Bad Guy DEAD SNAKES from Kevin South of The Constrictors Labrynth

[Southern Wolf]

Seriously, I think it's more than that. I do believe that there are some psychiatric problems here.

He enters this hobby in order to have something to do with his kids. He has taught them bad ethics, poor care for snakes.

You forgot a few.... actually you forgot a lot, but Rich dont have enough server space to list them all.

 

[RobNJ]

Ritchie.... a real vet report would cost money. He has already shown that unless he can make fast cash... he's not going to do it. Why would he actually do something that would cost him money.

Also, why would the honest, professional, reputable Nick Giavasis need to get a vet report and post it when he has given us his good word?

 

[Devon Hodgins]

South Wolf, you have so many green boxes but if you were to list them all you would have so many infractions that they would all disappear.

 

[Southern Wolf]

South Wolf, you have so many green boxes but if you were to list them all you would have so many infractions that they would all disappear.

Dont beat around the bush... step up and say what you mean.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

Dont beat around the bush... step up and say what you mean.

Ok, If we were to call Nick all the names that you could/would/should than you could take up you would have ten whole pages just for one post.

Good think the rules are in place.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

scratch out *would have*. Working on my driod.

 

[CART]

Nicholas, what have you received from Kevin so far. Please just a short to the point answer like this.

I rec'd this much money $ and this many # of replacement snakes.

First, I had full disclosure of all the animals with pictures and explainations about them. I had told Nicholas about the "wheezing". I am 99.9% positive I did before the sale.

Immediately after the initial receipt and contact. He explained how he was unhappy. You may read it below, and IT DOESN'T SAY A THING ABOUT DRAINAGE OR MUCUS from the nose. NOR IS HE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SHIPPING METHOD. He claims that in this post and as you can read he continued to try and acquire my snakes for pennies and get more free boas. You can see the condition of the boas from their pictures I posted at the beginning.

I QUOTE:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Message about: 08 Female READY TO BREED NEXT SEASON
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, March 17, 2011 2:50 pm
To: [email protected]

Kev - Yes, they did arrive. However, I was trying to reserve comment so I was not sounding unprofessional (because I do indeed appreciate your great communication and service). However, I have to say Bud, that het Sharp was the skinniest Boa I've ever had in my hands. Not sure its diet, how long you had it, or when it last ate, but he appears to be in not so good health, weight, size, or form. I was surprised at how skinny he was, looks like malnutrition Kev. An 06'? I have snake half his age that are the same size. If you were a local store and I viewed the snake prior to buying, he would not have been purchased. No disrespect, none....but I am unhappy with that part of the purchase. Not sure what else to say, because I do not want to sound as though I'm being rude.
The Poss Super Hypo, really enjoy and like the animal. Pretty colors and once we get it fattened up we have high hopes and plans for this beauty.
The Coral, again, Kev, I was surprised. You had mentioned that your picture was not good so it was not showing the coral, but that tit had coral......I was just NOT expecting that we'd need a magnifying glass to see even the tiniest hints of the pink associated with coral. We have 2 friends, both with true corals a their homes. We know exactly what they are to look like, that is one of the reasons we bought one, because we see them when we get together with our friends to picnic and party.........and ours, sorry to say, is in no way, shape, or form even remotely close to being a true coral. It shows the tiniest of pink scales, the tiniest......but without the use of 'magnification' you and I both know that she is not coral. She's an albino with the slightest touch of pink, again, needing magnification to see. When you told me it was a poor picture and that your snake had coral, I was trusting that your picture was not showing the pink, maybe because of distance from the camera, maybe a poor camera, or whatever.....but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt Buddy.....and I feel, without trying to be rude in any way, taken a bit.
Know that my daughter likes the snake, but at 15, even her first question was, "Why isn't it pink like all the others!?". How's a dad answer that Bud? We're in Denver Reptile Expo every 3 months selling fossilized reptiles, display minerals/crystals, and my daughters Crested Gecko babies......we know precisely what a coral is to look like, precisely, and we know what an albino looks like, and we know what we have in our possession. It's not that the snake is not nice, as well as pretty, it's just tha tit's an albino, not a coral.....so it is not worth what I paid, sadly (very sadly). If you feel we are totally off-base or wrong, I will not argue the point....as that is not my intent. Truly, it is not my intent to argue or insult. You asked if all was OK, so I wanted to respond properly and professionally and let you know what we felt, that's all. I am asking for nothing from you, and if you wish to do anything concerning our unhappiness, that is totally on your merit. You are across the country, so clearly we can't d anything concerning these issues....so we're just out-there, somewhat perplexed and surprised.
Thanks for the good service and follow-up!
Kindly-
Nick


As you can see I am not editing anything. Now, I provided a 60 GUARANTEE ON THE HET BECAUSE I WAS CONFIDENT ABOUT ITS SURVIVAL AND EVEN IMMEDIATELY REFUNDED $50 OF THE $100 PAID BY HIM.
Even though he was provided pictures of the boas before purchase. He complained about the Coral Albino. I gave him FREE 1.1 2010 Jungle PH VPI boas produced by Ruben "The Sharp Man".

ALL OF THIS WAS PROVIDED WITHIN A WEEK OR SO FROM THE ORIGINAL DATE OF RECEIPT. LONG BEFORE THESE ACCUSATION AROUSE.

AFTER ALL OF THIS HE IS STILL REQUESTING/WANTING MORE FREE BOAS FROM ME.

Whether you agree or disagree about the multiple boas in a single bag is up to you, BUT I was confident that the HET was healthy aside for the OCCASIONAL NOT CONSTANT wheeze. I WAS GOING OFF hear say from the person I traded with, but did not witness any problems during the approximately 2 MONTHS OF QUARANTINE. This boa never got taken out of quarantine and introduced to my collection.

I was confident enough to offer a 60 guarantee on the health of the Het and appease his unhappiness over the Coral with a FREE Pair of boas.

As everyone knows. You have no control over what the reptile is exposed to once it leaves your possession. It doesn't surprise me one bit that snakes get ill in his care. He claims to be a hobbyest, but emails me stating: Feel free to scroll to highlighted part...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:36 pm
To: [email protected]

Kevin, not sure Man.
Let us view, analyze for just a brief moment.
~The 3 snakes traveled together, in the same bag.
~I mentioned fairly quickly to you that the het Sharp was SO skinny, not eating, and looked ill.
~The above snake, het Sharp, died, and I wrote to offer you a body and or proof.
~You were kind enough to offer me the Pos VPI pair as compensation (appreciated)
~I expressed serious concern about the Pos Super, you in return told me he ate fine and you "kept him thin". I felt assured you were sincere.
~Vet told us that the snake was so close to death, he was surprised it lasted this long, and said he had not eaten if a very very long time. It died
~The post inspection should IBD caused death
~The Coral, weird, tongue will hang, acts so very odd.
~Since Coral traveled with the 2 that died, and is acting weird, maybe we can assume she is ill as well....??

Now, the second snake, dead, IBD, I paid a certain amount, I feel it fair that I receive that refunded so that I can make up at least part of the money spent on trying to save it, and to pay for the IBD report.
Also, the Coral, needs to go......to your place, or somewhere. We both know that if 2 are dead already, and IBD is reported, that the Coral most assuredly will also have IBD.
I am open to suggestions, but the fair thing to do is to refund the cost of the snakes, or have snakes sent to me from someone else, unassociated with your stock, as yours may also now be infected. I'm not sure Kev, I just want it all to go away Bud.......it's simply not fair to us. We paid for healthy snakes, we have 2 dead, and one retard.....if you did not know these snakes were ill, I'm not sure if you spent enough time with them, or you may have noticed they were less than half the weight as they should have been.
I have 2 dead, one which is not well. I spent x-amount, I prefer to have that amount, minus the $125 you've covered with a pair that I also need to dump because of fears they are bad too. Either way, I lost my money, I need help. I'm all ears, and I do not wish to argue....but right is right, and wrong is wrong. I am telling the truth, and I feel you are aware that I am telling the truth.
Also, again, I'd prefer to NOT say you sent out 3 snakes with IBD, but instead, allow you time to cure your stock, and move forward, untainted, good reputation, all this crap behind us. I know this could potential cost me many $1000's Bud, many $1000's!!!!! This is NOT a good day for us over here! Kev, I want to disappear into the sunset, but I will not do so with dead/sick snakes AND empty pockets.......you sent me sick snakes. Also, for thought, I have had over 250 snakes sent to me over the past year, maybe over 300, and none, none, were shipped together in the same bag or the same Tupperware container, none, never, ever, from nobody, none. You are a seasoned breeders, so it's very odd why you did this......especially when seasoned breeders are suppose to know better. I'm just confused Kev, absolutely confused.
What do I want, let's start with my money refunded....and you can pay for the Coral to be shipped back if you want her. She is sick, you can see it, you can sense it......she is not well, she doesn't move much, and if she continues to live, and since yours snakes were diagnosed with IBD, the Coral cannot stay here. Concerning her, you tell me what to do. Concerning my money, having it refunded would be a start to better relations and putting all of this behind us.
Thank you for listing Kevin, honestly, thank you for listening!
Nick

He has shown he doesn't quarantine his reptiles. Perfectly healthy reptiles could be subjected to anything in those kind of "Turn Around Conditions"

BOTTOMLINE, HE IS STILL WANTING TO GET MORE FREE BOAS FROM ME TO DATE.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

I dont agrre with the shipping method. However, I do believe that Nick still wants free boas from you. I think that was the whole point of this BG thread and I honestly dont think they ever died.

I believe that whole story was a bunch of BS. He has already sold it and more than likely it is fine. He just told you that to get you to send free boas to flip and make pure profit. He himself has already proved that every other word if not every word that comes out of his mouth is false, so why believe him?

Next time Kevin, ask for proff before you hand over money and or free boas.

 

[RobNJ]

Kevin, I may have missed it in the e-mails you posted, as I'm skimming through here at work from my phone, but where exactly is Nick asking for more free snakes? If that is the case, after crying IBD, he is truly a sad man. I really despise having to defend my hobby and the animals I love because of people like Nick. Sad thing is, he is a grown man and probably can't change how he operates.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Mod hat /off

I wouldn’t say you are being ‘attacked’ I would say you are being questioned and asked to provide proof.

I was told this snake had been "healthy", that is what I told my customers!

And yet you say:

one arrived with snot hanging out of his nose,

followed by:

After they were here I noticed one had stuffy nose

Again.. changing story.

You said:

I quarantine my in-coming animals

Except when you turn around and resold one immedietly before even making sure it would eat.

5/10 – posted:

Post death vet check being done, report in fairly soon, and I will post a copy.

And 5/10 posted:

Post-death results will be posted as soon as they are in-hand.

Yet emails to Kevin 5/10 show you were already accusing him of having IBD.

From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, May 10, 2011 9:36 pm

~The post inspection should IBD caused death

(I assume should means showed)

I merely want resolution.

You already got a partial refund and replacement snakes.

REFUNDED $50 OF THE $100 PAID BY HIM. Even though he was provided pictures of the boas before purchase. He complained about the Coral Albino. I gave him FREE 1.1 2010 Jungle PH VPI boas

What else do you want?

All he is wanting now is MORE FREE boas.

Oh that’s right, more snakes.
Kevin, can you post the email where he states he wants more to back that up?

So you are saying Kevin sells sick snakes and has IBD in his collection and yet you want more of his snakes.

Accusing someone of having IBD is no laughing matter, it’s a very serious accusation. You still have not posted ANY proof that the snakes you received were sick or have even died. Your stories continue to contradict themselves and it looks more and more like you are just trying to blackmail Kevin for more money/snakes, especially based on this quote… wouldn’t Kevin be the first one you would send the IBD report to if one existed?

Quoted from email posted:

a copy og the IBD report goes on fauna, unless you take care of this issue!

I have had over 250 snakes sent to me over the past year, maybe over 300

So perhaps you’re the one with IBD (I am just being facetious).


Well this has certenly been a good learning lesson for Kevin, research who you are selling to, don't ship out snakes with a wheeze even if the buyer is aware of the condition beforehand and always ship each reptile in it's own bag/deli cup.

 

[SirenSanJose]

Wait, he's asking for MORE snakes, not just a refund?!? From a "collection that (supposidly) has IBD"?!? (Not that I believe him about that, there's no report, and as others have stated, hasn't been enough time to GET a legit report). But if he's so sure you've "got" IBD, why in the WORLD would he want MORE SNAKES from your collection?!?

Does he have no idea IBD diagnoses mean no-in-no-out, immediately? I'd say his wanting more animals from a supposidly "sick" collection is a pretty good sign he made the whole dang thing up!

 

[Firebill]

Kevin, I was waiting on Nick to answer as i was going to go somewhere with it, but i guess expecting something simple was too much. I appreciate the page long re-post, but a $50 refund and 2 snakes answer would have been suffient as there's enough here that people have to read as it is.

I would not send anything further to him.

As for your shipping method, I don't agree, but this about you not me.

 

[Devon Hodgins]

I emailed him asking for the report at 2:32 and he has yet to respond to my email even though he has been monitoring this thread the whole time. he was the won that asked for someone to email him so he could post it for him. I did and then nothing

I think it is safe to say he will be stuck flippi, umm, I mean selling animals on Craigslist and the lousy, scumbag infested Kingsnake.

Good luck with your busine, umm, I mean hobby

 

[Devon Hodgins]

one* (auto correct on my driod)

 

[CART]

This is my FINAL EMAIL TO NICHOLAS GIAVASIS. I will waste no more energy or time on this FRAUD.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 1:34 pm
To: "Nicholas Giavasis" <[email protected]>

Nicholas,
Over the last couple of days. This whole situation has been eating at me like crazy. I have lost alot of sleep over your accusations and continues liable of my business, animals and name. Not because they are in ANYWAY TRUE OR ACCURATE, but because they were made at all. You CONTINUE TO THIS DAY TO MAKE THESE ACCUSATIONS.
I did Google your name and email address and WAS COMPLETELY DISGUSTED BY WHAT I FOUND AND READ.
I had full disclosure and provided current photos of all boas before the sale was closed. That showed you that none were sickly looking or showing any signs of illness (DRAINAGE or MUCUS of the noise). Once immediate concerns were expressed upon receipt. I offered a 60 GUARANTEE covering the health of the Het Sharp. Even though you WERE PROVIDED CLEAR PICTURES of the Coral. I provided a pair of PH Jungle VPI's with a value of $500 for FREE AND PAID SHIPPING. YOU HAVE RECEIVED A FULL REFUND AMOUNT FOR THE HET SHARP.
You have proven you are a liar, cheat, swindler, blackmailer, and thief. You have absolutely no morals or ethics and will stoop to the ABSOLUTE LOWEST level to benefit yourself. You have EMAILED ME telling me that the "supposed family man and small hobbyist" has received over 300 snakes in the past year.
It doesn't surprise me one bit if a reptile gets ill in your care. I honest can't even comment on that animal then going to a third parties care and being exposed to more, then you claiming it died.
You can post any "PROOF" you want. You know this is ALL FICTION AND YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD FOR SCREWING BUYERS AND SELLERS ALIKE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. You can threaten me with IBD claims all you want AND REMEMBER. I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO THROW THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC ALONG WITH YOUR BLACKMAIL THREATS, BECAUSE YOU AND I KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE.
Now as you threaten and i quote:
"If I need to come to you, we will be evening up, one way or another Kevin......let mw know how this needs to go down so we can get out of each others lives."
Feel the need to come to Tracy, CA, well let just say I will leave that up to you.
I care for and raise my animals with love and respect. I am PROUDLY ANTICIPATING NEW LITTERS. I WILL NOT AND CANNOT SUBJECT ANY NEW ANIMAL TO YOUR GAMES OR CONDITIONS.
IF I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE BOAS FREE. YOU WILL PROBABLY TURN RIGHT AROUND AND CLAIM SICKNESS OR DEMAND MONEY OR MORE BOAS/REPTILES.
YES, YES, YES, I AM ABSOLUTELY RETRACTING MY WORD AND PROMISE ABOUT OFFERING YOU YET ANOTHER PAIR OF FREE BOAS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO MY WORD AND I AM VERY VERY PROUD OF THIS DECISION.
This is the last bit of energy I will ever waste on you or this discussion again. If you feel it necessary to make further correspondence with me. You CAN EXPECT NO RESPONSE FROM ME.
Sincerely,

Kevin South
The Constrictors Labrynth
www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com
Phone: 209-855-1229
7 days a week, 9am to 7pm-Pacific Time


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, May 11, 2011 2:21 pm
To: [email protected]

Kevin,
Listen Bud, I want to settle it, NOT do harm, honestly.
I would accept your offer, and simply trust that you'll do me right on the compensation.
I understand you have no money, or that it is committed to providing for your family, I can relate.
If this is what you can do, and what you would do, and you are showing and making a true effort to help cue our wows, I can respect that in you, and appreciate it. It's professional and it shows class (thanks).
Please tell me, what 'type' of 'pair' would I be expecting? I'm going on the assumption you'll make whatever comes my way of reasonable and or equal value for the snakes/trouble, I guess I have to trust you again, right? I guess, can I at least know what the parents are of the babies I'd get? Then I will wait, and I'll drop you a line next month to touch base. Is this acceptable?
Also, at issue, what do I do with this Coral? It does not act as a normal snake should act and it needs to go. It is isolated but it needs to go. Do you want it?
Thanks so very very much for communicating with us, it truly does help to make us feel better. We have had this sick feeling in our guts for days now. Also, my daughter, the Coral was her buddy.....my daughter cried her @ss off last night, cried herself to sleep when I had to tell her the Coral had to go. The entire event, wow, cut deep Kevin. As stated, we are a good family, not looking for hand-outs......it has been mentally and emotionally tough, especially on my girls....so we DO appreciate your attention to the matter!
I'll await reply.
Thanks again~
Nick

--- On Wed, 5/11/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:


From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
To: "Nicholas Giavasis" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 2:57 PM

Nick,
I am not in a position to be refunding you money at this time. I am expecting litters in the next month or so and could provide you with a nice pair. This is what I am capable of providing you as a solution.
Sincerely,

Kevin South
The Constrictors Labrynth
www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com
Phone: 209-855-1229
7 days a week, 9am to 7pm-Pacific Time

 

[RobNJ]

Thanks for the e-mail correspondence Kevin...also glad to see that you stepped up and made the effort to amend any mistakes. More glad to see you put your foot down when it came to Nick's request for more animals. Cutting him off at this point is the only way to go.

Nick, not that it wasn't already obvious, but you need to straighten up. Very low, underhanded tactics are all you have in your arsenal. Try honesty, professionalism, and actually caring for the animals for once. Maybe you'll see how special they are and that they're not just a few $$ to be made here and there. Also love how you're looking for handouts and then telling Kevin that you're not. He had already made up for his end of the deal, and you're still expecting more? Please seriously consider taking up another hobby.

 

[Payara]

This i the email I got from show host:

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: One of your vendors might have IBD
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:19:41 -0700

Thank you for alerting me to this. I have read the VERY long thread and called Nick. He is having trouble opening the lab report and is getting it faxed to him.

I talked to him about his position at the show and what he is bringing. He has told me that for this show he will only bring the minerals, fossils and the crested geckos his daughter hatched out. He has strict quarantine ethics and is going to wait to bring any snakes until the next show.

Thank You
Lynn Kubic
Rocky Mountain Reptile Expo
www.rockymountainreptileexpo.com
720-685-9557
Fax 303-659-0489


Kevin, did Nick ever send you any proof at all of the dead snakes? Any pics?

 

[Lucille]

This i the email I got from show host:

From: [email protected]
He has strict quarantine ethics and is going to wait to bring any snakes until the next show.

If Lynn is basing the safety of her show and the critters in it on Nick's ethics, I am hoping she rethinks even letting him into the show hall at all.

 

[CART]

This i the email I got from show host:

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: One of your vendors might have IBD
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:19:41 -0700

Thank you for alerting me to this. I have read the VERY long thread and called Nick. He is having trouble opening the lab report and is getting it faxed to him.

I talked to him about his position at the show and what he is bringing. He has told me that for this show he will only bring the minerals, fossils and the crested geckos his daughter hatched out. He has strict quarantine ethics and is going to wait to bring any snakes until the next show.

Thank You
Lynn Kubic
Rocky Mountain Reptile Expo
www.rockymountainreptileexpo.com
720-685-9557
Fax 303-659-0489


Kevin, did Nick ever send you any proof at all of the dead snakes? Any pics?

No, ZERO proof has every been provided on any dead boas. When he claimed the Het Sharp died. He did ask if I wanted proof and I told him "No I trust his word". THAT WAS ALL BEFORE I LEARNED ABOUT HIM AND HIS WORD. I Googled him after the claim about the dead Het Sharp. By that time a couple of days had lapsed and I wrote it off as a lesson learned.

 

[Southern Wolf]

This is my FINAL EMAIL TO NICHOLAS GIAVASIS. I will waste no more energy or time on this FRAUD.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 1:34 pm
To: "Nicholas Giavasis" <[email protected]>

Nicholas,
Over the last couple of days. This whole situation has been eating at me like crazy. I have lost alot of sleep over your accusations and continues liable of my business, animals and name. Not because they are in ANYWAY TRUE OR ACCURATE, but because they were made at all. You CONTINUE TO THIS DAY TO MAKE THESE ACCUSATIONS.
I did Google your name and email address and WAS COMPLETELY DISGUSTED BY WHAT I FOUND AND READ.
I had full disclosure and provided current photos of all boas before the sale was closed. That showed you that none were sickly looking or showing any signs of illness (DRAINAGE or MUCUS of the noise). Once immediate concerns were expressed upon receipt. I offered a 60 GUARANTEE covering the health of the Het Sharp. Even though you WERE PROVIDED CLEAR PICTURES of the Coral. I provided a pair of PH Jungle VPI's with a value of $500 for FREE AND PAID SHIPPING. YOU HAVE RECEIVED A FULL REFUND AMOUNT FOR THE HET SHARP.
You have proven you are a liar, cheat, swindler, blackmailer, and thief. You have absolutely no morals or ethics and will stoop to the ABSOLUTE LOWEST level to benefit yourself. You have EMAILED ME telling me that the "supposed family man and small hobbyist" has received over 300 snakes in the past year.
It doesn't surprise me one bit if a reptile gets ill in your care. I honest can't even comment on that animal then going to a third parties care and being exposed to more, then you claiming it died.
You can post any "PROOF" you want. You know this is ALL FICTION AND YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD FOR SCREWING BUYERS AND SELLERS ALIKE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. You can threaten me with IBD claims all you want AND REMEMBER. I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO THROW THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC ALONG WITH YOUR BLACKMAIL THREATS, BECAUSE YOU AND I KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE.
Now as you threaten and i quote:
"If I need to come to you, we will be evening up, one way or another Kevin......let mw know how this needs to go down so we can get out of each others lives." Feel the need to come to Tracy, CA, well let just say I will leave that up to you.
I care for and raise my animals with love and respect. I am PROUDLY ANTICIPATING NEW LITTERS. I WILL NOT AND CANNOT SUBJECT ANY NEW ANIMAL TO YOUR GAMES OR CONDITIONS.
IF I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE BOAS FREE. YOU WILL PROBABLY TURN RIGHT AROUND AND CLAIM SICKNESS OR DEMAND MONEY OR MORE BOAS/REPTILES.
YES, YES, YES, I AM ABSOLUTELY RETRACTING MY WORD AND PROMISE ABOUT OFFERING YOU YET ANOTHER PAIR OF FREE BOAS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE NOT LIVED UP TO MY WORD AND I AM VERY VERY PROUD OF THIS DECISION.
This is the last bit of energy I will ever waste on you or this discussion again. If you feel it necessary to make further correspondence with me. You CAN EXPECT NO RESPONSE FROM ME.
Sincerely,

Kevin South
The Constrictors Labrynth
www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com
Phone: 209-855-1229
7 days a week, 9am to 7pm-Pacific Time


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
From: Nicholas Giavasis <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, May 11, 2011 2:21 pm
To: [email protected]

Kevin,
Listen Bud, I want to settle it, NOT do harm, honestly.
I would accept your offer, and simply trust that you'll do me right on the compensation.
I understand you have no money, or that it is committed to providing for your family, I can relate.
If this is what you can do, and what you would do, and you are showing and making a true effort to help cue our wows, I can respect that in you, and appreciate it. It's professional and it shows class (thanks).
Please tell me, what 'type' of 'pair' would I be expecting? I'm going on the assumption you'll make whatever comes my way of reasonable and or equal value for the snakes/trouble, I guess I have to trust you again, right? I guess, can I at least know what the parents are of the babies I'd get? Then I will wait, and I'll drop you a line next month to touch base. Is this acceptable?
Also, at issue, what do I do with this Coral? It does not act as a normal snake should act and it needs to go. It is isolated but it needs to go. Do you want it?
Thanks so very very much for communicating with us, it truly does help to make us feel better. We have had this sick feeling in our guts for days now. Also, my daughter, the Coral was her buddy.....my daughter cried her @ss off last night, cried herself to sleep when I had to tell her the Coral had to go. The entire event, wow, cut deep Kevin. As stated, we are a good family, not looking for hand-outs......it has been mentally and emotionally tough, especially on my girls....so we DO appreciate your attention to the matter!
I'll await reply.
Thanks again~
Nick

--- On Wed, 5/11/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:


From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: IBD, and you KNEW IT!
To: "Nicholas Giavasis" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 2:57 PM

Nick,
I am not in a position to be refunding you money at this time. I am expecting litters in the next month or so and could provide you with a nice pair. This is what I am capable of providing you as a solution.
Sincerely,

Kevin South
The Constrictors Labrynth
www.theconstrictorslabrynth.com
Phone: 209-855-1229
7 days a week, 9am to 7pm-Pacific Time

In reguards to the first part in Red.... what a way to be professional there Nick. If it wasn't for the fact that Rich is trying to clean up the place... Im sure there are alot of us that would tell you exactly what we thought.

In reguards to the second part in Red.... did you get that straight out of the scammers handbook. Looks like your trying to build confidence with your mark to me.

To Kevin.... If you want to see what Nick is really about... Just do a search here on Fauna. He tries to strong arm his sellers to do what he wants (your not the first), and he is also very disrespectful to his female sellers.

Dont let this guy get to you... and keep helping bring him down. If he sends you an email.... please post it.