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Other than than the pied tail markers, is there any? I also noticed that the Het Red ball python looks different really cool to me actually or maybe i just caught a couple of cool looking normal ball python with the red het. I have heard that you can tell with burmese pythons as well, but not 100% sure. Just curious and wondering thanks for any help guys.
 
the tail markers on a pied are not "true" markers.. lots of normals have them, and lots of 100% hets don't..

if I recall, a "het red" is actually the name of the morph???

Some people say some things, like het ghosts kinda "glow".. to the best of my knowledge, there are no TRUE het "tells"
 
Yeah, the het red is actually a co-dom, the super being a red axanthic. IMO they should have given it a better name, especially considering the fact that other axanthics are recessive.
 
Pastels are a visual het. The homozygous form is the super pastel. Likewise with most other co-dom morphs. The more you know! :thumbsup:
 
Ahh ok Yea and the fires and mojos and cinnys as well,. Thanks Chris! But how about more along the lines of recessive hets, sorry I should have been more specific.
 
Like Brandy said their really are no true 100% accurate markers for any of the recessive morphs out there.... well that I know of anyway.

That said, when dealing with possible hets a lot of people will look for different markers when choosing holdbacks. Ones people look at are things like hooks in the pattern, faded heads, head marks, clean bellies, and overall coloration.

They are not 100%, but they sure do make you feel a little better about raising up possible hets...... ;)
 
scarnicom said:
Ahh ok Yea and the fires and mojos and cinnys as well,. Thanks Chris! But how about more along the lines of recessive hets, sorry I should have been more specific.
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No worries, I just know that there are a lot of people out there who don't quite understand the way heterozygous/homozygous work. I wasn't sure if you knew that yourself or not so I thought I'd mention it.

As far as recessive hets go, any markers really are dependent on the entire clutch. There's little things that people will look for here and there, like head spots or lighter coloration/blushing for hypos.

Another one I've heard mentioned before is that het clowns tend to have a brighter look to them than their non-het clutch mates. I've only produced two clutches of possible het clowns, but I did end up with about half that had a certain brightness to them.
 
garweft said:
Like Brandy said their really are no true 100% accurate markers for any of the recessive morphs out there.... well that I know of anyway.

That said, when dealing with possible hets a lot of people will look for different markers when choosing holdbacks. Ones people look at are things like hooks in the pattern, faded heads, head marks, clean bellies, and overall coloration.

They are not 100%, but they sure do make you feel a little better about raising up possible hets...... ;)
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When u mention the hooks in pattern, what morph is this reffering to? just curious cuz I have a lil dinker project and when I sold it off and bought what he had left a year later he said he held back this one girl because of the hook in her pattern. Never quite understood why...
 
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When u mention the hooks in pattern, what morph is this reffering to? just curious cuz I have a lil dinker project and when I sold it off and bought what he had left a year later he said he held back this one girl because of the hook in her pattern. Never quite understood why...
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Hooks are for anything "het".. again.. it is like a pied marker.. normals have them too.. but when holding back poss. hets.. it is something that might help..
 
Miss Tuniwha said:
Hooks are for anything "het".. again.. it is like a pied marker.. normals have them too.. but when holding back poss. hets.. it is something that might help..
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I remember reading a thread that was posted in the BP forum sometime ago, referring to "hooks" on hets; however, I was thinking that it included mojos that were het BEL (which all mojos are). I could have misunderstood a point being made, but I hope not, as this pastave has a very slight chance of being het for albino (the sire is 50% het, but I never proved him out).

(2 "mirrored hooks" are obvious on the left, but on the lower right, you can see most of a 3rd hook!)
 

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I think the "hooks" are for anything, including co-doms.. I know most of my pastels have them.. but they could also be het for granite.. which is a project I am working on..

LOL.. again. it is not a certainty..
 
Thats super interesting! I have never seen or heard of hooks until now! Those are very different!
 
Here is a photo of one of the pastel pos. granite babies I produced this past year.. you can see all of the "hook"..

it COULD be because it's pastel. but it COULD be because of the granite possibility..

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so.. if I were going to hold any back from that clutch.. it would have been this one.. just in case.. didn't.. but, you know what I mean..
 
I have several het hypos. The normals and mojos are MUCH brighter than non-hets. The pastels, both het and poss het hypo, have a much different patten than any of my other pastels. But then I've got a cinny, black pewter and black pastel, and none of them look any different from most other of the same morph.

Because there is really no way to tell, I am VERY selective as to whom I will buy hets from, even with paperwork!!
 
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