I wanna know about the Jungle.

[mxracer4life]

Ok. So a jungle boa as we know is a incomplete dominant trait, with the "super jungle" being the Homozygous trait. Now from what I see, Jungles can be misleading, as it appears some people may call and aberrant patterned boa a "jungle". But my question is, when breeding a Jungle to a Jungle, what is the outcome? I am seeing litters of Jungle litters, but no mention of super jungles in the litter.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Ok. So a jungle boa as we know is a incomplete dominant trait, with the "super jungle" being the dominant trait. Now from what I see, Jungles can be misleading, as it appears some people may call and aberrant patterned boa a "jungle". But my question is, when breeding a Jungle to a Jungle, what is the outcome? I am seeing litters of Jungle litters, but no mention of super jungles in the litter.

Yes there have been a lot of boas marked/sold as 'jungles' because they were aberrant, I haven't seen it as much lately though. True jungle boas can be traced back to Lars Brindle Sweedish stock; P. Kahl I believe imported some and as far as I know, a lot of the US stock comes from those breeding Kahl did.

I can't say for sure jungle x jungle because I have only seen a few people post full litter pics, but yes, that breeding produces the supers. If there's a jungle x jungle and no supers, I would be suspect that either one of the parents really isn't a jungle?

I'm still a few years away from making my own supers, can't wait!

 

[mxracer4life]

This is the type of jungle I am familiar with.

 

[mxracer4life]

My "drab" jungle, from a jungle to jungle breeding.

 

[Firebill]

Jungles are probably my favorites of all, but sometimes they are also hard for me to tell from just an aberrant normal. I see a lot of ads that state jungle, and i ask myself "where's the jungle". Here's a pair that i was co-owner of a few years ago, but traded them off The jungle is the male, and Kahl threw in the sib sister for free.

 

[mxracer4life]

Yeah, I got my male super hypo jungle from Kahl. He is sweet. Not yet ready to come out of quarantine yet, but when he does, he will make some sweet looking babies.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Is this just a "drab" jungle?

The broken head stripe, the missing saddle points and the striped side saddles would lead me to believe that, yes, it likely is a Jungle, but without knowing the parents, it is hard to tell.

Color is very important when it comes to Jungle. Most people think pattern is, but I think color is more so. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a very low expression Jungle.

 

[mxracer4life]

The broken head stripe, the missing saddle points and the striped side saddles would lead me to believe that, yes, it likely is a Jungle, but without knowing the parents, it is hard to tell.

Color is very important when it comes to Jungle. Most people think pattern is, but I think color is more so. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a very low expression Jungle.

Thanks for the input Diem. On this one I couldn't pass her up for the price. I like the coloring and aberrant pattern of jungles, especially with a nice tail stripe or reverse stripe, but this one here stuck out, she is different than anything I have seen.

 

[ShadowAceD]

Hopefully, she proves out for you then.

 

[mxracer4life]

I hope so too. And thank you everyone for your input on this. I was sure that Jungles were incomplete dominant, but when I started seeing all these litters this spring with all jungles or aberrant patterned babies I began to worry I had overlooked something. Here is to Super jungle hypos/Super jungles/jungles and hypo jungles!

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

Ok. So a jungle boa as we know is a incomplete dominant trait, with the "super jungle" being the dominant trait.

Super or Homozygous, not Dominant. Dominant describes a relationship that a pair of genes have at any given locus. So does Recessive (hidden) and Co-Dominant (equally expressed).

Heterozygous means simply, the pair of genes at a given locus are not the same. This would be the normal Jungle. Homozygous means they are the same, and would be called Super or Homozygous.

Just FYI.


I'm fairly lousy at picking jungles unless they are blatantly obvious, so I can't offer much on picking a Super from a Het animal.

 

[SPJ]

I think this Swedish girl may be a jungle.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Steve's boa above, I see the color difference between the top and lats but otherwise, I never would have guessed it was a jungle.

I have a hypo that was from a poss jungle breeding and she might pass for a jungle (has some characteristics) but the father did *not* prove out. The genes are funky that's for sure!

 

[JCCS]

As far as your boa, Jeremy, it's just not a jungle. It looks more like a BCA cross. I've seen a chunk of animals with that "odd" pattern look, but the saddles aren't "chocolatey" like the true jungles posted, which is probably the biggest marker for jungles. I don't think that your boa is a jungle either, Steve, but I am not so dead certain.

Jeremy, I cannot tell you how much I commend you for using the correct terminology for the jungle gene in incomplete dominant instead of the usual misuse of co-dominant. I thank you, sir.

Chris

 

[SPJ]

I can only go by what the seller said the snake was.
A reverse stripe Swedish line jungle boa.
No matter what though, she is a great laid back f/t rat pounding pet boa.

 

[JCCS]

Steve, I think she is an absolutely gorgeous animal, and I would have purchased her whether or not she was a jungle. I would grab a jungle male and find out, the worst thing that could happen would be some really interesting jungles would come out.

Chris

 

[bear]

I know the seller who sold that reverse stripe jungle, he's 100% in my book and if he said it came from a jungle litter i'm betting it did. Always a possibility it is a crazy normal from a jungle litter but i doubt it. I agree with the stripe it is hard to tell what is going on with that one though.

As far as low expression jungle i.d goes, I look for the over all yellow/buckskin look, heavy speckled sides, large white portals/circles on the side of the saddles and aberancies, although there is a clear difference between jungle aberancies and other aberancies. I can't quite put my finger on how to describe that yet, but all I can say about i.d-ing true jungles is it just takes a lot of seeing them. Look at as many 100% true jungles as you can and you'll start to get the feel for what is what, look for things they all have in common even if most people don't look for those traits (maybe you can find a new marker that no one else has seen.)

 

[bear]

" I agree with the stripe it is hard to tell what is going on with that one though."

Meant to say something more like, With the stripe negating most of the pattern and markers, it is hard to tell what is going on with that boa, but knowing the background of the seller, I am more inclined to say it is jungle.

 

[JCCS]

Albert, I know who sold it as well, and while he normally is pretty good, I don't believe anyone over my own eyes when it comes to boas normally, and I have to respectfully disagree with him.

Chris

 

[bear]

I like when people agree to disagree, it makes for civility in open debates.

Steve, your just gonna have to breed that bugger to a jungle and prove that one out! Oh and you are welcome to use this guy if you want! (coral albino jungle)