state, nothing actually gets done to bring anyone to justice...

Actually that is incorrect. The difficulties with the wise's and TSE scams is the multi-jurisdictions and multiple victims (and the lack of all of their participation) whereas this is only the two parties.

I had someone screw me over years ago and I called the police and I did get my money back (it was written into their probation stipulations). You'd have to call your local police and file a complaint and they would then have to forward it to the local police where the other party resides.

I'd suggest going to your local police station and filing a complaint and start the ball rolling because if he hasn't even attempted to be a man and at least try and make this right by now I certainly don't see him doing so without some sort of motivation behind him. And if that motivation has to be his cellmate Bubba then so be it.

 

[Snake4me2]

Hahahahahaha His cellmate Bubba, I love it. Hes here all weeks folks.

 

[mxracer4life]

I have never purchased from Dean either but never seen this coming. Surely there is a good explanation for this. I am hoping this ends well for both the OP and Dean.

 

[brd7666]

Dean did not just cross over to the dark side. I believe he's been there the whole time, playing a role similar to Jeffery Wise. He was caught in an Ebay scam, where is scammed people out of thousands of dollars. Here are links and quotes to articles on the internet.

http://articles.sfgate.com/1998-12-22/business/17739559_1_ebay-auction-site-bidders-and-sellers

This article was written on December 22, 1998.
In a more serious case, an Oklahoma City man pocketed at least $30,000 and up to $100,000 for baseball cards he didn't deliver, according to postal authorities.

Sonny Dean Stemple, 27, allegedly bilked eBay customers by enticing them into sending money orders for auction items he claimed he had but never delivered. There is no warrant or indictment yet for Stemple, who is missing.

Even though the transactions were made over the Internet, they are being investigated as mail fraud, said postal inspector Linda Kirksey of Fort Worth, Texas. "The people who bid on the products sent their money through the postal mail," she explained.

Officials at eBay have refused to reimburse buyers who were duped by Stemple. Handler said the company policy is to urge those who believe they've been bilked to report problems to eBay and to local law enforcement authorities.

"We ask law enforcement authorities to contact us, so we can make sure we give them all the information we have about this bad actor," Handler said.

These incidents illustrate the pitfalls of performing anonymous transactions on the wild and wooly Internet.

"The lines are blurred," said List, the Washington-area user. "You never know who you're dealing with."

The embarrassment over the "Today Show" jacket and the alleged fraud by Stemple came at the same time eBay was experiencing a series of outages that angered users. Yet in many ways, eBay is a lot like President Clinton. The worse things get, the higher its stock rises.

Yesterday, eBay's shares rocketed to another new high, climbing $44.13 to $296.38. Its nearly $12 billion market value is more than that of consumer-products giant Clorox and nearly triple that of Apple Computer.

One reason is that, whatever its problems, eBay remains the hottest auction site, with traffic that far outpaces competitors. So despite their complaints, users keep coming back.

The address that Chris listed in this thread is the address he sent the snakes to. It looks like it's Dean's parents house.

Dean Stemple
2700 Popar Ln.
Norman OK. 73072

Dean's name is- Sonny Dean Stemple

Here are some screen shots of who lives at Dean's address, and you will also see a couple of those people's relatives names. In the relative's list, you will see Dean's name, also known as Sonny.

Here are more complaints about Dean on the internet.

http://www.traderlist.com/DeanStemple-Bargainresale.html

Another read.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CGN/is_1998_Dec_15/ai_53410697/

eBAY IN TROUBLE OVER DOWNTIME, FRAUDComputergram International, Dec 15, 1998

San Jose, California-based internet auction house eBay Inc has had more than its share of negative press lately. First came a system crash on Wednesday December 9. Next, customers who complained about eBay's poor management on the site's customer support board found themselves suspended from eBay altogether.

A lawyer for the company told Wired News that the support board is not a forum for comment on eBay's business or management decisions, and that inappropriate messages will be deleted and the posters suspended. Finally, eBay has reportedly suspended a user who is under investigation for up to $100,000 worth of fraud. The Oklahoma regional postal inspector's office is investigating eBay user Sonny Stemple for accepting money orders for auction items he did not deliver. The company has apparently refused to refund money to customers who fell for the con, making Newsweek wonder whether this stock market darling, one of the fastest growing of all ecommerce sites (CI No 3,526), is even capable of protecting its users from this type of fraud. EBay CEO Meg Whitman told the magazine that while the company sympathizes with the victims, they need to take up the issue with local law enforcement.

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/1998/12/16797

EBay Suspends Fraud SuspectReuters 12.14.98
Online auction company eBay, which sells everything from Elvis memorabilia to Beanie Babies on the Internet, has suspended a user who is under investigation for cheating customers out of as much as US$100,000, according to a report in the latest issue of Newsweek.
But the high-flying San Jose, California, company has refused to give refunds to the duped customers, Newsweek reported, suggesting that eBay (EBAY) may be unable to protect its customers from fraud.

The Oklahoma regional postal inspector's office is investigating suspended eBay user Sonny Stemple for allegedly bilking eBay customers out of at least $30,000. Newsweek reported that Stemple got customers to send money orders for auction items he failed to deliver.

"We feel badly for [the victims] but [they] really do need to take it up with local law enforcement," eBay chief Meg Whitman told the magazine.

The online auction house, among the fastest growing online commerce sites, has seen its stock prices skyrocket prices from an initial public offering price of $18 in September to a November high of $234.125. The stock closed Friday at $192.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/1998/12/14/con_man_given_the_boot/

Con man given the boot by eBay
E-swindle tops bad week for online auctioneer

By Tim Richardson • Get more from this author

Posted in Business, 14th December 1998 12:50 GMT

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A man has been barred from eBay, the electronic auction house, for allegedly swindling consumers out of anything between $30,000 and $100,000. Sonny Stemple received cash for items that he never dispatched, according to a report by Newsweek. To make matters worse, eBay has said it won't compensate those who have been ripped off. Instead, it's advising them to pursue their own legal actions against Mr Stemple. Stemple's activities are unlikely to boost the wider public's confidence in buying and selling over the Internet. It's been a bad week for eBay. Last week its software broke down twice causing its site to crash and disrupting thousands of bids

http://www.albumescolar.com.ar/NewsArchives/21/21b/archivo-t722_esen.shtml

This it is a good example. Sonny Stemple, that operated in eBay with the alias of catmuuzic , is being investigated by the Direction of regional Inspection of the Mail of Oklahoma by presumed swindle of the users of eBay of at least 30,000 dollars, although the number of the crime would possibly ascend to 100.000.

Apparently, Stemple knew how to manipulate the game of eBay. In last October it was identified and it begun to buy articles, to make sure therefore the praise the salesmen after each transaction. This gave a reputation him. Soon, it began to place supplies; it arrived a little while in that it had thirty simultaneously. The prices, in the beginning, were a bait: sport cards of Mark McGwire, Nintendo equipment 64 and some articles fashionable. When approximately eighty you postpray of weight like Tracie Kimrey de Dayton, Ohio (Nintendo, $ 137) and Steve Mendez of Brooklyn, New York (packages of Topps of 1985, $ 305) sent the money, were guided by the perfect reputation of catmuuzic. Craso error. After calling during weeks, everything what they obtained was promises. Soon, silence reigned. (Stemple did not answer the telephone messages either that left Newsweek.) The answer of eBay? To suspend to Stemple of the service. There was return of no money. "we felt very badly (by the victims), but, in fact, they must resort to the local laws", says Whitman. Brad Handler, manager of eBay, comment that the company has policies that help to prevent the fraud, among them a service of deposit in guarantee character to protect to the expensive article buyers. This is a small consolation for the swindled parts. But the baseball card collector Richard Keegan continues operating with eBay: to lose 427 dollars into the hands of catmuuzic was his first bad experience in 500 transactions. Its loyalty emphasizes the emotional bows of many users of eBay towards the service. Like Craig Satinsky who, after discovering site, closed the premises of music of which he had been proprietor during 20 years and now dedicates itself to cross the Northeast in a light truck, buying things in flea markets and finishing off them in eBay. "people gain the life with site - Meg exclaims Whitman -. Is a responsibility to maintain the system always perfectly working bulletproof and". The presumed victims of Sonny Stemple would agree.

http://www.silicon.com/technology/n...-the-wall-over-online-auction-fraud-39117343/

5 years ago... eBay has its back to the wall over online auction fraud

NEWS 15.12.98: The suspension of a user from an online auction company for suspected fraud of up to $100,000 has created a clamour for better internet auction security.

Internet auction pioneer, eBay has refused to refund defrauded customers, after user Sonny Stemple allegedly persuaded other users to send money for items he never had.

Users have been complaining for several weeks that phantom buyers known as "shillers" or "shielders" - who create a fake online buyer persona to drive prices up for a seller - were artificially manipulating prices.

Some users have slammed eBay for not performing background checks or asking for credit card details before allowing people to sign up. But the company itself claims it is impossible for it to screen all users and many says many of its customers claim this is in opposition to the spirit of an internet trading service.

Analysts claim it is not just an Internet problem - but a problem with auctions in general. Dave Birch, consultant at Hyperion, said: "Most auction houses will tell you the only way of establishing reputation is by knowing everyone who trades, and not taking bids from individuals. Until there's an established standard for rating your reputability in electronic form, it's going to be a problem."

James Corsellis, managing director of UK-based online trading service Interactive Collector, said he understood eBay's reluctance to take credit details up front, but commented: "Without a standard to establish reputability you need to rely on credit card authorisation."

15.12.03: Five years on eBay's popularity is still acting as a magnet to fraudsters.

Recently the practice of phishing has had its sights set firmly on the auction site. Emails purporting to be from the site solicit user information such as account details, claiming they are needed to reactivate an account or to clean up the database.

However, users who fall for the scam and hand over the account details are often the dupes in fraudulent scams - such as people claiming to sell items they don't really have. And when users cotton on, it's the original victim of the phishing who takes the blame. Similarly they may be used to increase the bidding in a sale they aren't aware of.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...12140030_1_ebay-oracle-corp-database-software

EBAY USER INVESTIGATED

NEW YORK - Online auction company eBay Inc., which sells everything from Elvis memorabilia to Beanie Babies, has suspended a user who is under investigation in cheating customers out of as much as $100,000, Newsweek reports in its latest edition.

But the high-flying San Jose, Calif., company has refused to give refunds to customers, the newsmagazine reports in its Dec. 21 issue, which is on newsstands today. The report suggested this may be an example of eBay's inability to protect its customers from fraud.

The Oklahoma Postal Inspector's Office is investigating suspended eBay user Sonny Stemple on accusations of conning customers out of at least $30,000 by getting them to send money orders for auction items he claimed he had, then never delivered, Newsweek reported.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/eBAY+IN+TROUBLE+OVER+DOWNTIME,+FRAUD.-a053410697

eBAY IN TROUBLE OVER DOWNTIME, FRAUD.

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Now I believe I know why Dean, and the Wise's got along so well. Here is a link to Dean's Good Guy Certification here on Fauna. I don't know how anyone can say he's a good guy. If enough people vote for bad guy, I believe he will lose it. Just to let you know, if you vote for bad guy, and he makes good on this, you can go back, and change your vote.

I don't believe Dean will even come here and comment. He told Utta he didn't have internet, and I think that was another lie. He was going to Rip off Chris from the beginning, and that's all there is to it.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189931

 

[Redstormlax12]

The funny thing is, a few months ago I tried to purchase some mealworms from him. Now this order was no where near the magnitude of this transaction. But after paying him and waiting for weeks the mealworms never arrived. He claimed to have shipped multiple orders, but I never recieved anything.

After this I gave up and just ordered mealies from someone else and told myself not to buy anything from him again.

 

[TheFragginDragon]

HOW??? How in the did we let this puke get by us?? He's been on the net since 1998!!!

Starting today, I'm googling everyone I even consider selling to, buying from, or otherwise supporting

Chris, I am sorry that this happened to you, I hope you're able to recover from this loss quickly.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Oh boy!!

 

[Matt2979]

Wow....just wow... We had a couple of transactions that went smooth as silk and I honestly thought him to be one of the "true good guys". I haven't commented 'til now because I was (really I still am) hoping that he would pop in and straighten this whole mess out. Unfortunately, I'm no longer that naive, and I refuse to turn blue from holding my breath.

Chris, I'm really sorry to hear that you got taken like that. Truly hope that Dean does show up and make it right.

 

[SamanthaJane13]

I'm officially disgusted now.

When his family was hit by the the tornado last year, I prayed for them and the animals he lost. Maybe that pushed the button for him with Fauna?? Gave him the idea to re-coup his losses??

Still...NO EXCUSE, Dean/Sonny/whomever...

I don't know.

I just want to puke.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

I'm officially disgusted now.

When his family was hit by the the tornado last year, I prayed for them and the animals he lost. Maybe that pushed the button for him with Fauna?? Gave him the idea to re-coup his losses??

Still...NO EXCUSE, Dean/Sonny/whomever...

I don't know.

I just want to puke.

Im still in shock with this one Really cant belive that Dean of all people did this I wonder if the Wise's cut him into the profit they were getting???

Maybe thats the reason when people heard the news about what had happened when he lost some of his animals to the tornado, as they offered to help him out he politely declined the offer? Maybe he declined the offer becuase he was already on the way to help himself out??

Not having the internet isn't a valid excuse as I can get online with my 30 dollar phone so Im sure he could use the phone to get online or heck EVEN CALL Chris.
I can understand if something happend and Dean Kept Chris informed as Im sure Chris WOULD HAVE BEEN willing to work with Dean as he has showed But how can one work with someone on something if the other party isn't?

I mean I owe out a little more than 250 to another Fauna Member Do I plan on Paying him YES does the gentleman I owe know that YES do I up and quit communicating with that person NO
In all honesty it makes no sense to to me to try and or actually SCREW people over specially when there helping you out
I mean yes I could take the 250 and not pay the person I owe but what good does that do me?? NONE it makes me look bad and when the gentleman has something else I want I wont be able to get it. Plus Id lose a GOOD FRIEND... It doesnt have any real perks to it when you get over on people yes you may get a few things for free as Dean has done... I really hope that Dean comes around and makes right what he has made wrong and If he doesn't than I only wish that everything around him falls apart starting with his animals one by one or all at once a little harsh to say but...

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Dean,

You're right down there with the Wise's.

I sent your mother-in-law and Reagan's brother and sister a link to show them that you're a criminal and piece of

Reagan's facebook profile http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/reagan.stemple

 

[KLHReptiles]

Wow! We were negotiating a trade deal for his super pastel female last fall, I am SO glad that I didn't go through with it. I probably would've sent my animals/cash first and STILL be waiting for the super

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

Ok I have to say this becuase this is really getting to me the more I think of it... Mostly becuase when I joined I met Dean and it seemed that Dean appeared to be a Stand up guy in the Industry (as Im sure many of us had thought at least Im hoping he comes to and sheds his side of the story on htis but... I dont see that happening)

This here hits a nerve with me becuase I being what some would consider a "newbe" to the reptile world I've spoken to Dean/Sonny several times on several occasions. And well I Looked up to him as he seemed to be knowledgable and easier to communicate with than some other breeders are and He seemed more eager to help people out. Which in all honesty some people aren't willing to do that unless they can benifit from you

Dean I thought you were better than this and the Wise's but as we can see now your simply the same No better than the Wise's at least they tried to salvage there rep your laying speachless on the matter...

If your not even going to try and defend yourself Dean/Sonny or make things right (Which from past incounters and what seems to be the work of you your not more than likely maybe using the Bps to pay back the people you took the money for on the sports cards and then another scam to pay back Chris IDK ) but with this being said Dean

Chris once again Im truly sorry you had to go through this As you I also thought Dean/Sonny to be a Good Guy as well

Although a beliver in Karma I know it takes a while for Karma to come around but maybe the whole house thing was Karma from before with the Ebay Scam??

DEAN STOP HIDING LIKE ( I BELIVE WHAT HE CALLED JEFF WISE WAS A COWARD CORRECT?) TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS ITS NOT TO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR NAME AND BUSINESS but apperantly that doesnt matter does it Dean Wise?????

 

[AbsoluteApril]

HOW??? How in the did we let this puke get by us?? He's been on the net since 1998!!!

Starting today, I'm googling everyone I even consider selling to, buying from, or otherwise supporting

holy smokes, me too! this is crazy!

After the tornado, I offered to auction off some of my own animals to try to raise some funds for them and the animals they lost, Dean said thanks but it was not necessary. I'm sure glad he turned me down now. I was hoping to come on here and find Dean's response that he was going to start making payments and man up about the situation...


good detective work Brian, thank you for posting those links and stories.

 

[snakechaarmer]

Actually that is incorrect. The difficulties with the wise's and TSE scams is the multi-jurisdictions and multiple victims (and the lack of all of their participation) whereas this is only the two parties.

I had someone screw me over years ago and I called the police and I did get my money back (it was written into their probation stipulations). You'd have to call your local police and file a complaint and they would then have to forward it to the local police where the other party resides.

I'd suggest going to your local police station and filing a complaint and start the ball rolling because if he hasn't even attempted to be a man and at least try and make this right by now I certainly don't see him doing so without some sort of motivation behind him. And if that motivation has to be his cellmate Bubba then so be it.

This is true, I had a situation 2 years ago when a breeding loan went south and I called the police. I had all proof of ownership, photos, receipts, etc, for all snakes involved and the police escorted me to get my animals back from the person who stolen them. I think it depends on the situation. This was a local situation, so if you were local you might have more luck just going and retrieving your animals you sold to him, if they were even still there :/

 

[Focal]

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I understand you have a personal vendetta against this guy (I saw your thread in hell before it was removed) but trashing his name and trying to get others on the bandwagon before he even gets a chance to reply is pretty low. Especially mentioning activities that may have had NOTHING to do with him.


Also, OP, from what I read in those emails, it almost seems like you were pushing these snakes on someone that obviously couldn't afford them. That should have been your first clue not to sell them to him.

Second, can you go more into this 90-day payment plan and what the details were? It doesn't appear that it's been 90 days since he has had the snakes.

I'm not coming to his defense, I just would like to see this actually get solved rather than 1368546216 people coming in and bashing the guy before he is even given 24 hours to reply. This is the same courtesy any of you guys would ask for.

 

[Cp3_Pythons]

holy smokes, me too! this is crazy!

After the tornado, I offered to auction off some of my own animals to try to raise some funds for them and the animals they lost, Dean said thanks but it was not necessary. I'm sure glad he turned me down now. I was hoping to come on here and find Dean's response that he was going to start making payments and man up about the situation...


good detective work Brian, thank you for posting those links and stories.

As did I I didn't have much at the time of the incident but I offered to Have all of what I had Ball Python wise Shipped to Dean FREE only wanting a few babies from what I would send a total of 8 Bps at the time 7 females 1 male I wasn't really pressed on the getting anything back as his story really touched me I wanted to do something good to help someone out But Im GLAD now that he declined Im still waiting for Dean to get accsess to the Internet and see what he has to say about this But.... IDK I guess you can never really trust anyone although Im having a hard time beliving this although the proof is there plainly to see DEAN the Balls in your court what are you going to do??

Maybe he has another SN on Fuana?? I wonder hmmm

 

[brd7666]

I understand you have a personal vendetta against this guy (I saw your thread in hell before it was removed) but trashing his name and trying to get others on the bandwagon before he even gets a chance to reply is pretty low. Especially mentioning activities that may have had NOTHING to do with him.


Also, OP, from what I read in those emails, it almost seems like you were pushing these snakes on someone that obviously couldn't afford them. That should have been your first clue not to sell them to him.

Second, can you go more into this 90-day payment plan and what the details were? It doesn't appear that it's been 90 days since he has had the snakes.

I'm not coming to his defense, I just would like to see this actually get solved rather than 1368546216 people coming in and bashing the guy before he is even given 24 hours to reply. This is the same courtesy any of you guys would ask for.

I'm glad you brought that up.

You don't know what you are talking about.

I posted that in Hell to try and avoid it ever coming to the BOI. I have been friend's with Chris for many years. He is extremely busy right now, and didn't have the time to post it on the BOI, so I posted in Hell to try and get some resolution that way. The post was removed by Nick, and he also gave me 2 infraction points for posting BOI material in Hell. When I told Chris that I got infraction points, he decided to make the time to post it in the BOI. So, I'm glad you brought that up, and it's clear you didn't have a clue as to why. I'm trying to help here, whick is more then I can say for you.

For those of you that did not see my post in Hell, here it is.

I see you haven't been logged on Fauna since December, and your web site is down. My friend sent you 84 Ball Pythons in good faith, because everything about you was positive. Now you won't return his calls, or emails, and when you did, you made one excuse after the next. So why aren't you paying the money? I have encouraged him to take this to the BOI, so I hope he does.

It's really funny Dean. You accused me, and Deborah of slandering you in the Wise scam, and how I was against you, and you claimed how inocent you were. Now you owe $4000.00 to someone, and you are nowhere to be found. So what kind of a guy are you Dean?

I would bet money that Dean has viewed this thread, and I'm sure he has no intentions of responding.

I amprovideing the link again to Dean's Good Guy Certificate here on Fauna. I would encourage you to vote bad guy, so we can hopefully keep people from being scammed by Dean in the future.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189931