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Bad Guy Ben Siegel Reptiles

If it was so important things would have been taken care of, seeing as the OP only made one bid, as per what he said than it really doesn't matter. the seller wanted permission from an adult, that is not uncommon in any case. Being that the Op is under 18 it goes without saying they are still living with their parents and there are plenty of times where the parents don't want a reptile in their homes.

the seller is trying to cover themselves and a buyer should RESPECT that and vice versa.

not that this is the case.

If you have probs with your phone blowing up because of facebook get over it and change it. end of problem. If it was so important then you wold have had one of your parents take care of it for you, IE call the seller.

I guess rule number one if you are going to breed and sale is HAVE ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW!

that covers selling and buying. If you even think there is going to be a problem COVER IT!

If you problem is age but your parents are letting you make the same deal as Homegrown Scales. Have a parent contact first then you can continue on. Not only does it take a lot of weight off of the buyer's side but it will help you as well.

I mean really, i have sold pets like kittens, to people online only to find out they were teens and the parents griped at me when they came to pick them up. no one wants to go through with that so if you were serious you would have made steps to show that you were. IE having a parent make the bid for you and talking everything through.

but that is just my .02
 
Well if no one belives me thats fine, but i know what i was called, and if he wouldnt have blocked me i could show you the whole convo.
 
I'm sorry but I have nieces and nephews and little brothers and sisters. I know a bratty kid when I see one. I believe the posters final comment to me after a several minute chat about how the rules shouldn't apply to him because he was not a little kid, was that fine, ill never buy from you. My final response to him was you are correct no you won't and I blocked his access to my page. So as you can see his final response was a nasty one and that is what ended up getting him blocked permanently from buying from us or even visiting our fb page
I have a ton of cutomers under 18. Many have been cutomers since they were little kids and I have watched some them grow up into breeders and shop owners. Some really great kids that I am sure one day will be big names in outrageous industry. This kid was being a difficult little argumentative brat. I tried explaining to him my reasoning and instead of being polite, he had to be right.
 
Kirk for future reference just remember that "sticks and stones may break my bones..." you get the point.

I don't think Ben deserves a bad guy thread for calling you a bratty kid. Maybe not your business but definitely not a bad guy thread. And just remember if you don't act like a bratty kid no ones going to think you are, and right now you kind seem like one.

Just my observations :)
 
Payara said:
Kirk for future reference just remember that "sticks and stones may break my bones..." you get the point.

I don't think Ben deserves a bad guy thread for calling you a bratty kid. Maybe not your business but definitely not a bad guy thread. And just remember if you don't act like a bratty kid no ones going to think you are, and right now you kind seem like one.Just my observations :)
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Well I dont think the OP has acted bratty at all in this thread, hes just informing us. JMO

Which this shoulda been an info post instead of a bad guy post because the OP actually didnt have a transaction with him. Anyways whether a customer is acting bratty or not its up to the seller to remain professional and mature. The OP mentioned that having the parents contacted wouldnt be a problem. So to all the people posting, "it just to cover his butt, etc." ur wasting server space because the OP has stated that the knows about it and understands perfectly fine.


Theres no need to call names even if ur in the right, remember Ben, you are a grown business professional. A simple "No thank you," and a block button if it came down to it, is all that needed to be done. Now after some kids read this and assume u dont like kids like ur an ogre or sumthin, they wont be asking their parents because they feel u dont want to do business with them. But you gotta look at the big picture and realize that in a few years these "kids" will be adults themselves and dealing with u on a regular basis. Or not dealing with u as this specific case depicts.

Either way theres not much more that can be said not knowing what actually went down. And the only way to see the evidence is if Ben posts it.
 
kirkposs said:
Exactly as i said i am not mad about wanting to speak to my parents. i had no prob with that. it was when he called me a braty little kid is when i was mad.
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That's exactly how you're coming across here. The right thing would have been to ignore it and add him to your do not buy from list. There was no reason to post this here because you were mad. Hopefully you'll understand better as you grow up.
 
listen--I deal with kids day in and day out. Good ones, bad ones and everywhere in between. I like kids and most of customers children are great. This little boy was being rude and argumentative. At no point did he say he would have his parents call. When I told him to have them call--he told me that it is not worth the trouble to be able to bid-------I then said fine dont bid-----he then put a post up on his wall with me tagged in it I beleive saying how I wouldnt let him bid, blah blah blah. This is when he messaged me---fine--then I will never buy anything from you to which I replied no you wont and blocked him. Why in the world would you be defending this kids bad behavoir? Aside from everything---we have had NO TRANSACTION. He mouthed off and got blocked and that is no reason for him to post anything up on a public forum. On top of being underage here as well. I am pretty sure you are supposed to be 18 to post on the boi as well.
 
ben siegel said:
listen--I deal with kids day in and day out. Good ones, bad ones and everywhere in between. I like kids and most of customers children are great. This little boy was being rude and argumentative. At no point did he say he would have his parents call. When I told him to have them call--he told me that it is not worth the trouble to be able to bid-------I then said fine dont bid-----he then put a post up on his wall with me tagged in it I beleive saying how I wouldnt let him bid, blah blah blah. This is when he messaged me---fine--then I will never buy anything from you to which I replied no you wont and blocked him. Why in the world would you be defending this kids bad behavoir? Aside from everything---we have had NO TRANSACTION. He mouthed off and got blocked and that is no reason for him to post anything up on a public forum. On top of being underage here as well. I am pretty sure you are supposed to be 18 to post on the boi as well.
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Well because uve posted no proof of his bad behavior so its ur word against his. Im not defending him or his actions simply stating observations and playing advocate for both sides. Ur an adult so why do u resort to middle school name calling? Its just not professional IMHO. I had 12 cubscouts show unexpectedly at my resturant yesterday morning for a tour I wasnt prepared for in the least, were they being brats? not too bad but were a few occasions where they got out of hand, now if I called them brats do u think I would still have my job? Granted you own ur business and can do what u want, I just feel if u claim urself as a business u shouldnt be calling kids brats "on the clock." And to be honest ur kinda acting like a kid now trying to get him in trouble by saying underage posting isnt allowed in the BOI. But its incredibly hard to convey emotion via typing so I could be misreading.
 
these random BOI bad guy posts whining when someone doesn't get their way are getting annoying. sounds like the OP got his feelings hurt because he's underage and doesn't know how to read the terms of the auction. the seller has every right to ask to speak to the parents when dealing with an underage buyer, and this should have never been brought to the BOI. the OP can't read the terms of the auction, and obviously can't read the rules of the BOI. kirk, use this as a learning experience to make sure next time you know all of the details and rules. and ben, knowing he was a 16 year old kid you might have approached this a little differently. we were all 16 before and thought we knew everything. i have to agree that just informing him of the rules of bidding and blocking him, without the "brat" comment, would have been more professional. but sometimes we speak before thinking, happens to all of us.
 
OMG seriously this whole thread is becuase some child got there feelings hurt? Thats what Im seeing atleast...
Then becuase of the CHILD/OP's phone and facebook settings his phone kept going off and it bothered him?
Wouldn't have his parents call to insure that it was in fact ok for him to be bidding..
Leads me to think in all honesty that he couldn't have them talk to him becuase they the OP's parents didn't know what he was doing... But we will never know as they never called becuase he the OP said it was a waste of time if that was the case why did you bid??
Either you were serious about buying ( I personally HIGHLY DOUBT IT) or just wasting time via you were bored

I've talked to Ben many times I've bought from Ben, I've talked to Ben when I wasn't buying something from him and we talked for some time on genetics,care, & husbandry of Ball Pythons . Ben's always came off as helpful and always has been.
I wouldn't hesitate to do business with Ben again Im waiting for my trip to Flordia later this year so I can get the chance to meet Ben in person. He told me if Im ever in Flordia be sure I come by and check the store and the animals out...

BEN SIEGEL = GREAT GUY
 
thanks to everyone who posted. I have to let the brat remark stand--I know I know, I just cant help it. He is being a brat. I have had quite a few young ladies and gentlemen im me and have there parents either call or email when they wanted to bid. Nice well spoken POLITE young herpers. When a young kid is sending you messages and telling you how it is or how it should be, that can wear on your patience real fast. No big deal. Im over it! Thanks to everyone who has participated so far--it has been a blast!!
 
rcpreis3 said:
Well because uve posted no proof of his bad behavior so its ur word against his. Im not defending him or his actions simply stating observations and playing advocate for both sides. Ur an adult so why do u resort to middle school name calling? Its just not professional IMHO. I had 12 cubscouts show unexpectedly at my resturant yesterday morning for a tour I wasnt prepared for in the least, were they being brats? not too bad but were a few occasions where they got out of hand, now if I called them brats do u think I would still have my job? Granted you own ur business and can do what u want, I just feel if u claim urself as a business u shouldnt be calling kids brats "on the clock." And to be honest ur kinda acting like a kid now trying to get him in trouble by saying underage posting isnt allowed in the BOI. But its incredibly hard to convey emotion via typing so I could be misreading.
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Actually, the OP is pointing fingers, yet showing no proof whatsoever so it actually is not Ben's responsibility to defend himself...unless we're going to take the word of a 16 year-old as gospel. Not saying anything negative at all of the minor; however, burden of proof is the accuser's obligation.
 
I bought from Ben a few years ago and was very pleased. He was polite, courteous, and honest throughout the entire process. Shipping was timely and packed well. I would not hesitate to do business with him again.

Even if we assume the OP is 100 percent correct, there is still nothing to suggest a bad guy post. I tend to agree with Bens assesment as an adult would have thought through the situation before posting such things(not that all adults do unfortunately). This is much to do about nothing.
 
final post on this-

--let me clear this up for Kirk---he really has nothing to prove--I totally Iadmit I called him a brat---after a lengthy chat for a few minutes and several rude comments I first told him to stop being rude. I didnt pull the brat comment until he was basically just arguing for the point of arguing. So he really does not have to prove anything if that is his reason for his bad guy post. I did call him a bratty little kid--I also called him a brat here. Im not hiding that at all--however young master kirk would have you believe he came to me doe eyed and innocent and said please sir may I have another bowl? Sorry Oliver, Not what happened. I am sure no one is buying that. You want to act like a grown up? Dont be disrespectful to your elders, especially when they are trying to help you.
 
I have never had anything but good experiences with Ben. I'm buying a boa from him and I gave him a deposit. He has been kind enough to let me hold him there until his cage is finished. So far it's been 2 months.
Thanks Ben. Will definitely buy for you him again.

Asherah
 
I have to say i agree with sbk94. The issue could have been handled a little better, but everyone makes mistakes and i have seen a lot more outrageous things said by 16 y.o.'s on forums.
 
OK guys I am gonna ask for this post to be closed, and i will write a apology to ben, as i was in a REALLY bad mood yesterday. I apologize to each and every one of you. and i hope you except my apology. MODS PLEASE CLOSE OR DELETE this thread.
 
kirkposs said:
OK guys I am gonna ask for this post to be closed, and i will write a apology to ben, as i was in a REALLY bad mood yesterday. I apologize to each and every one of you. and i hope you except my apology. MODS PLEASE CLOSE OR DELETE this thread.
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Kirk, these threads are not deleted. This thread was unfortunate, but at least you are going to issue an apology. Hopefully, next time you will give more time and thought prior to posting.
 
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