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I have a few spiders and I notice my male about a year and a half old has wobble even when he goes after food seems kinda off like has some problems. does the wobble get worse with age? my females are good no problems with them.
 
My male went almost 10 months without wobbling or corkscrewing and gradually over the next year and a half he has turned into a train wreck.
He didn't have so much as a head shake till around 9 months old and as the months went by he got worse and worse.
 
I'm not breeding this guy wither, really don't have anything I would put him to anyways so he's just a pet and knows he's spoiled :p
 
Pretty much all spiders have some form of wobble or spinning. Some are much worse than others, it doesn't really seem to affect them health wise. There are some out there that don't seem to have those issues but they still pass it on to offspring from what I have read. Most hatchlings start out without the wobbling and develop it as they get older, once they do develop a wobble it seems to stay about the same as they age.
 
greencountryreps said:
Pretty much all spiders have some form of wobble or spinning. Some are much worse than others, it doesn't really seem to affect them health wise. There are some out there that don't seem to have those issues but they still pass it on to offspring from what I have read. Most hatchlings start out without the wobbling and develop it as they get older, once they do develop a wobble it seems to stay about the same as they age.
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I have one Spider left and he has what I call a minimal wobble. Spiders make some fantastic looking combos but personally I don't think I'll be working much with the Spider gene because I don't want to deal with wobbly head issues. :willy_nil
 
I guess we got lucky,our spider female has very little wobble.She will turn upside down when she is being held,and when she goes for food she has more of a wobble when she hits but it does'nt seem to bother her she right on target.
 
I've also got the two spider combo's here, a large female bumblebee and a 1400 gram female spider yellowbelly and neither of them corkscrew at all and only the spiderbelly gives me that awkward tilted head smile.
As much as I'm not a huge spider fan my partner is so I go there, lol.

Spider yellowbelly clowns should be smokin as should bumblebelly clowns :yesnod:
 
greencountryreps said:
Pretty much all spiders have some form of wobble or spinning. Some are much worse than others, it doesn't really seem to affect them health wise. There are some out there that don't seem to have those issues but they still pass it on to offspring from what I have read. Most hatchlings start out without the wobbling and develop it as they get older, once they do develop a wobble it seems to stay about the same as they age.
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I hear a lot of spiders get a lot worse when they hit breeding age.. I had a spider male, at 2 years old, he never had a noticeable wobble.. he sired a couple clutches, and of those, only a couple of the babies had any noticeable wobble, and they were both very mild..

but.. I decided to avoid spider and spider mixes all together.. which is a shame, because spiders are quite lovely.
 
Mine started to tilt backwards at about 1 year old but once he started breeding he got alot better and now only has a small head tilt when laying down. None of his babies (5 of them) had anything as a baby and none of the new owners have mentioned anything yet.
 
two of my females are good the one you can't tell unless you know what your looking for. I was told spider to spider is a death gene. I have a great looking reduced spider female that I hope will get freaky with my fire ball next season. goal is bumblebee fire just hope I can hatch out some fireflys this year.
 
Subdriven said:
I've heard nerd has a super spider. Looks the same but tosses o100% spiders.
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That wouldn't be considered a "super." It's a homozygous Spider. Plenty of people could potentially have them, it just isn't visually possible to tell, the only way to determine is through breeding. If the snake in question consistently produces Spiders and no Normals, it's carrying both copies of the Spider gene and thus is homozygous.
 
“Super” is synonymous for “Homozygous”…

So “Super Spider” and “Homozygous for Spider” are the same thing… Just like a “Super Pastel” and “Homozygous for Pastel” are the same thing…

And to top it off, the spiders that throw 50% spiders are “Heterozygous for Spider”… just like what we commonly call a “Pastel” is actually “Heterozygous for Pastel”…

I wish we would use less fancy meaningless terms and more frequently use proper scientific terms. I think it would make learning a lot easier for those new to trying to understand genetic traits…
 
I have talked to a few breeders and they are telling me spider to spider all the babies would have some real issues if they even make it. I asked if could or should I breed a spider to spider all of them said don't. even a bee to a bee they told me is no good. I don't have lots of plans with my spiders only few things I want to do. I really like pinstripes but I do have this great looking reduced pattern spider female.
 
reptilenut69 said:
I have talked to a few breeders and they are telling me spider to spider all the babies would have some real issues if they even make it. I asked if could or should I breed a spider to spider all of them said don't. even a bee to a bee they told me is no good. I don't have lots of plans with my spiders only few things I want to do. I really like pinstripes but I do have this great looking reduced pattern spider female.
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That's the thing, I've never seen any documentation from an experienced snake breeder that A.) it is even possible to create a "Super Spider" and B.) that they HAVE in fact produced a "Super Spider" and that it is able to produce 100% Spiders when bred to a non Spider.

I've also never seen any documentation or testimony that Spider x Spider produces more "spider issues" in the offspring.

The only reason this interests me so much is because there is a leopard gecko morph called the "Enigma" that works in a very similar way as the Spider, and it also has neurotransmission issues. When breeding an Enigma to a Normal, approximately 50% of the offspring are Enigmas. There has never been an 'Super Enigma" produced (an animal that when bred to a normal produces 100% Enigmas) and there is no real evidence that breeding Enigma x Enigma produces even more "Enigma issues" in the offspring, although there are people that say that on forums etc, even though they have no real knowledge of this themselves.

So I have thought for some time that the Enigma and Spider morphs have so many similarities, that perhaps they are caused by the same type of gene, or a similar gene. I guess we'll never really know for sure though.
 
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