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Hogg cross or ??

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Ok, this guy was sold to me as an "uncrossed" BCI pastel hypo, but the more and more I look at him, he looks to me like a hogg island cross! Which I guess isn't necessarily bad, but it muddies his blood a bit which is a downer.
Anywho, I'd love to get some more opinions. Cause I've pretty much convinced myself he is lol.
I have TONS of pics of him you can see through the link in my sig. if these aren't enough.

Thanks for your input! :)
 

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I don't see the Hog influence that you're seeing . How would this " muddy" it up ? Hypos are already a Panamanian/Colombian cross, so all Hypos are somewhat "muddy" -- unless you purchase one of the rare pure Colombian Hypos that Jeff Ronne has . I personally wouldn't breed a HypoHog back into Colombian stuff, but like I said, I don't see it in your Hypo.
 
So is it the tail pattern, or the speckling, that has you thinking it's a hog (with one g) island cross?
While I see some similarity in the tail, I agree with David...I don't see hog island. Pastels tend to have a reduction of black pigment anyway, so that look could just be the combination of pastel + hypo.
Either way, it's still "uncrossed" BCI...it just isn't a locality specific BCI (which, as David stated, it wasn't anyway; even before you convinced yourself)
 
+1 I dont see anything "Hog" Island either

hhmoore said:
So is it the tail pattern, or the speckling, that has you thinking it's a hog (with one g) island cross?
While I see some similarity in the tail, I agree with David...I don't see hog island. Pastels tend to have a reduction of black pigment anyway, so that look could just be the combination of pastel + hypo.
Either way, it's still "uncrossed" BCI...it just isn't a locality specific BCI (which, as David stated, it wasn't anyway; even before you convinced yourself)
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Morgans Boas said:
I don't see the Hog influence that you're seeing . How would this " muddy" it up ? Hypos are already a Panamanian/Colombian cross, so all Hypos are somewhat "muddy" -- unless you purchase one of the rare pure Colombian Hypos that Jeff Ronne has . I personally wouldn't breed a HypoHog back into Colombian stuff, but like I said, I don't see it in your Hypo.
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Oh, I didn't know that! I have read other posts that are always asking if it's a hog cross like it's a bad thing..I dunno. Thanks!
 
hhmoore said:
So is it the tail pattern, or the speckling, that has you thinking it's a hog (with one g) island cross?
While I see some similarity in the tail, I agree with David...I don't see hog island. Pastels tend to have a reduction of black pigment anyway, so that look could just be the combination of pastel + hypo.
Either way, it's still "uncrossed" BCI...it just isn't a locality specific BCI (which, as David stated, it wasn't anyway; even before you convinced yourself)
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OK thank you! And it was both his freckling and tail! He just has TONS of big freckling and that reduced tail pattern..an he's just so colorful! Thanks for the info. I did not know a lot and still don't about the hypo morph in columbian's so I probably just had too much time on my hands lol.
 
Elepheguttata007 said:
I have read other posts that are always asking if it's a hog cross like it's a bad thing
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That's because most people that are looking for hog island boas want pure ones - once they are mixed with other BCI (or anything else), they simply aren't hog island boas anymore
 
hhmoore said:
That's because most people that are looking for hog island boas want pure ones - once they are mixed with other BCI (or anything else), they simply aren't hog island boas anymore
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OH! I understand that..learn something new every day! :) Thanks.
 
and they are easily found for sale by folks that cant spell HOG
without two G's ;)

hhmoore said:
That's because most people that are looking for hog island boas want pure ones - once they are mixed with other BCI (or anything else), they simply aren't hog island boas anymore
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I could see where that boa would be questioned (the heavy orange tones in the tail) but I agree, it doesn't look like a cross to me either. I wonder if the hypo in it's history comes from the orange-tail line as opposed to the salmon line? Either way, nice snake.

Hog isle boas are thought to be extinct in the wild although I thought I remembered a few years ago a few were seenon the islands? (the natives normally kill them on sight) so that is why people work to keep hog lines pure.
 
AbsoluteApril said:
I could see where that boa would be questioned (the heavy orange tones in the tail) but I agree, it doesn't look like a cross to me either. I wonder if the hypo in it's history comes from the orange-tail line as opposed to the salmon line? Either way, nice snake.

Hog isle boas are thought to be extinct in the wild although I thought I remembered a few years ago a few were seenon the islands? (the natives normally kill them on sight) so that is why people work to keep hog lines pure.
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Oh wow, that's sad :( they're such beautiful snakes! And I do recall orange-tail being mentioned..
 
April, they're actually doing pretty well in the wild at the moment. It was never an issue with the native people that I knew of, they became very popular and were imported at a rate that wasn't sustainable. After Honduras cut out exportation and the Cayos de los Cochinos became a popular eco-tourism spot, the "Pink Boas" actually are a tourist attraction now. They had one on MTV a while back, lol.

Chris
 
JCCS said:
April, they're actually doing pretty well in the wild at the moment. It was never an issue with the native people that I knew of, they became very popular and were imported at a rate that wasn't sustainable. After Honduras cut out exportation and the Cayos de los Cochinos became a popular eco-tourism spot, the "Pink Boas" actually are a tourist attraction now. They had one on MTV a while back, lol.

Chris
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Very cool!
 
good to know, I thought I had heard they had been found again. I didn't realize they were sustainable and doing well, that's great news. The rumor about the natives I had read on a site that was well regarded but I haven't been able to track down the quote.
 
April, if I sounded like I was doubting the "natives" thing, it was a mistaken wording. I don't doubt it at all, I just hadn't heard about that. I believe they now know the true value of the animals on those islands.

Chris
 
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