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Bad Guy Adam Vordermark

Sorry for your loss. I say loss because I don't think you will see your money, unfortunately. This guy appears to not have all his crap together and hobbies seem to take all priority over responsibilties. I'm amazed he still has a girlfriend.
 
an afront to herpers.

Wow, where to start!? Courtney Roles has just recently dealt me a low blow, for lack of better terms. Ill start off by admitting to most of her claims. first and only really important claim being that I owe her money for some snakes that we made a deal on. Lets not forget the fact that I was told to "take my time paying her back and that as long as i paid her it wasnt too big a deal how long it took me." Im pretty sure when you tell someone that its ok to take your time that you arent really worried about getting the money right away. And yes it has been 8 months, and yet I didn't lose contact with her? Didn't try to hide from her? Didnt change my name and move to mexico? So im pretty sure you should have given a due date or at least made it look like you cared more earlier on in the deal. Dont tell someone that they can take their time when you dont mean it. As far as not being able to see my pics and posts well thats because I deleted courtney from my friends list after she threatened me. Didnt block her. I Kept it to where she could contact me but seeing as how she didnt view me as a friend anymore I figured there was no point in keeping her a friend on fb. AND as you can see Im posting a reply on here, SO if you think im trying to hide from you, get over yourself, its not like you cant msg me on my fb still, I never blocked you, just deleted you. And youd think if I randomly asked for her address that I was planning on sending her money! I even told her I was going to. Its not MY fault that the person I was trying to sell a gun to STOLE it and then got fired from our respective workplace. So I have no idea where he even is or if he still has the gun. I guess thats what i get for TRUSTING someone who didnt deserve it. Maybe courtney should have done the same and made sure she had money before she gave over the animals. NOW I am STILL PLANNING ON PAYING HER (and I will be fb messaging her this proposition) If and ONLY if she removes the pictures of my facebook from her complaint post. State that I owe you money for whatever and put out dates, Whatever. But that is the LOWEST thing I have ever seen someone do is post private images/information on a public forum. You take your problems out with the people you have problems with. I dont know about you, but us in the herp business dont rat out our own to the point where their ANIMALS are at risk! Lets post all sorts of info on a public forum so that the scheming backstabbing humane societies can find out where us people that keep "illegal animals" live and come try to confiscate them!!!!! That sounds SO SMART!!! We'll really sort out our problems and get our money then!!!! NO, if you keep my private information and PICTURE up on your post then YOU WILL NOT RECIEVE "one red cent" from me. And the result will probably be that the humane society finds me and confiscates MY and YOUR animals and GUESS WHAT THEY DO WITH REPTILES? THEY EUTHANIZE THEM. So if that happens as a result of your petty BS then You can forget about any payments whatsoever. And if you already have it set in your mind that Im not gonna pay you and you wont get any $$$ anyway, well then Fine I guess I dont need to pay you... Keep your damn post up but take off my pictures and private info.

And as for my newly acquired reptiles that you seem to know everything about? If you knew anything youd know that I go tthe 2 monitors from a guy by TRADING him an albino burm THAT I PRODUCED MYSELF. And those leos, save one, I got because someone didnt want them anymore? and the only reptile that i have actually purchased from anyone was a 20$ leopard gecko for my girlfriend. And the mangroves I wanted from sean? Yeah I was gonna buy a pair, WITH MONEY THAT MY INVESTOR WAS GIVING ME FOR THE PROJECT. SO! seeing as you know everything so well. I guess I dont have to explain myself.

And the guns- ahh another topic you know SO MUCH about. One gun was bought for me and the .40 cal. HASNT BEEN BOUGHT YET Its on my wishlist. I was asking OPINIONS. Did I get off fb and go buy a judge cuz lynne said to? NO. do i have a judge or a .40 cal??? NO or i woulda posted pics!!! You keep thinking you know everything, thats fine with me.

And seeing as we're quoting eachother ill throw one out.

quote- "I do wish you both the best, I hope that Shaili is doing well. I will hold off and give you more time, out of respect for your loss. Just keep in touch and let me know what's up. All my best to you both."

Uhm, were you planning on telling me how much more time i had before you went on here and slandered my name? Or are we playing the hypocrite?

And as for you haerpclassifieds- Kick me off if you want, but SHAME ON YOU for letting people post PRIVATE information like that on your site, what the hell is wrong with you?!?!? Did you NOT stop to think that this would risk the lives of the very animals we love? Way to go guys. Thanks for thinking of the reptiles first!!!

Im done with this bullshit! EVeryone who knows me Knows my character. and EVERYONE that lives in the real world knows that LIFE SUCKS SHIT HAPPENS. Take your losses and move on. If everyone that has been screwed in a deal or THINKS they have been screwed posted on this place or did something about it, the world would be a worse-off place, and NO ONE would be in business. So lastly, to wrap it up. Courtney- if you want your money, meet my conditions and remove all of my personal info. If you think youll never see your money again, then GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
And for everyone else reading this, either quit trying to look for drama to satisfy your own uneventful lives, or come hang out with me for awhile and talk to people who really know me and then judge me.

And herpclassifieds- if you do delete me or ban me or wtf ever, at least leave my post up so that EVERYONE can see my response. And if you delete it too, congratulations you're just another person trying to scheme others instead of run an honest website.
 
My girlfriends been right beside me through all the bullshit, she knows who i am. and that I try. just as hard as anybody else to live my life. So keep your judgement. Doesnt bother me.
 
HAHAHAHAHA Where to start ..

First off NOTHING GETS DELETED FROM THE BOI! so good luck with your "private info" being taken down

Second .. If you chose to keep animals illegally that is all your fault!

I wouldn't go around talking this community like you are an upstanding member of it especially after that last post.
 
Its cool buddy. I know I shouldnt keep illegals, but when its illegal to keep a boa and you have them, I doubt youd get rid of them just so you can abide by the law.
And You dont know me, so im not worried about your opinion.
 
Thanks for letting me know you are illegally keeping venoms. I would suggest paying her ASAP and quit with the ultimatums.

How long should you have to pay her? A dollar a day would have already taken care of this.

Lame.
 
Didnt say what I was keeping, Just said that If you had boas and it became illegal to own them you wouldnt let them go if you cared about them.

And im sorry I was trying to pay her off all in one go.
 
If you post something on Facebook, it is no longer private. It is out there on the internet. Checking a box marked "private" doesn't really make it so.
 
You are the reason i like the BOI so much! Buddy..Brother. You are none of those to me.

This thread is well deserved. You are not the first and unfortunately will not be the last person outed on this board for terrible transactions.

Cut your loses, pay what you owe and come out of this as a man who has learned a valuable lesson.
 
Since you have not made ANY attempt since Oct 2010
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As of June 11, 2011...I have received NO MORE than the $100 for the 4ft AP cage back in Oct. 2010. He still owes me $225
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This is all that matters right now. Make another thread about her activities. In this thread, you have not made one attempt to be honorable in this transaction.
 
Not even sure where to begin to try to untangle that nonsensical post, Adam.

BEFORE I even STARTED this BOI post, in MAY 2011, I WARNED YOU I was going to post here. I said it had been LONG enough. I mean 9months and I had heard from you 2x and BOTH AFTER I said something to you??

When you told me AFTER I contacted you in May 2011, what had befallen you and your g/f I sent you my condolences, and explained that it was FINE if you just made NOMINAL payments, and ALL I ASKED is that you just KEEP IN TOUCH WITH ME about what was going on and make SMALL PAYMENTS AS ORIGINALLY AGREED....
Court Roles
Well if you've got to, just send small payments. I agreed to accept that initially, cause I'm broke as a joke too. Like I said, I'm not being inflexible, but I do need to get this settled as soon as I can.
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I think that's pretty clear I was requesting you step up the payments, and specifying a demand of payment. So your excuse about thinking you had all the time in the world is ridiculous.

You then replied on May 2, 2011:
Adam Atra Vordermark
I understand. And will definitely have something sent out by friday or sooner
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Well, since I have not heard from you, and I was removed from your FL and then BLOCKED, I took the next step to warn others of how unethical you conduct your business.
I see you must have removed the block to send the latest PM instead of having a 3rd party forward it to me, This is from today (6-12-11):
4 minutes agoAdam Atra Vordermark
If you Still want your money then You need to delete All of my private info off of that forum or you will not recieve any of it. And if you think that I wont pay you either way and that I dont plan on it then fine, Ill give up planning on it. Go ahead and whine about the fact that I owe you money for whatever and put out dates, Whatever. But you need to remove my personal Info from that forum.
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A) You have NO RIGHT to put CONDITIONS on money you OWE ME for snakes YOU RECEIVED. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Your FACEBOOK profile where the pics were posted was public at one point. I am using what YOU have SHARED PUBLICLY to support MY claims YOU OWE ME $225 and are CLEARLY shirking your responsibilities. As far as my "whining about money" Uhh YEAH after 9 months of you owing me money and seeing you talk about purchases and gym memberships and what not, YEAH I'm gonna say something.

Be a man, Adam...Pay what you OWE, don't make pathetic excuses to get out of a debt. That's so immature and irresponsible.

B) I've pretty much accepted the fact you have NO intentions of paying me and NEVER did. At this point, I feel like even if I DON'T get my money or my snakes back, AT LEAST I can protect others who may be suckered into your LIES.

C) Are you SERIOUSLY trying to blame ME that YOU are keeping venomous snakes illegally???
First of all: I OBVIOUSLY wasn't AWARE of that when I delivered the snakes, or you wouldn't have them! THAT you can be CERTAIN of. I was under the IMPRESSION by YOU that you MOVED from KC for that reason!! I was only informed by a member of YOUR local herp society of YOUR illegal keeping.
Secondly, if you are SO concerned about the "animals' welfare", then make arrangements to give them to Sean next time he is in KC!!

Here's another suggestion: DON'T KEEP ILLEGALLY! AND DON'T FREEHANDLE YOUR COBRAS AND POST PICS OF IT ALL OVER YOUR FACEBOOK! DUH!
 
you are painfully naive if you really think things you put on a PUBLIC SITE like FACEBOOK are legally private. No one had to "hack" your facebook to get screenshots of your posts. I'm sure one of your other "friends" sent the screenshots to courtney. If your animals get confiscated (which they probably should), then you deserve it. As soon as you put things on that site, or really pretty much anywhere on the internet, it is no longer private. if she had come to your house and stole pictures/information, she would be in the wrong. people are TOLD to put up screen shots/emails/whatever other info they have on this site.

Oh.. and If you want to keep hots, then move to a different state... get a permit... at least keep them the correct way that doesn't risk your animals being taken away. And how stupid do you need to be to post that you have illegal animals on yet another PUBLIC SITE. not smart, dude.
 
Adam~I find your posts to be really sad. You owe her money. Pay it. She's given you so many chances. Just because she said take your time doesn't mean she is giving you a year to pay. Your excuses don't matter anymore.

I've unfortunately learned that you have to give specific dates on payments. I've told people to pay when they can and have ended up with animals for a year before they decide they can't pay or finally pay them off ( a few hundred dollars, not thousands). There are too many people out there that take advantage of nice people. I think you were very trusting and nice to give him the snakes without money and for giving him time to pay on such a small amount. I really hope you get your money.
 
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